diff --git a/book/2003-09.txt b/book/2003-09.txt index 3b02700..5f6545b 100644 --- a/book/2003-09.txt +++ b/book/2003-09.txt @@ -2660,7 +2660,7 @@ yes, close both LODO bugs -- t Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:00:58 +0200 From: Juergen Weiss To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: sockets +Subject: re: sockets 1. Cmu cl has native socket support as well. @@ -9406,7 +9406,7 @@ build. Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:27:47 +0200 From: Juergen Weiss To: David Mentre -Subject: RE: Re: upper/lower case issue +Subject: re: upper/lower case issue Cc: Bill Page Yes. With that little change to the makefile and the elimination diff --git a/book/2003-10.txt b/book/2003-10.txt index 3b2f6b3..7327f88 100644 --- a/book/2003-10.txt +++ b/book/2003-10.txt @@ -2238,7 +2238,7 @@ Bill Page. Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:18:39 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Mike Dewar -Subject: RE: Re: tutorial +Subject: re: tutorial Mike, Tim; @@ -13429,7 +13429,7 @@ OK, sounds like an executable. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:57 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +Subject: re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:04 PM Camm Maguire Camm Maguire wrote: diff --git a/book/2003-11.txt b/book/2003-11.txt index 3fbe0d9..26ad106 100644 --- a/book/2003-11.txt +++ b/book/2003-11.txt @@ -6911,7 +6911,7 @@ news://news.gmane.org:119/gmane.comp.mathematics.axiom.general Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:05:04 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Alexei Otboyev -Subject: RE: Re: axiom under cygwin +Subject: re: axiom under cygwin Alexei, diff --git a/book/2004-01.txt b/book/2004-01.txt index f4852bc..e9a5740 100644 --- a/book/2004-01.txt +++ b/book/2004-01.txt @@ -1700,7 +1700,7 @@ extending GCL to process source files in this manner. Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:39:10 +0100 From: Decian Tudor To: Camm Maguire, David Mentre -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom help needed +Subject: re: Axiom help needed Hi all, @@ -2547,7 +2547,7 @@ I'll look at your reference later this morning. Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:53:05 -0500 From: Bill Page To: David Mentre -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom help needed +Subject: re: Axiom help needed Tim and David; diff --git a/book/2004-04.txt b/book/2004-04.txt index 908e6bc..3e10f02 100644 --- a/book/2004-04.txt +++ b/book/2004-04.txt @@ -5114,7 +5114,7 @@ As for long computational tasks: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:48:28 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] gcl sockets +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] gcl sockets Cc: Bertfried Fauser Tim, diff --git a/book/2004-07.txt b/book/2004-07.txt index c2ee073..d801c2f 100644 --- a/book/2004-07.txt +++ b/book/2004-07.txt @@ -10277,7 +10277,7 @@ arranged at Eskimo.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:22:05 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Ed Pegg Jr -Subject: RE: Re: your mail +Subject: re: your mail Cc: Sam Dooley, Manuel Bronstein, Wen-Shin Lee, Dirk Eddelbuettel, Emil Volcheck On Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:01 PM Ed Pegg Jr wrote: diff --git a/book/2004-09.txt b/book/2004-09.txt index d29827a..446f741 100644 --- a/book/2004-09.txt +++ b/book/2004-09.txt @@ -116,8 +116,8 @@ make: *** [all] Error 3 \start Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:39:57 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: how to simplify exponents +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: how to simplify exponents Martin, @@ -426,7 +426,7 @@ solutions. \start Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:19:23 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: mathaction Cc: David Mentre @@ -584,7 +584,7 @@ http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ ?? \start Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:22:53 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre @@ -879,7 +879,7 @@ Congrats on the really impressive work you guys are doing! \start Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:31:26 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre @@ -1123,7 +1123,7 @@ Did I get something backwards, is there another solution? \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:52:42 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions @@ -1156,7 +1156,7 @@ I guess that is not your point. Can you be more precise here? \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:14:49 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions Ralf HEMMECKE writes: @@ -1207,7 +1207,7 @@ Thanks for replying that fast, \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:38:06 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions @@ -1265,7 +1265,7 @@ AXIOM, but rather what FRAC POLY INT is mathematically. \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:56:55 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions @@ -1328,7 +1328,7 @@ wondering if standard lisp, as a 'subset', will run on gcl much as the \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:12:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) -From: Arthur Norman +From: Arthur Norman To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre, Bill Page @@ -1412,7 +1412,7 @@ task, I'm willing to do my part. \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:03:24 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions Hi Ralf, @@ -1502,12 +1502,12 @@ Note that \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:33:52 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Norman'" +To: "'Arthur Norman'" Arthur Norman Subject: re: mathaction Cc: Camm Maguire, David Mentre On Friday, September 17, 2004 11:12 AM Arthur Norman -acn1@cam.ac.uk +Arthur Norman > ... > Note that some in the new Axiom world have declared use of > CCL to be one of the worst mistakes anybody ever made wrt @@ -2124,13 +2124,13 @@ Take care, \start Date: 22 Sep 2004 10:31:09 -0400 From: Camm Maguire -To: Arthur Norman +To: Arthur Norman Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre, Bill Page Greetings! -Arthur Norman writes: +Arthur Norman writes: > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Camm Maguire wrote: > > Greetings, all! The site looks great! I just have one request -- it @@ -3366,7 +3366,7 @@ You are flattering me... Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:26:45 -0400 From: Bill Page To: -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) On Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:59 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -3416,7 +3416,7 @@ permits we could then "weed" and reorganize it for longer term Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:13:54 +0000 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: Dear Bill, @@ -3480,8 +3480,8 @@ four times because the specific discussion page is changed. \start Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:51:37 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) On Friday, September 24, 2004 6:14 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -3638,7 +3638,7 @@ now for the time being. Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:30:49 +0000 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) Bill Page writes: @@ -6775,7 +6775,7 @@ the pamphlet style documentation, I suspect. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:24:32 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -6855,7 +6855,7 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:51:23 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -6903,7 +6903,7 @@ Yes. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:27:02 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -6966,7 +6966,7 @@ my mind of how to document in a structured way by using the ++ comments. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:38:24 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7043,7 +7043,7 @@ readable. Except example.spad.pamphlet, all files are read only. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:06:39 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7274,7 +7274,7 @@ True. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:31:36 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7362,7 +7362,7 @@ way computational science is done. Thanks, Bill. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:00:49 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7442,7 +7442,7 @@ papers that explain their algorithms. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:56:43 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: chicha@essi.fr, jcai3@uwo.ca @@ -7523,7 +7523,7 @@ would be desirable. Or can this be done already with AXIOM? \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:26:55 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7683,7 +7683,7 @@ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:18:06 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction -Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai , Ralf Hemmecke Martin Rubey [Martin Rubey] wrote: > Ralf HEMMECKE writes: @@ -8051,7 +8051,7 @@ have thought of the problem (or proposal) if you didn't raise it. So, thanks. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:46:06 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 10:24:32AM +0200, Ralf HEMMECKE wrote: @@ -8077,7 +8077,7 @@ it. The code is GPL'ed and I fully intend it to be available to all. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:29:00 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction diff --git a/book/2004-11.txt b/book/2004-11.txt index 7457770..08b031a 100644 --- a/book/2004-11.txt +++ b/book/2004-11.txt @@ -5787,7 +5787,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:14:26 -0500 From: Bill Page To: 'Camm Maguire' -Subject: RE: Re: sman +Subject: re: sman On Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:04 PM Camm Maguire wrote: diff --git a/book/2004-12.txt b/book/2004-12.txt index b92e1d2..17d6ec0 100644 --- a/book/2004-12.txt +++ b/book/2004-12.txt @@ -10089,7 +10089,7 @@ ago but I don't remember the exact issue. The build ought to work. Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:53:14 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Joris van der Hoeven -Subject: RE: Re: [Texmacs-dev] \left( and \right) conversions from LaTeX +Subject: re: [Texmacs-dev] \left( and \right) conversions from LaTeX Cc: Dan Martins, Bill Page This is the native windows version of Axiom where I see diff --git a/book/2005-01.txt b/book/2005-01.txt index 1839c26..91c213b 100644 --- a/book/2005-01.txt +++ b/book/2005-01.txt @@ -5328,7 +5328,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.83]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050107152704.BEXW1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:27:04 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:27:21 -0500 @@ -9919,7 +9919,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.138.138]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109024528.MPGH1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:45:28 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:45:46 -0500 @@ -11117,7 +11117,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.134]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109201428.RJOZ1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:14:28 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" , +To: Stephen Wilson, "'root'" Tim Daly Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. @@ -11202,7 +11202,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.168]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109210533.JQVM1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:05:33 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:05:53 -0500 @@ -11446,7 +11446,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.168]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109212354.LIVA2034.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:23:54 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" , +To: Vladimir Bondarenko, "'root'" Tim Daly Subject: RE: Re[2]: Issue tracker: Language selection Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:24:14 -0500 @@ -11881,7 +11881,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.182]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:23:00 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, - "'Stephen Wilson'" + Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:23:18 -0500 @@ -13001,7 +13001,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.18]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050110223706.DWZO1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:37:06 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" , +To: Stephen Wilson, "'root'" Tim Daly Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. @@ -13298,7 +13298,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([209.226.189.76]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050111003144.XJQP1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:31:44 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:32:02 -0500 @@ -18490,7 +18490,7 @@ Received: by CORPORATEEX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:01:58 -0500 From: Bill Page To: "'William Sit'" William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldor +Subject: re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldor returntypes Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:01:51 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -25150,7 +25150,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.177]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:07:16 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and +Subject: re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldorreturntypes Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:07:33 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" @@ -25257,7 +25257,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.177]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:00:09 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and +Subject: re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldorreturntypes Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:00:16 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" @@ -25651,7 +25651,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.191]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:09:44 -0500 From: Bill Page To: "'Bob McElrath'" -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:10:02 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -27162,8 +27162,8 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.148]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050114072714.VIRH19622.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:27:14 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:27:31 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -29442,8 +29442,8 @@ Received: from Asus ([209.226.189.67]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050114190810.PAAO1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:08:10 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:08:28 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -32523,8 +32523,8 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.178]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050115035844.UQPH1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:58:44 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:59:03 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -37237,7 +37237,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([64.228.8.73]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:14:04 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit, - "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" + Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: AXIOM for Windows: )copyright and )summary issue Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:14:23 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -38927,7 +38927,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.188]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050117151050.CPKL1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:10:50 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" +To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: Re[2]: AXIOM for Windows: )copyright and )summary issue Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:11:12 -0500 @@ -39047,7 +39047,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.188]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050117154344.DBNU1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:43:44 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:43:50 -0500 @@ -42184,7 +42184,7 @@ Received: by CORPORATEEX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:43:38 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:43:37 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -42410,7 +42410,7 @@ Received: by CORPORATEEX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:03:35 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:03:34 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -52794,7 +52794,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([64.228.8.82]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050119164846.QEAU1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:48:46 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" +To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: Literature on AXIOM's applications Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:49:06 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -56201,7 +56201,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.138.68]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050120170103.RCFG1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:01:03 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly, +To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly, Jason White Subject: RE: Graphics and Axiom (was Re: touchgraph, hypertex, hypergraph) @@ -59695,7 +59695,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.69]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050121152033.XQVV2026.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:20:33 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:20:55 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -64539,7 +64539,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.112]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050123194210.HHDV1919.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:42:10 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:42:34 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -75850,7 +75850,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([209.226.189.188]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050130191933.EJXX1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:19:33 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" +To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: MathAction: Typos at the entry page Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:19:32 -0500 charset="us-ascii" diff --git a/book/2005-02.txt b/book/2005-02.txt index ae01bc6..e12bed4 100644 --- a/book/2005-02.txt +++ b/book/2005-02.txt @@ -15759,7 +15759,7 @@ BPadb0Eo+ZWjVCGJWAmX9VQ= \start Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:27:42 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire Subject: Latest MacOS X issues...] diff --git a/book/2005-03.txt b/book/2005-03.txt index cb4789f..deb8e53 100644 --- a/book/2005-03.txt +++ b/book/2005-03.txt @@ -754,7 +754,7 @@ Subject: Re: run-process Greetings! -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -930,7 +930,7 @@ important enough for another point release on 2.6. \start Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:34:30 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Pablo De Napoli Subject: Re: problems compiling axiom from CVS @@ -968,7 +968,7 @@ Tim Daly \start Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:30:04 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: run-process @@ -1057,7 +1057,7 @@ CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -z9 -q -d:ext:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gcl \ Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -1418,7 +1418,7 @@ final link is via ld. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, Bill, > @@ -6713,7 +6713,7 @@ and we should probably remove these extra \. \start Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:11:29 -0500 From: Balbir Thomas -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: build failure on Debian Woody Solved -- Stray symbols in src/algebra/Makefile ! ?? Hi, @@ -7943,7 +7943,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom-developer domain name -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Well, considering that it appears to be useful I've registered the | axiom-developer.org domain name for the next 9 years. Looks like @@ -8490,7 +8490,7 @@ BTW, did you get my abstract? Is this still a go? Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -8532,7 +8532,7 @@ On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 08:53:30PM -0500, Camm Maguire wrote: > > Take care, > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > > Camm, > > @@ -9170,7 +9170,7 @@ Take care, > > > > Take care, > > -> > root Tim Daly writes: +> > Tim Daly writes: > > > > > Camm, > > > diff --git a/book/2005-04.txt b/book/2005-04.txt index de04474..051f3e4 100644 --- a/book/2005-04.txt +++ b/book/2005-04.txt @@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ atan(tan(3)) \start Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:10:44 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: April 2005 release @@ -560,7 +560,7 @@ responsible for the change. \start Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:46:46 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Sit Subject: Re: hyperdoc source links are often wrong @@ -573,7 +573,7 @@ Now the compiler is invoked on the individual domains in the file. \start Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:02:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Henry Lenzi Subject: Re: Axiom does not configure/build on OpenBSD Cc: Charles Miller @@ -6630,7 +6630,7 @@ issues are? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:37:57 +1000 From: Mike Thomas To: Camm Maguire, Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows Hi Camm/Bill @@ -7010,7 +7010,7 @@ performance and appearance. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:52:22 +1000 From: Mike Thomas To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows Hi Camm. diff --git a/book/2005-05.txt b/book/2005-05.txt index dec382e..cd228c2 100644 --- a/book/2005-05.txt +++ b/book/2005-05.txt @@ -4697,7 +4697,7 @@ Cc: Mike Thomas Greetings! -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Serious question about GCL, > @@ -4889,7 +4889,7 @@ Some correction about this incomprehensible e-mail. > > Greetings! > -> Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > Serious question about GCL, @@ -5230,7 +5230,7 @@ Cc: Mike Thomas Greetings! -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Hi, > @@ -5240,7 +5240,7 @@ Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > > Greetings! > > -> > Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > > > Serious question about GCL, > @@ -5533,7 +5533,7 @@ Hi, > > Greetings! > -> Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > Hi, > > @@ -5543,7 +5543,7 @@ Hi, > > > > > > Greetings! > > > -> > > Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > > Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > > > > > Serious question about GCL, > > @@ -6513,7 +6513,7 @@ and Quentin Carpent at http://la.riverotte.free.fr/axiom. Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:01:26 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Christophe Conil -Subject: RE: Re: about axiom documentation +Subject: re: about axiom documentation Cc: Francois Maltey, Frederic Lehobey, Quentin Carpent, Eric Bachard Christophe, @@ -7047,7 +7047,7 @@ Overwrite existing stylesheet with the new stylesheet file:: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:05:58 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction -Subject: RE: Re: about axiom documentation +Subject: re: about axiom documentation Christophe, diff --git a/book/2005-06.txt b/book/2005-06.txt index a3070c4..3056937 100644 --- a/book/2005-06.txt +++ b/book/2005-06.txt @@ -18171,7 +18171,7 @@ other XML concepts, in LaTeX ? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:55:58 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: RE: Re: converting sexps to XML +Subject: re: converting sexps to XML On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:49 AM Michel Lavaud wrote: @@ -20866,7 +20866,7 @@ asq -sh Integer Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:15:18 +0200 From: Michel Lavaud To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: converting sexps to XML +Subject: re: converting sexps to XML Hello Bill, diff --git a/book/2005-07.txt b/book/2005-07.txt index 4228e72..062f55c 100644 --- a/book/2005-07.txt +++ b/book/2005-07.txt @@ -7148,7 +7148,7 @@ But I haven't found GCL's source code Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:04:09 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Xin Li -Subject: RE: Re: about Windows version of AXIOM +Subject: re: about Windows version of AXIOM On Friday, July 22, 2005 2:36 PM Xin Li Xin Li wrote: diff --git a/book/2005-08.txt b/book/2005-08.txt index aeecceb..2f77788 100644 --- a/book/2005-08.txt +++ b/book/2005-08.txt @@ -8332,7 +8332,7 @@ SimplicialComplex(): Exports == Implementation where Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:54:02 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Peter, @@ -9912,7 +9912,7 @@ unifying domains with a common set of API. Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:19:25 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 03:54 -0400, Page, Bill wrote: > Peter, @@ -11868,7 +11868,7 @@ integrate(exp(x)/x^2,x) --> Ei(x)-exp(x)/x Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:51:26 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 17:48 -0400, Page, Bill wrote: > Peter, @@ -12120,7 +12120,7 @@ matcher does not know exp(x)/x^2 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:52:44 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Executive Summary: @@ -12350,7 +12350,7 @@ http://algocompsynth.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:16:53 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Peter, @@ -12546,7 +12546,7 @@ Subject: [AldorForAxiom] Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:09 +0200 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Le mercredi 24 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 19:19 +0100, Peter Broadbery a =E9crit : @@ -13487,7 +13487,7 @@ It appears that every single FC release is going to break lisp as new Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > GCL-2.6.7 fails to build on FC4. > I'm trying to debug it now but I thought I'd mention it in case @@ -16318,7 +16318,7 @@ root writes: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:44:59 +0200 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on Page, Bill writes: > On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16355,7 +16355,7 @@ with a price of 500$? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:31:01 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -16414,7 +16414,7 @@ their time to do this kind of work. Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:06:41 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:45 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16451,7 +16451,7 @@ How is it going? Anything else I can help with? :-) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:36:48 +0200 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on Page, Bill writes: > On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:45 AM Martin Rubey wrote: diff --git a/book/2005-10.txt b/book/2005-10.txt index afc2fff..4796b42 100644 --- a/book/2005-10.txt +++ b/book/2005-10.txt @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ produce an infinite loop. (In fact I think this is OK, I only did not have the time to check) \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Antoine Hersen'" Antoine Hersen Subject: RE: Master Thesis Subject Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:52:12 -0400 @@ -608,7 +608,7 @@ Yours, Michael Brickenstein \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:32:30 -0400 @@ -856,9 +856,9 @@ See also the Wikipedia article on "Strongly Typed" : . \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Jens_Axel_S=F8gaard'?=" Jens Axel Segaard -Subject: RE: Re: Openmath, Singular +Subject: re: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:02:47 -0400 On October 3, 2005 3:27 PM Jens Axel S=F8gaard wrote: @@ -920,7 +920,7 @@ programmers, 1 denotes the unit with respect to multiplication in some domain. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:38:08 -0400 @@ -981,7 +981,7 @@ typing of mathematical objects. I don't know of any other CAS which does this so consistently. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:31:53 -0400 @@ -1127,7 +1127,7 @@ Bill Page. > web site, or put a pointer there to wherever you have things stored. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 00:23:30 -0400 @@ -1226,7 +1226,7 @@ after apparently building a large part of the system? Who would you recommend I contact for help with this? \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Tim Daly'" Tim Daly Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:19:06 -0400 Subject: Axiom Lisp API for OpenMath @@ -1366,7 +1366,7 @@ with and without bounds: \start Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:29:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page Subject: ccl/src/cslbase/openmath.c @@ -4438,7 +4438,7 @@ Axiom a particular paper is relevant to. \start Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:19:05 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:24 AM C Y wrote: @@ -4644,7 +4644,7 @@ information, but not autogenerate it. Sorry for any confusion. \start Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:18:04 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:44 PM C Y wrote: @@ -4826,7 +4826,7 @@ every time a new bibtex entry is put into the repository. \start Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:59:32 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:46 PM C Y @@ -5977,7 +5977,7 @@ available in SOURCE form, not pdf, not dvi, etc. Only source allows you the ability to use the information in any way. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:20:35 -0400 Subject: PDF/A and pamphlet support on MathAction @@ -6579,7 +6579,7 @@ Axiom. Is the above a known issue? \start Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:44:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora @@ -6593,7 +6593,7 @@ command. \start Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:52:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora @@ -6609,8 +6609,8 @@ so you can try before trying the build and see if that fixes the problem. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:15:42 -0400 @@ -6660,7 +6660,7 @@ If you provide sufficient information I am sure that it will be possible to discouver what is going wrong. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey, Tim Daly Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:28:29 -0400 @@ -6714,7 +6714,7 @@ in TeXmacs? In what way is the current TeXmacs output not nicely formatted? \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:19 -0400 @@ -7170,7 +7170,7 @@ Thank you for any help. Renaud \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:08:33 -0400 @@ -7571,7 +7571,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CExW9I031668; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:59:41 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Yoriaki FUJIMORI'" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:59:16 -0400 charset="US-ASCII" @@ -8566,7 +8566,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9CMtDS23669; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:55:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:55:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Renaud.Rioboo@lip6.fr Subject: Re: Cylindrical Algebraic Decompostion for Axiom Cc: list @@ -9473,7 +9473,7 @@ Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) for list; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:48:34 -0400 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1EQ5Hk-0005V2-00; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:46:24 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom Lisp API for OpenMath From: Camm Maguire Date: 13 Oct 2005 11:46:24 -0400 @@ -9555,7 +9555,7 @@ setup_type const om_setup[] = { Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Tim, > @@ -9733,7 +9733,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9E4kGP24745; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:46:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:46:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Brian Kennedy Cc: list Subject: Building on Axiom... funding Axiom... @@ -10006,7 +10006,7 @@ Subject: Re: Building on Axiom... funding Axiom... To: Tim Daly, Brian Kennedy Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > > > > More specifically, is there interest in adding the following to > > Axiom: @@ -11742,8 +11742,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHD55C030969; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:13:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:13:03 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -11806,13 +11806,13 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHuBO8015903; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:56:28 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Eitan Gurari'" Eitan Gurari, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey + Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:56:09 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, Kai Kaminski, Davide P.Cervone, - 'Bill Page' , Bob McElrath + Bill Page , Bob McElrath Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath On October 15, 2005 11:14 AM Eitan Gurari wrote: @@ -12256,9 +12256,9 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9GKwPuk006391; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:58:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey + Martin Rubey Subject: RE: proxy error athttp://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:58:20 -0400 @@ -12388,7 +12388,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:51:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:48:56 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: RE: proxy error athttp://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage <006601c5d294$5d5f0bf0$6900a8c0@asus> @@ -12433,8 +12433,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HDw6A6027151; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:58:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:57:59 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' @@ -12504,7 +12504,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:46:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:44:06 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page <001501c5d322$ced4f9a0$6900a8c0@asus> Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: RE: MathAction again unaccessible... @@ -12558,7 +12558,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:46:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:43:43 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page <001501c5d322$ced4f9a0$6900a8c0@asus> Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: RE: MathAction again unaccessible... @@ -13145,8 +13145,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HGlbW7026266; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:47:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:47:30 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' @@ -14009,7 +14009,7 @@ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp To: Camm Maguire, list -Cc: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke, Peter Broadbery --- Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -14077,7 +14077,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IFdLYJ011501; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:39:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:39:11 -0400 @@ -14148,8 +14148,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IFjD7M022705; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:45:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp, "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -14251,14 +14251,14 @@ Received: (from gdr@localhost) by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j9IIPTCB019941; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:25:29 +0200 Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 18 Oct 2005 20:25:29 +0200 Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Peter Broadbery -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -15367,7 +15367,7 @@ Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) for list; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:25:24 -0400 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ES3dq-0004up-00; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:25:22 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Oct 2005 22:25:22 -0400 @@ -15375,7 +15375,7 @@ Cc: list, Peter Broadbery Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, what do you mean by "GCL lisp interface to flex and > bison"? These are external programs that produce "C" code. @@ -15936,7 +15936,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:04:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:02:26 +0200 -To: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp <20051015024201.52793.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17232.51049.47689.590835@seam101.local> @@ -16382,7 +16382,7 @@ Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXUw0qapUBSlMMpSHKW5oOWV1jULQACfQiA From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey, - "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner + Christian Aistleitner Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:02 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16670,7 +16670,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9JMVg603043; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:31:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:31:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: debugging information @@ -16824,7 +16824,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9K0OKE03080; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:24:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:24:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: debugging information @@ -16961,7 +16961,7 @@ Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > > Gee, that reminds me of our plans long ago to publish > > hardcopies of these volumes on www.lulu.com . @@ -17106,7 +17106,7 @@ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:54:31 -0400 Thread-Topic: debugging information Thread-Index: AcXVHfXG7FOS867XRZygtqAX1fJAWwAAF8bw From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:28 PM C Y wrote: @@ -18880,7 +18880,7 @@ Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp <4354C2B6.5050402@hemmecke.de> <17238.2978.228447.563424@seam101.local> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:19:35 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Peter Broadbery @@ -18935,7 +18935,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-74-203.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:56:29 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: list Hello, @@ -19047,7 +19047,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KF0Mn03721; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:00:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:00:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: online algebra files @@ -19114,7 +19114,7 @@ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:17:59 -0400 Thread-Topic: Ocaml, Coq, and ACL2 Thread-Index: AcXUtDtTDeTwTpKgSIKutHZZ6bSpCwA0ll/w From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: Camm Maguire, list Subject: Ocaml, Coq, and ACL2 @@ -19210,7 +19210,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:30:29 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctions2 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Dear Greg, @@ -19447,7 +19447,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctions2 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:10:55 +0200 charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Hi, @@ -19547,7 +19547,7 @@ Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:24:56 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: online algebra files Bill Page, list protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EXKGNeO8l0xGFBjy" @@ -20286,7 +20286,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KHjvC03821; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= on Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:10:55 +0200) @@ -20685,7 +20685,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KKPAB03891; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:25:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:25:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: re: tex4ht and jsmath @@ -20779,7 +20779,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KKfBp03908; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Cc: Eitan Gurari, list @@ -21129,7 +21129,7 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:42:40 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXUig6d2rzgoHvXRcKQh/BA0wAxIQAEWkgwAAbo2SA= -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Juergen Weiss To: FILETIME=[69FB7B70:01C5D625] @@ -21204,7 +21204,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LFuqLv018286; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:57:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:56:36 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -21256,7 +21256,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9LFtTe04906; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:55:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:55:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Cc: Camm Maguire, list @@ -21331,7 +21331,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9LG01E04910; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:00:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:00:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:18:42 +0200) Subject: Re: FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctions2 @@ -21404,7 +21404,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LHb8wp016975; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:36:52 -0400 @@ -21464,7 +21464,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9LHuDO04964; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:56:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:56:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp @@ -21507,8 +21507,8 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:07:53 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXWZhx2bKxctY/XRcGYzr22dEMgFgAAImHw -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Bill Page, FILETIME=[5B64D760:01C5D66A] Cc: @@ -21593,7 +21593,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9M1PGgI025620; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:25:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:24:59 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -21640,7 +21640,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9M1rf1u022497; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:54:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Weiss, Juergen'" Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:53:23 -0400 @@ -21743,8 +21743,8 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:31:35 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXWq39aA4FUoSsIT+KNqE9KxX27MAAVbwOw -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Bill Page FILETIME=[ED38A280:01C5D704] Cc: list @@ -21996,7 +21996,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9N0WL405523; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:32:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:32:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp from C Y on Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp @@ -22133,8 +22133,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9N2lW12004752; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:47:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:47:11 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -22892,7 +22892,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9NNRs713308; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:27:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:27:54 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: literate programming @@ -22959,8 +22959,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O0Tcxr013265; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:29:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:29:15 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -24297,7 +24297,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9PNbda15037; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:37:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:37:39 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: documentation @@ -24347,7 +24347,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9PNo3M15054; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:50:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:50:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: documentation @@ -24396,7 +24396,7 @@ Subject: Re: documentation To: Tim Daly, list Cc: ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > ok, people, we're clearly missing a trend here... > @@ -24482,7 +24482,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9Q37J515134; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:07:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:07:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp from C Y on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:37:38 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: documentation @@ -24533,7 +24533,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9Q3UHq15146; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:30:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:30:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: code@google.com Cc: list Subject: summer of code 2006 @@ -24592,12 +24592,12 @@ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:46:51 -0400 Thread-Topic: documentation Thread-Index: AcXZ1kchUqWoZoBaRu2+0gujqGUwtAAQ/Crg From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list On Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:38 PM C Y wrote: > -> --- root Tim Daly wrote: +> --- Tim Daly wrote: > > > > > the latest idea i've seen in documentation is movies. @@ -24677,7 +24677,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9QC4cP15557; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:04:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:04:38 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: documentation @@ -24995,7 +24995,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9R1OY415729; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:24:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:24:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: documentation @@ -25211,7 +25211,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9R37oS15760; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:07:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:07:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: fyi @@ -25539,7 +25539,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9RCpa116169; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:51:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:51:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey on 27 Oct 2005 12:58:26 +0200) Subject: Re: compile with Debian fails @@ -25830,7 +25830,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9RERY316217; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:28:02 +0200) Subject: Re: compile with Debian fails @@ -25973,7 +25973,7 @@ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:39:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: documentation Thread-Index: AcXa90bcgobZMbhvTIOYmyMwnkyI+wAIH+rQ From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list On Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:07 AM C Y wrote: @@ -26249,7 +26249,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9RNQVi16321; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:26:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:26:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:09:03 +0200) Subject: Re: another fix... @@ -26295,7 +26295,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9S5AIG16388; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:10:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:10:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: subtext and crystal? @@ -26346,7 +26346,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Oct 2005 10:03:04 +0200 Cc: list, Tim Daly -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Martin, > @@ -27534,7 +27534,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9UI8tI25262; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:08:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:08:55 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp from C Y on Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:27:40 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp? @@ -28463,7 +28463,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V18D925489; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:08:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:08:13 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: billclem@gmail.com Cc: list Subject: Axiom @@ -28524,7 +28524,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V2CY726577; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:12:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:12:34 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: MathAction (MathAction) Subject: Re: [#165 stream2.input] @@ -28628,7 +28628,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V2LIL26588; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:21:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:21:18 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: --patch46 @@ -28880,7 +28880,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V3ofU26663; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:50:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:50:41 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Balbir Thomas Balbir Thomas on Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:36:36 -0500) Subject: Re: 3D canvas for Tcl/Tk @@ -28910,7 +28910,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V4YWnI030984; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:34:48 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:34:27 -0500 @@ -28990,7 +28990,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V4XmE26712; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:48 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29025,7 +29025,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V4io5p015557; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:45:05 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:44:45 -0500 @@ -29107,7 +29107,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V4h5I26733; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:43:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:43:05 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29138,7 +29138,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V57q4K010583; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:08:07 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:07:46 -0500 @@ -29213,7 +29213,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V5Fd226758; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:15:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:15:39 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29250,7 +29250,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V64pbW019348; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:05:08 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:04:46 -0500 @@ -29489,7 +29489,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 31 Oct 2005 08:59:37 +0100 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > it's not far away. there are minor package issues but very little else. > once gcl becomes ansi i'll port it. @@ -29575,7 +29575,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9VBnso27170; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:49:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:49:54 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29627,7 +29627,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9VC5H627187; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:05:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:05:17 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey on 31 Oct 2005 08:59:37 +0100) Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp? @@ -29826,7 +29826,7 @@ Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) for list; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:04 -0500 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1EWagL-00075c-00; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:30:41 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: --patch46 From: Camm Maguire Date: 31 Oct 2005 09:30:41 -0500 @@ -29835,7 +29835,7 @@ Cc: list Greetings! And please excuse me -- this thread has slipped under the radar here. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > > The purpose of this macro is to distinguish the stack address > > > space. Addresses of local variables should return true, and @@ -30086,7 +30086,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFAoMH005812; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:11:07 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:10:43 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30172,8 +30172,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFEZuL002150; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:14:51 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Online source code no longer working? Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:14:28 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30270,7 +30270,7 @@ Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp? To: Tim Daly, Martin Rubey Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > yeah, it's coming eventually. i'm waiting for an ansi version of GCL > which is "in process". @@ -30437,7 +30437,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFktF2017927; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:47:13 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:46:48 -0500 @@ -30662,8 +30662,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VG4Nim031517; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:04:39 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: compile with Debian fails Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:04:17 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30736,8 +30736,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VG8ivR020262; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:08:56 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: ANSI Lisp? Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:08:38 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30948,8 +30948,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VHOg1O014181; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:25:01 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:24:35 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -31077,8 +31077,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VHjWJi019375; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:45:49 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:45:24 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -31130,8 +31130,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VHpVdR016329; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:51:47 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:51:23 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -31374,7 +31374,7 @@ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:01:11 +1000 Thread-Topic: RE: Boot vs. Lisp Thread-Index: AcXeQCP6dAaPoFLlQKqP6/CXMplsSQAHGyYQ From: Mike Thomas -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Cc: list Hi Bill. @@ -37718,7 +37718,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VLpmPS012338; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:52:06 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Mike Thomas'" Mike Thomas Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:51:40 -0500 @@ -37782,7 +37782,7 @@ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:11:47 +1000 Thread-Topic: RE: Boot vs. Lisp Thread-Index: AcXeZVzaSIDONydKSxeUMIv0pTFSSQAAd/lw From: Mike Thomas -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Cc: list Hi Bill. @@ -37849,7 +37849,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9VNMAL27362; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:22:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:22:10 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: compile with Debian fails @@ -38137,7 +38137,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id jA12xeZ01343; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:59:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:59:41 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: BAD tim diff --git a/book/2005-11.txt b/book/2005-11.txt index bf196a9..e00bfb8 100644 --- a/book/2005-11.txt +++ b/book/2005-11.txt @@ -897,7 +897,7 @@ Subject: Re: --patch46 Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -1210,7 +1210,7 @@ might be a while before a time window opens for me to look into this. Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -1279,7 +1279,7 @@ Subject: Re: BAD tim Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Tim, > @@ -3709,7 +3709,7 @@ To: Bill Page Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Cc: Mike Thomas -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Hello Mike, | @@ -3778,7 +3778,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page Subject: Re: StepThrough -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > According to the documentation: > @@ -4221,7 +4221,7 @@ on linux and windows with the same code. suggestions are welcome. \start Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:16:05 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Scott Morrison, Tim Daly Subject: Terms of Surrender (was: BAD tim) @@ -4642,7 +4642,7 @@ Dear Bill, Cliff, Clifford, are you still there? I'm not quite sure about your status now, are you interested in pursuing this project? -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > Float is -- although obviously different from the reals > > -- a *model* for them. So it would *not* have COUNTABLE. @@ -5116,7 +5116,7 @@ Axiom) required to bring it into being. 2) will hopefully supply me with the Axiom specific tools and knowledge needed to do this intelligently. -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > > Float is -- although obviously different from the reals > > > -- a *model* for them. So it would *not* have COUNTABLE. @@ -9486,7 +9486,7 @@ To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Subject: re: [fspace.spad] dvi file display -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Have any seen this error with any other source files? > @@ -18516,7 +18516,7 @@ remake: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:11:19 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom + High Energy Physics +Subject: re: Axiom + High Energy Physics On November 10, 2005 8:16 PM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -32880,7 +32880,7 @@ remake: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:48:05 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Francois Maltey -Subject: RE: Re: Problems compiling modified Spad file under debian +Subject: re: Problems compiling modified Spad file under debian Cc: Camm Maguire This looks to me like the Debian build of Axiom is a little broken @@ -32937,7 +32937,7 @@ patch-45 on RedHat 9. Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:19:57 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: allprose missing file +Subject: re: allprose missing file On November 23, 2005 1:34 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: @@ -33332,7 +33332,7 @@ has web access. Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:26:26 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Re: allprose missing file +Subject: re: allprose missing file On November 23, 2005 6:29 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: > ... @@ -33487,7 +33487,7 @@ Reply to this item at: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:52:39 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: allprose missing file +Subject: re: allprose missing file On November 23, 2005 11:49 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: > @@ -39406,7 +39406,7 @@ form of a pamphlet on MathAction. Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:30 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: article "standard" header/footer +Subject: re: article "standard" header/footer On Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:04 PM C Y wrote: >... diff --git a/book/2005-12.txt b/book/2005-12.txt index 94e5bdd..14c215c 100644 --- a/book/2005-12.txt +++ b/book/2005-12.txt @@ -1370,7 +1370,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:38:38 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp Cc: Jens Axel Segaard On December 5, 2005 4:01 AM William Sit wrote: @@ -1649,7 +1649,7 @@ Subject: [FrontPage] Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:17:26 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page, William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp Cc: Jens Axel Segaard --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -1855,7 +1855,7 @@ applications}, Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:44:42 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp William, @@ -2263,7 +2263,7 @@ no matter how big they are." Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:23:21 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp On December 6, 2005 1:11 AM William Sit wrote: > @@ -2728,7 +2728,7 @@ http://www.flownet.com/ron/packages.pdf Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:28:51 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp On Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:24 PM C Y wrote: > @@ -2803,7 +2803,7 @@ packages are used in Axiom. Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:47:39 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp On Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:14 PM Tim Daly wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -27423,7 +27423,7 @@ experience with this feature of Plone. Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:12:49 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Doyen +Subject: re: Doyen Cc: list, Alfredo Portes On Monday, December 19, 2005 11:14 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: diff --git a/book/2006-01.txt b/book/2006-01.txt index 420ae1d..bd519e8 100644 --- a/book/2006-01.txt +++ b/book/2006-01.txt @@ -3897,7 +3897,7 @@ www.algor.org is not responding. Does anyone know why? \start Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:57:24 +0100 -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski To: Tim Daly Subject: Patches for book--main--1 @@ -10670,7 +10670,7 @@ the software. > From: Bob McElrath [mailto:Bob McElrath] > Sent: January 19, 2006 1:34 PM > To: Bill Page -> Cc: 'Alfredo Portes'; list +> Cc: Alfredo Portes; list > Subject: Re: Error in Main Page > > @@ -10931,7 +10931,7 @@ Bill Page [Bill Page] wrote: > > From: Bob McElrath [mailto:Bob McElrath] > > Sent: January 19, 2006 1:34 PM > > To: Bill Page -> > Cc: 'Alfredo Portes'; list +> > Cc: Alfredo Portes; list > > Subject: Re: Error in Main Page > > > > diff --git a/book/2006-02.txt b/book/2006-02.txt index c980312..56b04d5 100644 --- a/book/2006-02.txt +++ b/book/2006-02.txt @@ -17494,7 +17494,7 @@ Great. Subject: RE: about Expression Integer Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:38:46 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "Francois Maltey" Francois Maltey +To: Francois Maltey On Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:11 PM Francois Maltey wrote: > @@ -18555,7 +18555,7 @@ attempts to use it during the function selection process. \start Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:58:19 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "William Sit" William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: 1/x x = 1 is a bug! William, @@ -19862,7 +19862,7 @@ The following is verbatim quote from Email by Bill Page: Subject: Re: 1/x x = 1 is a bug! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:58:19 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "William Sit" William Sit +To: William Sit CC: , Bill Page,Martin Rubey,Ralf Hemmecke, Francois Maltey William, diff --git a/book/2006-03.txt b/book/2006-03.txt index bfdb6e2..0e1fc84 100644 --- a/book/2006-03.txt +++ b/book/2006-03.txt @@ -4930,7 +4930,7 @@ sorry. Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:43:54 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: "Factoring" Expression Integer/simplifying powers (an example) +Subject: re: "Factoring" Expression Integer/simplifying powers (an example) On Monday, March 06, 2006 6:42 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -8383,7 +8383,7 @@ been lost (I just got email this week about it). I'm re-applying. Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:21:17 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures +Subject: re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures Cc: Stephen Watt On March 10, 2006 7:30 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -8886,7 +8886,7 @@ main(); Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:50:23 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures +Subject: re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures Cc: Stephen Watt On March 13, 2006 8:34 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -14352,7 +14352,7 @@ generate a .exe file if you need it. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:55:46 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Tim, @@ -14513,7 +14513,7 @@ to do your task. What could be easier? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:36:11 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Tim, @@ -14836,7 +14836,7 @@ nope. not yet. --t Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:18:18 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Ralf, @@ -15313,7 +15313,7 @@ it help to send the petition to NAG? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:38:54 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Camm, @@ -15588,7 +15588,7 @@ is still incomplete. Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:44:50 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Ralf, @@ -15924,7 +15924,7 @@ I suspect the meat must be the papers refered to as [1] [3] [4], [5], Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:54:24 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a On Friday, March 24, 2006 8:50 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -19607,7 +19607,7 @@ I'll bring it up with Bill who maintains that branch. --t Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:16:27 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a On March 29, 2006 5:09 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > diff --git a/book/2006-04.txt b/book/2006-04.txt index 654b299..4b364b1 100644 --- a/book/2006-04.txt +++ b/book/2006-04.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:50:50 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: #196 ')set functions compile on' @@ -1301,7 +1301,7 @@ testing patches). Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:19:08 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet +Subject: re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet On Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:56 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -12267,7 +12267,7 @@ http://code.google.com/soc/ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:25:46 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Simon Michael -Subject: RE: Re: Glossary +Subject: re: Glossary On April 14, 2006 5:12 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -12640,7 +12640,7 @@ On 04/16/2006 04:18 PM, anonymous wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:18:26 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: [#284 axiom crashes for a Graebner basis.] +Subject: re: [#284 axiom crashes for a Graebner basis.] Ralf, @@ -18899,7 +18899,7 @@ I can report a successful build for both GCL and Axiom. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:16:55 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: sourceforge cvs +Subject: re: sourceforge cvs On April 26, 2006 10:39 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > diff --git a/book/2006-07.txt b/book/2006-07.txt index cf312a0..cf57a35 100644 --- a/book/2006-07.txt +++ b/book/2006-07.txt @@ -412,7 +412,7 @@ l.15 \center{\includegraphics{ps/axiomFront.ps} \start Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:37:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: .svn recursive copying bug @@ -429,7 +429,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: .svn recursive copying bug -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | seems reasonable. | could you please do: @@ -443,7 +443,7 @@ entry the appropriate ChangeLog. \start Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:16:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet @@ -493,7 +493,7 @@ Ralf On 07/02/2006 10:13 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | seems reasonable. > | could you please do: @@ -511,7 +511,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet {\wc -> {\sl -- fixed in the next release --t @@ -14843,7 +14843,7 @@ look. \start Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:26 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Gaby, diff --git a/book/2006-08.txt b/book/2006-08.txt index 4b2646c..28ef791 100644 --- a/book/2006-08.txt +++ b/book/2006-08.txt @@ -567,7 +567,7 @@ before I point students to working on/with Axiom. \start Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:14:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Build-Improvements @@ -18345,7 +18345,7 @@ old GCL bits. Old GCL here means anything prior to GCL-2.6.7. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Old Lisp Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:04:25 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -19381,7 +19381,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Has anybody attempted to build Aldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:13:04 -0400 @@ -19659,7 +19659,7 @@ EcMMaFz0Quidcz2RHDKNdYw= \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Simon Michael'" Simon Michael +To: Simon Michael Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:29:47 -0400 @@ -19864,7 +19864,7 @@ t \start From: Bill Page To: "'Bob McElrath'" , - "'Simon Michael'" Simon Michael + Simon Michael Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:56:19 -0400 @@ -19970,11 +19970,11 @@ From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? - 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael, list + Simon Michael, list <00fb01c6bf44$dd19e160$6900a8c0@asus> protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga @@ -20054,7 +20054,7 @@ To: William Sit Subject: RE: Issues with documentation revisions Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:22:36 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 13, 2006 8:12 PM William Sit wrote: > @@ -20113,7 +20113,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:35:14 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 13, 2006 10:07 PM Bob McElrath wrote: > ... @@ -20346,7 +20346,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 05:02:50 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill Page writes: @@ -20462,7 +20462,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:14 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 13, 2006 11:03 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -20584,7 +20584,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted To: Bill Page Message-id: <44E00236.E0B47752@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill Page wrote: > @@ -20727,7 +20727,7 @@ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Issues with documentation revisions To: Bill Page, William Sit -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -20968,7 +20968,7 @@ Subject: Re: Issues with documentation revisions To: Bill Page Message-id: <44E027B0.55434AA@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill: @@ -21168,7 +21168,7 @@ To: William Sit Subject: RE: Issues with documentation revisions Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:50:05 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 14, 2006 3:35 AM William Sit wrote: > @@ -21456,7 +21456,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:34:28 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill Page writes: @@ -21600,7 +21600,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:00 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 14, 2006 11:34 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -21633,7 +21633,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: configure on MAC/FreeBSD Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:02 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -21716,7 +21716,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael >> | > Can we just have the documentations as part of the SVN >> | > repository? @@ -23456,7 +23456,7 @@ Martin \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: AldorForAxiom Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:57:27 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -27143,7 +27143,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis + Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:42:04 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org @@ -41125,7 +41125,7 @@ To: William Sit Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Curious behavior of Taylor series Cc: Igor Khavkine -"William Sit" William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > Igor Khavkine writes: > diff --git a/book/2006-09.txt b/book/2006-09.txt index dd2159f..f61cc30 100644 --- a/book/2006-09.txt +++ b/book/2006-09.txt @@ -3041,7 +3041,7 @@ project. But that's just me. Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:59:23 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Requiring LaTeX +Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX On September 1, 2006 6:33 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -4475,8 +4475,8 @@ Cc: list > -----Original Message----- -> From: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -> [mailto:gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis +> From: Gabriel Dos Reis +> [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: September 3, 2006 2:44 PM > To: Bill Page > Cc: list @@ -4556,8 +4556,8 @@ On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, Bill Page wrote: | | | > -----Original Message----- -| > From: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -| > [mailto:gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis +| > From: Gabriel Dos Reis +| > [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis | > Sent: September 3, 2006 2:44 PM | > To: Bill Page | > Cc: list @@ -5583,7 +5583,7 @@ Ralf, please could you check in the corrected versions? \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: SVN problems Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:56:55 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -7973,7 +7973,7 @@ On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:13:59 -0700, Tim Daly wrote: I am the same. Getting SAGE to build on OS X was much harder for me than even getting it to build on Cygwin. I'm forcing myself to learn OS X right now (by using it), partly since so many potential end users are -using it these days. By the way, Justin Walker (justin@mac.com) is often +using it these days. By the way, Justin Walker (Justin Walker) is often extremely helpful and sorting out compilation issues on OS X. Why do you need fink for building axiom? Probably you just need the latest @@ -8253,7 +8253,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:47:47 -0700 -To: "Justin C. Walker" , list +To: Justin Walker, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question From: "William Stein" William Stein @@ -8263,7 +8263,7 @@ From: "William Stein" William Stein <857239FD-2BBD-4016-AE75-3210061A8A9D@mac.com> Cc: SAGE SAGE Development -On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700, Justin C. Walker +On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700, Justin C. Walker Justin Walker wrote: > If you have a Mac, it "comes with". It is not installed by default, > but you can install it from the CD/DVD that came with your system. @@ -8304,7 +8304,7 @@ Axiom doesn't depend on packages you only get via fink. \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700 To: list @@ -8351,7 +8351,7 @@ You're not paying attention \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:05:05 -0700 To: SAGE Development @@ -8361,7 +8361,7 @@ Cc: list On Sep 5, 2006, at 21:47 , William Stein wrote: > On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700, Justin C. Walker -> wrote: +> Justin Walker wrote: >> If you have a Mac, it "comes with". It is not installed by default, >> but you can install it from the CD/DVD that came with your system. > @@ -8485,7 +8485,7 @@ Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question <200609060242.k862g9x12269@localhost.localdomain> <857239FD-2BBD-4016-AE75-3210061A8A9D@mac.com> -Cc: justin@mac.com, list, +Cc: Justin Walker, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net William, @@ -8528,7 +8528,7 @@ two days ago and I find it useful. \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:44:13 -0700 To: Tim Daly @@ -8591,7 +8591,7 @@ From: "William Stein" William Stein <200609060924.k869OQ312743@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:30:28 -0700 -Cc: justin@mac.com, list, +Cc: Justin Walker, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:24:26 -0700, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -8721,7 +8721,7 @@ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:44:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbRywvanwubnZDIQP+us0qJBmqnJgABxgKw From: Bill Page -To: "Justin C. Walker" +To: Justin Walker Cc: list, SAGE SAGE Development Subject: Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) @@ -8772,7 +8772,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:11:49 -0700 To: Bill Page Cc: list, @@ -9479,7 +9479,7 @@ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:09:35 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbR13pLYjUuT2fKQAm/FNilvsstWwAQLhog From: Bill Page -To: "Justin C. Walker" +To: Justin Walker Cc: waqar@opendarwin.org, Camm Maguire, William Stein, list Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9575,7 +9575,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com From: Waqar Malik Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:42:15 -0500 To: Bill Page -Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9611,7 +9611,7 @@ Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbSi9YxRpdTi1vATcyXiJ2CzK5BZQAA9IIg From: Bill Page To: "Waqar Malik" -Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9660,7 +9660,7 @@ Bill Page. \start To: list -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:26:02 +0200 Subject: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom @@ -9763,7 +9763,7 @@ Kai From: Waqar Malik Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:43:48 -0500 To: Bill Page -Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9859,7 +9859,7 @@ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:47:36 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) -Cc: justin@mac.com, waqar@opendarwin.org, Camm Maguire, William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, waqar@opendarwin.org, Camm Maguire, William Stein, wmalloc@gmail.com, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) @@ -9965,7 +9965,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:17:25 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom list protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8a48p4KKsB+A/3VY" @@ -10145,7 +10145,7 @@ Bill Page. To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom <200609071545.k87FjmU13729@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski of "Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:45:48 -0400") Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:42:46 +0200 Cc: list @@ -10196,11 +10196,11 @@ Kai \start To: list Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski 07 Sep 2006 17:26:02 +0200") Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:43:05 +0200 -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: > The solution is to separate the GUI from the Axiom core and make GUI > programming easier. The former is pretty easy, just get rid of the GUI @@ -10248,7 +10248,7 @@ Kai \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:55:25 -0700 To: Bill Page Cc: Camm Maguire, William Stein, @@ -10320,7 +10320,7 @@ t Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:59:15 +0200 To: list Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski "Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:17:25 -0700") Bob McElrath writes: @@ -10929,7 +10929,7 @@ Agreed. \start To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:48:12 +0200 message of "Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT)") Cc: list @@ -11064,14 +11064,14 @@ other than the implementation of the Axiom<->GUI protocol. \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:08:50 -0500 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -11241,14 +11241,14 @@ differences in number and kind of ports. Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Cc: list Hey Kai! We never seem to overlap on IRC, do we? ;-) Sorry about that - I need xchat to make a noise when someone sends a message to me. Hmm... ---- Kai Kaminski wrote: +--- Kai Kaminski wrote: > The tool doesn't change, only the GUI. Do you know any other > successful language that has a canonical GUI? Certainly not C/C++, @@ -11583,14 +11583,14 @@ Waldek Hebisch To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI <878xkvjpn1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:13:44 +0200 of "07 Sep 2006 17:08:50 -0500") Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > [...] > @@ -11669,7 +11669,7 @@ directory. Thanks! \start To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:55:58 +0200 Cc: list @@ -11680,7 +11680,7 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: > Hmm... :-) -> --- Kai Kaminski wrote: +> --- Kai Kaminski wrote: > >> The tool doesn't change, only the GUI. Do you know any other >> successful language that has a canonical GUI? Certainly not C/C++, @@ -11998,7 +11998,7 @@ Kai \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI From: Martin Rubey @@ -12007,7 +12007,7 @@ Cc: list Hi Kai! -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: Good to see you here! @@ -12056,7 +12056,7 @@ To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly Subject: RE: Build-improvements - noweb required? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:55:43 -0400 charset="US-ASCII" -Cc: list, 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch +Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Tim, did you change the password on the 'Axiom-testresults' email list? @@ -12175,7 +12175,7 @@ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:16:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Build-improvements - noweb required? -Cc: list, 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch +Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Bill Page wrote: @@ -12394,10 +12394,10 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Cc: list ---- Kai Kaminski wrote: +--- Kai Kaminski wrote: > > What we should expose to GUIs and how is probably somewhat > > separate from how the GUIs use that information. The > > latter is usually where most of the trouble comes in :-). @@ -12565,8 +12565,8 @@ Subject: Re: Build-improvements - noweb required? To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:13:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch, list, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, list, + Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Gaby, I have seen this same problem recently while trying @@ -16747,7 +16747,7 @@ t \start To: Bill Page Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:37:14 +0200 "Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:51:42 -0400") Cc: list @@ -17089,7 +17089,7 @@ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:37 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge Thread-Index: AcbWhZGKBn1rtUFzQVq2iQyZEMb5/AAEfupQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf, @@ -20021,7 +20021,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:19:59 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge Thread-Index: AcbXNI1a5D9Vw1muTXuBO4Z0XsZnMgACGNsg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list On September 13, 2006 9:01 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -20321,7 +20321,7 @@ CVSROOT should go away completely. \start From: =?us-ascii?Q?Vanuxem_Gregory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: "Kai Kaminski" , - "C Y" Cliff Yapp + Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: A Canonical Axiom GUI Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:09:02 +0200 charset="us-ascii" @@ -20356,7 +20356,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:11:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge Thread-Index: AcbXQm12hOdZPfM/T8m4BSerKsMjcgAACdPg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -20909,7 +20909,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:42 -0400 Thread-Topic: build-improvements and latex Thread-Index: AcbXV0Nf4Paxk/0zRW+JnrqSoVenFAAA5aNA From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +To: Waldek Hebisch Cc: list On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:08 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -21079,7 +21079,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:19 -0400 Thread-Topic: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) Thread-Index: AcbXXQ9qtWBPRtHKRxeGvh2TBbbxKgAAlvrw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Subject: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) @@ -22747,7 +22747,7 @@ Thread-Topic: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) Thread-Index: AcbXca0AP8jFbXCGTDmIDM4pl9fZZAAAQZyg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -23124,7 +23124,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:56:27 -0400 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Axiom (was: SVN on sourceforge) Thread-Index: AcbXsG6Nt65P+gRlQR6c7b6K9OiEdQAAFSOw From: Bill Page -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:46 PM Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -24094,7 +24094,7 @@ t \start To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:46:00 +0200 of "Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:19:22 -0400") Cc: list @@ -24124,12 +24124,12 @@ Kai To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:02:46 +0200 14 Sep 2006 15:46:00 +0200") Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: > Tim Daly writes: > @@ -24162,7 +24162,7 @@ Kai To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:06:37 +0200 14 Sep 2006 16:02:46 +0200") Cc: list @@ -25474,7 +25474,7 @@ On 09/14/2006 05:56 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:09 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'axiom-developer' @@ -25594,7 +25594,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:24:50 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'axiom-dev' @@ -26429,7 +26429,7 @@ t \start From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke + Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Fwd: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:59:03 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -28322,7 +28322,7 @@ To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:17:04 +0200 Reis's message of "15 Sep 2006 06:47:15 +0200") Cc: list @@ -28401,7 +28401,7 @@ Martin \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -28410,7 +28410,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 11:10:22 +0200 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | @@ -28511,7 +28511,7 @@ Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:54:36 +0200 Reis's message of "15 Sep 2006 11:10:22 +0200") Cc: list @@ -29120,7 +29120,7 @@ got it. working on it. --t \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -29131,7 +29131,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 14:15:59 +0200 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | @@ -29228,14 +29228,14 @@ Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:47:43 +0200 Reis's message of "15 Sep 2006 14:15:59 +0200") Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | @@ -29367,7 +29367,7 @@ t \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:05:15 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'axiom-dev' @@ -29533,7 +29533,7 @@ Martin \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -29546,7 +29546,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 16:50:36 +0200 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -29946,7 +29946,7 @@ Subject: RE: axiom.silver Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:45:47 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis + Gabriel Dos Reis Camm, @@ -30070,7 +30070,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:44:16 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -30110,7 +30110,7 @@ Bill Page \start Subject: [Fwd: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI] From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:48:35 +0200 Cc: list @@ -30142,12 +30142,12 @@ Greg P.S: I finally forwarded your mail to this list with some hesitations. -------- Message transf=E9r=E9 -------- -De: Kai Kaminski -=C0: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem +De: Kai Kaminski +=C0: Gregory Vanuxem Sujet: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:50:49 +0200 -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@nongnu.org @@ -30357,7 +30357,7 @@ Jay \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:19 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -31541,7 +31541,7 @@ mx038} pi=E8ce jointe message de courriel, "Undelivered Message" -------- Message transf=E9r=E9 -------- De: Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem -=C0: Kai Kaminski +=C0: Kai Kaminski Sujet: About gmx.de Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:38:18 +0200 @@ -31808,7 +31808,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:31 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -31839,7 +31839,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:06 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -33050,7 +33050,7 @@ I don't follow. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Papers on Indefinites Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:28:42 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -33097,11 +33097,11 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:44:44 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'William Sit' William Sit +Cc: list, William Sit On September 17, 2006 1:59 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -33313,7 +33313,7 @@ To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:46:00 +0200 -Cc: list, 'William Sit' William Sit +Cc: list, William Sit Bill Page writes: @@ -33682,7 +33682,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: LaTeX source of the Rosetta document? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:21 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -35569,7 +35569,7 @@ just the range with no independent variable. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:01:42 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -35808,7 +35808,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:15:49 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -35956,7 +35956,7 @@ Tim, for the group \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:54:45 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -36646,7 +36646,7 @@ Ralf \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: RE: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:03:54 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -36687,7 +36687,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:19:00 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -36831,7 +36831,7 @@ Yes. I just finished a new trial again with 49 and 50 at the same time. \start To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:06:38 +0200 of "Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:58:34 -0400") Cc: list @@ -36925,7 +36925,7 @@ Ralf \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:07 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -37278,7 +37278,7 @@ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:08 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbcKKY+1CfdAIBjR/O2FB5j09VemgAAjmNQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository @@ -37459,7 +37459,7 @@ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:47 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbcMD+N1b4jJ5V9So6sp/5b6CLRMgAAjHIg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository @@ -37780,7 +37780,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:44 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: Acbck4+rhykhny2lQZm9DF7fXL00PgAAJWGw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -37946,7 +37946,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:17 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: Acbckfw69eqKrUPGQcKcG5+sjO0aXgABZ29g From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository @@ -38118,7 +38118,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:24 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: AcbcnSt75A+VYix4SiqB3DuOhJ2m8wAA8VkQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -38267,7 +38267,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:08:57 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions <45111F9B.6010606@hemmecke.de> @@ -38303,7 +38303,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: Acbco+u3PgG4eSczTJek6/Aucix7oAAAShOw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -38493,7 +38493,7 @@ Greg \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:34 -0400 Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows @@ -38562,7 +38562,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page @@ -39835,14 +39835,14 @@ Ralf \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:00 -0400 Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Thread-Index: AcbdiIz+TH0hdlu1Q86QpoANvt4w0wAAsTQg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -39997,7 +39997,7 @@ To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions <4512AF2C.5070805@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:10:26 +0200 21 Sep 2006 17:26:36 +0200") Cc: list @@ -40976,14 +40976,14 @@ eX0KXGVuZHtkb2N1bWVudH0K \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:43 -0400 Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Thread-Index: Acbdkhy4TaNb+9p+RMuhhT6jRTW99wAAUpyA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -41070,7 +41070,7 @@ Bill Page. \start To: list -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:51:04 +0200 Subject: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET @@ -42943,8 +42943,8 @@ Greg \start From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page, - "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows + Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:12:26 +0200 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -42955,7 +42955,7 @@ Cc: list > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 21 septembre 2006 18:27 > =C0 : Ralf Hemmecke > Cc : Vanuxem Gr=E9gory; axiom-dev; Bill Page -> Objet : RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +> Objet : re: [build Axiom] updated Windows > buildinstructions > This is part of the communications interface between Axiom and @@ -43046,7 +43046,7 @@ Alfredo \start Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:10:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Cc: list @@ -43267,14 +43267,14 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:31:08 +0200 Gregory's message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:23:30 +0200") Cc: list -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@nongnu.org @@ -43302,7 +43302,7 @@ Kai \start To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:41:19 +0200 21 Sep 2006 22:10:50 +0200") Cc: list @@ -43783,7 +43783,7 @@ Greg \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:31:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Cc: list @@ -44287,7 +44287,7 @@ Bill Page. To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:18:39 +0200 22 Sep 2006 01:31:51 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44335,7 +44335,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:26:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44439,7 +44439,7 @@ To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> <4513AC5D.60500@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:34:57 +0200 22 Sep 2006 11:26:53 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44518,7 +44518,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:14:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44586,7 +44586,7 @@ Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> <4513AC5D.60500@hemmecke.de> <4513FDDC.2060608@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:18:49 +0200 22 Sep 2006 17:14:36 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44730,7 +44730,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:41:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44827,7 +44827,7 @@ Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4513AC5D.60500@hemmecke.de> <4513FDDC.2060608@hemmecke.de> <45141251.4080107@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:48:46 +0200 22 Sep 2006 18:41:53 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44927,7 +44927,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:11:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44980,9 +44980,9 @@ Ralf \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski +Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski message dated "Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:51:04 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:23:37 +0200 From: Frithjof Schulze @@ -44990,7 +44990,7 @@ Cc: list Hey, -Kai Kaminski wrote: +Kai Kaminski wrote: > > I've 'literated' VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET (the result is attached), which @@ -45030,7 +45030,7 @@ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET To: Frithjof Schulze, - Kai Kaminski + Kai Kaminski Cc: list --- Frithjof Schulze wrote: @@ -45119,14 +45119,14 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:54:09 +0200 23 Sep 2006 12:23:37 +0200") Cc: list Frithjof Schulze writes: -> Kai Kaminski wrote: +> Kai Kaminski wrote: >> >> I've 'literated' VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET (the result is attached), which >> contains compatibility/utility code. @@ -45190,7 +45190,7 @@ edit other pages. Any idea? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:03:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Frithjof Schulze -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski, list Subject: Pamphlet style (was: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET) @@ -45350,16 +45350,16 @@ Ralf \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski +Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski message dated "Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:54:09 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:32:09 +0200 From: Frithjof Schulze Cc: list -Kai Kaminski wrote: +Kai Kaminski wrote: > 1) Shouldn't mathematical symbols always be set in math mode, ie. 'the > field $F$' instead of 'the field F'? @@ -45406,7 +45406,7 @@ To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <7687.1159007017@localhost> <20525.1159018329@localhost> -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski, list Hi Frithjof, @@ -45524,7 +45524,7 @@ Comments: In-reply-to Ralf Hemmecke message dated "Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:57:30 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:26:04 +0200 From: Frithjof Schulze -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski, list Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -45759,7 +45759,7 @@ Frithjof \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:24:52 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -45909,7 +45909,7 @@ Alfredo \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:44:29 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -46404,9 +46404,9 @@ Juan M. Bello Rivas \start Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:24:49 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SPAD grammar and parsing -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +From: Christian Aistleitner <45158776.1090409@hemmecke.de> Cc: list @@ -46665,7 +46665,7 @@ To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <200609261506.k8QF6WO20583@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:35:00 +0200 of "Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:06:32 -0400") Cc: list @@ -46723,7 +46723,7 @@ Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4513FDDC.2060608@hemmecke.de> <200609261518.k8QFIT020599@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:43:40 +0200 of "Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:18:29 -0400") Cc: list @@ -47537,7 +47537,7 @@ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:45 -0400 Thread-Topic: plone Thread-Index: AcbiKrrrLeWs8TsxTgi6EvdePm//+AAEVNcg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: plone diff --git a/book/2006-10.txt b/book/2006-10.txt index 5275ebf..a65f764 100644 --- a/book/2006-10.txt +++ b/book/2006-10.txt @@ -1391,7 +1391,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: boottocl -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: [...] @@ -1439,7 +1439,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: Boot -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: [...] @@ -2461,7 +2461,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: boottocl -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | Actually compiling stuff is extremely fast ;-) -- compared to 1991 or so | on a sun sparc ipc with 8 or 32 MBytes of memory. There were some @@ -13155,7 +13155,7 @@ order (quite different than the current order). Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:30:12 +0200 From: Juergen Weiss To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs +Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs > Gernot Hueber writes: > @@ -13239,7 +13239,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | | @@ -15732,7 +15732,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey To: William Sit Subject: Re: One more integral to add to the tests, if not already there -"William Sit" William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) > Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -22419,7 +22419,7 @@ the version(s) of noweb distributed by Debian? > From: Waldek Hebisch [mailto:Waldek Hebisch] > Sent: October 22, 2006 11:01 AM > To: Bill Page -> Cc: list; 'Waldek Hebisch'; +> Cc: list; Waldek Hebisch; > 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl; Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; Reis' > Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > @@ -22759,7 +22759,7 @@ The underscore issue is a FAQ. > > From: Waldek Hebisch [mailto:Waldek Hebisch] > > Sent: October 22, 2006 11:01 AM > > To: Bill Page - > > Cc: list; 'Waldek Hebisch'; + > > Cc: list; Waldek Hebisch; > > 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl; Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; Reis' > > Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > > @@ -22855,7 +22855,7 @@ Bill Page. > Sent: October 22, 2006 6:38 PM > To: Bill Page > Cc: list; 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl; -> Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; 'Reis''; 'Waldek Hebisch' +> Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; 'Reis''; Waldek Hebisch > Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > > @@ -37454,7 +37454,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:45 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically Cc: Tom Hargreaves On Friday, October 27, 2006 9:52 AM Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -37891,7 +37891,7 @@ between build-improvements and silver. The job involves Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:01 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT +Subject: re: Patch for SPADEDIT On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:05 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -38674,7 +38674,7 @@ problems. Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:11 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically On Friday, October 27, 2006 1:28 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: diff --git a/book/2006-11.txt b/book/2006-11.txt index 61d546a..8682680 100644 --- a/book/2006-11.txt +++ b/book/2006-11.txt @@ -1345,7 +1345,7 @@ I never quite understood why readline needs to be replaced. Do you know? \start Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:05:52 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:49 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -2743,7 +2743,7 @@ automatically at compile-time. Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:48:31 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: sock_get_string_buf +Subject: re: sock_get_string_buf Cc: Camm Maguire On November 2, 2006 2:29 AM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2776,7 +2776,7 @@ From: Camm Maguire To: Humberto Zuazaga Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga writes: +Humberto Zuazaga writes: > Page, Bill wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:18 PM Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga wrote: @@ -11360,7 +11360,7 @@ Bill Page. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:17:25 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: ActiveAxiomDevelopers +Subject: re: ActiveAxiomDevelopers On November 5, 2006 6:57 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -30909,7 +30909,7 @@ it is very important. Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:15:04 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem, Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: SPAD and Aldor again +Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again On November 17, 2006 1:03 PM Vanuxem Gregory > @@ -31137,7 +31137,7 @@ I have fetched the file. Thanks. Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:46:37 +0100 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: SPAD and Aldor again +Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 =E0 13:15 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > On November 17, 2006 1:03 PM Vanuxem Gregory @@ -31296,7 +31296,7 @@ Just to make sure. Yes, I would like to have it undr SVN. I have a question: Do I legally have the right to do that? \start -Subject: RE: Re: SPAD and Aldor again +Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:11:41 +0100 @@ -56481,7 +56481,7 @@ could wait more before starting the mirror to Google again. Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:25:02 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Cc: Camm Maguire On Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:38 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: @@ -56509,7 +56509,7 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/src/interp/VmlispLisp Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:28:18 +0100 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Cc: Camm Maguire Le mercredi 29 novembre 2006 =E0 15:25 -0500, Page, Bill a =E9crit : @@ -56599,7 +56599,7 @@ InternalPrintPackage(): Exports == Implementation where Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:20:51 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Cc: Camm Maguire On Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:28 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: @@ -56891,7 +56891,7 @@ On November 29, 2006 8:28 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:27:11 +0100 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Le mercredi 29 novembre 2006 =E0 21:20 -0500, Page, Bill a =E9crit : @@ -57024,7 +57024,7 @@ CHANGELOG with ChangeLog and then claims I modified the file. Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:43:02 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) On November 30, 2006 1:27 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: > ... diff --git a/book/2006-12.txt b/book/2006-12.txt index 445f133..1cb20e2 100644 --- a/book/2006-12.txt +++ b/book/2006-12.txt @@ -353,7 +353,7 @@ Hi, Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:23:55 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstackok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstackok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 On December 1, 2006 11:51 AM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: @@ -735,12 +735,12 @@ Log: --- ChangeLog.build-improvements (revision 349) +++ ChangeLog.build-improvements (patch openpty-again level 1) @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@ -+2006-12-01 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-12-01 Humberto Zuazaga + + * configure.ac.pamphlet: incorporated suggested changes from: + http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00687.html + -+2006-11-29 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-11-29 Humberto Zuazaga + + * configure.ac.pamphlet: added tests for openpty, pty.h, + util.h and libutil @@ -847,7 +847,7 @@ Log: --- src/clef/ChangeLog.build-improvements (revision 349) +++ src/clef/ChangeLog.build-improvements (patch openpty-again level 1) @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ -+2006-11-29 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-11-29 Humberto Zuazaga + + * Makefile.pamphlet: add -lutil to clef link flags if needed + @@ -971,7 +971,7 @@ Log: --- src/sman/ChangeLog.build-improvements (revision 349) +++ src/sman/ChangeLog.build-improvements (patch openpty-again level 1) @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ -+2006-11-29 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-11-29 Humberto Zuazaga + + * Makefile.pamphlet: add -lutil to sman link flags if needed + @@ -5847,7 +5847,7 @@ What shell on Windows do you use to run ./configure? \start Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:29:06 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: Nag libraries > I have spent some thoughts in how Axiom can interface external (shared) @@ -6439,7 +6439,7 @@ for all of us anxious Axiom users! \start Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:02:12 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom/GCL on windows On Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:52 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -7997,7 +7997,7 @@ this problem. I'm not sure why it wasn't applied. Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:24:49 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails] gazonk again +Subject: re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails] gazonk again On Monday, December 18, 2006 11:33 PM Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -8151,7 +8151,7 @@ plays the same role as POLY, but in function space. Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:07:38 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails]gazonk again +Subject: re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails]gazonk again Cc: Camm Maguire On Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:30 AM Tim Daly wrote: diff --git a/book/2007-01.txt b/book/2007-01.txt index d902d12..ad0b328 100644 --- a/book/2007-01.txt +++ b/book/2007-01.txt @@ -2,9 +2,6 @@ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:27:18 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9q3b6uh8am.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel Subject: Re: version 107 of trunk >> I have seen your definitions of Partial and Generator before, but I am not @@ -32,14 +29,10 @@ session, one cannot simply step this generator in a form like Is there somebody knowing the internals of Axiom (and maybe Aldor) who could help to make such a "for" statement work? -Ralf - - - \start -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 02 Jan 2007 16:44:11 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: Conditional for inner functions in a package. @@ -97,17 +90,10 @@ result (sin %i) -- sin, I wait a cos expResult (sin x) -- sin : right expResult (sin %i) -- cos : right - - - \start Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:38:09 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9q3b6uh8am.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <459974EB.8000506@hemmecke.de> - <9qd55ye8ec.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel Subject: Re: version 107 of trunk On 01/01/2007 10:36 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -148,16 +134,11 @@ PkgA: with { } ---END aaa.as -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:31:21 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: Conditional for inner functions in a package. -Cc: list Hello Francois and Happy New Year to everyone. @@ -244,17 +225,11 @@ can do this. I hope I could help a little. -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:59:50 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom - interpreter +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter I have not been able to find any documentation about the use of "is" in the Axiom interpreter. For example: @@ -331,22 +306,14 @@ Does anyone know where I can find out how to use "is" in the interpreter? Where is this defined in the the interpreter source code? Is this operator also defined in the SPAD language? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom - interpreter -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +0100 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | I have not been able to find any documentation about the use | of "is" in the Axiom interpreter. For example: @@ -366,14 +333,10 @@ at the parsing function npMatch in src/interp/cparse.boot. \start -Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in - Axiom interpreter -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:10:05 +0100 -Cc: list - -Le mardi 02 janvier 2007 =E0 21:59 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter [...] @@ -386,27 +349,21 @@ What you are looking for can be found in i-spec1.boot and i-spec2.boot This is where the function "upis" is called . See the function bottomUp and more precisely the line that contains: -(fn:=3D GET(opName,"up")) and (u:=3D FUNCALL(fn, t)) =3D> u +(fn:= GET(opName,"up")) and (u:= FUNCALL(fn, t)) => u Greg PS: Don't ask me how to use "is" in the interpreter, I don't know :-). - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom - interpreter - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 Jan 2007 19:02:20 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| Bill Page writes: | | | I have not been able to find any documentation about the use | | of "is" in the Axiom interpreter. For example: @@ -425,13 +382,9 @@ In fact, "is" and "isnt" are also implemented by the interpreter and the old SPAD compiler. See src/interp/parini.boot and src/interp/property.lisp. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:17:42 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: How to do generic sum using aldor? @@ -465,17 +418,11 @@ this happens on debian stable, Axiom+Aldor from April 2006, (axiom-aldor-20060621.tgz as available on axiom-developer.org). I was wondering how to implement a "generic" sumlist function. -thanks -Franz - - - \start Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:39:50 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? -Cc: list You should have read previous posts. Axiom does not understand "extend". @@ -498,15 +445,10 @@ SumPackage(R: Ring): with { } ---END sumlist.as -Have fun -Ralf - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:35:54 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Complex argument Current version of complex argument (in gaussian.spad.pamphlet) is @@ -571,16 +513,10 @@ diff -u wh-sandbox2.bb/src/algebra/gaussian.spad.pamphlet wh-sandbox2/src/algebr --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:47:29 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Zero divisors in Expression Integer I have already written that due to incomplte simplification we @@ -614,18 +550,11 @@ BTW, a similar looking constant expression throws an error: >> Error detected within library code: univariate: denominator is 0 mod p --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -To: Waldek Hebisch,list Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:31:13 -0500 -Cc: +From: William Sit +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:47:29 +0100 (CET) Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -677,19 +606,12 @@ to test zero. Another is denesting of a nested radical expression. These problems have been studied by Zippel, Landau, Tulone et al, Carette and others. -William - - - - - - \start +Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:34:55 +0100 From: Gernot Hueber To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? -Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:34:55 +0100 -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner You also can use reduce. E.g. reduce(+, [1,2,3]) @@ -717,28 +639,13 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: > } > } > ---END sumlist.as -> -> Have fun -> Ralf -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:42:15 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - <20070104073455.86643.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner On 01/04/2007 08:34 AM, Gernot Hueber wrote: > You also can use reduce. E.g. reduce(+, [1,2,3]) @@ -765,17 +672,11 @@ reduce: ((S,S)->S,%,S) -> S ++ For example, \axiom{reduce(+,u,0)} returns the ++ sum of the elements of u. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:57:58 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -812,21 +713,17 @@ BoundedFiniteDataStructureType ? Then SumPackage(L:BoundedFiniteDataStructureType,R:AdditiveType) with essentially the same code would do just any possible case. -Franz - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:04:14 +0100 +From: Christian Aistleitner To: list -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> Subject: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 Dear list, I installed the binary Axiom+Aldor package from -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=3D/public/axiom-aldor-2006062= -1.tgz&it=3DAxiom+with+Aldor+binary +http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=/public/axiom-aldor-2006062= +1.tgz&it=Axiom+with+Aldor+binary according to the instructions on http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries on my gentoo amd64 system. @@ -835,20 +732,18 @@ Compiling the following short snippet (as test.as) #include "axiom" -f():OutputForm =3D=3D { +f():OutputForm == { import from Integer; outputForm 1; } -within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after = - +within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after compilation, I get >> System error: Unknown bfd format -. How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from within Axiom = - +. How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from within Axiom using the Aldor compiler? @@ -856,26 +751,22 @@ using the Aldor compiler? Let me now give you more details about the setup: -I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the appropriate= - = - +I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the appropriate 32bit libraries installed on my system: ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom ldd /home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/AXIOMsys - linux-gate.so.1 =3D> (0xffffe000) - libm.so.6 =3D> /lib32/libm.so.6 (0xf7ec5000) - libgmp.so.3 =3D> /lib32/libgmp.so.3 (0xf7e90000) - libreadline.so.4 =3D> /emul/linux/x86/lib/libreadline.so.4 = - + linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) + libm.so.6 => /lib32/libm.so.6 (0xf7ec5000) + libgmp.so.3 => /lib32/libgmp.so.3 (0xf7e90000) + libreadline.so.4 => /emul/linux/x86/lib/libreadline.so.4 (0xf7e64000) - libncurses.so.5 =3D> /emul/linux/x86/lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xf7e= -23000) - libc.so.6 =3D> /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7cfa000) + libncurses.so.5 => /emul/linux/x86/lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xf7e23000) + libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7cfa000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f0e000) - libgpm.so.1 =3D> /emul/linux/x86/lib/libgpm.so.1 (0xf7cf4000) + libgpm.so.1 => /emul/linux/x86/lib/libgpm.so.1 (0xf7cf4000) . @@ -886,22 +777,22 @@ and the setup followed the instruction on the web page mentioned above ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export AXIOM=3D/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/axiom/mnt/linux +export AXIOM=/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/axiom/mnt/linux ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export ALDORROOT=3D/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/aldor/linux/1.0.2 +export ALDORROOT=/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/aldor/linux/1.0.2 ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export PATH=3D$ALDORROOT/bin:$PATH +export PATH=$ALDORROOT/bin:$PATH ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer @@ -909,7 +800,7 @@ cwd: ~/axiom cat test.as #include "axiom" -f():OutputForm =3D=3D { +f():OutputForm == { import from Integer; outputForm 1; } @@ -936,8 +827,7 @@ AXIOMsys (1) -> )co test.as Compiling AXIOM source code from file test.as using AXIOM-XL compiler and options --O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y = - +-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra Use the system command )set compiler args to change these options. @@ -972,19 +862,11 @@ $AXIOM/algebra environment and return to the operating system: y -Kind regards, -Christian Aistleitner - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:36:15 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list > I read the excellent aldor user's guide and neglected the fact, that > it is written for the standalone version of aldor rather than the axiom @@ -1054,19 +936,11 @@ I don't know of any "Bounded..." category in Axiom. Yep. But sorry to say: Axiom is weak in that respect (at least to my knowledge). -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:06:07 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - - <459CF4BF.1060202@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -1110,15 +984,11 @@ compiler? I rather would like the for loop but do not know where to import it from. greping the source files is not really helpful in this case ... -Franz - - - \start -Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -To: list Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:46:56 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer William wrote: > Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -1308,42 +1178,33 @@ and a different one for numeric computations breaks one of fundamental expectations (namely, that evaluating functions at a point is a homomorphizm). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: RE: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:00:42 -0500 -Thread-Topic: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -Thread-Index: Accv+IBRNIGbkjR1RGOb7yWhqs/feQAFc3Yg From: Bill Page -To: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> -Cc: list +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: RE: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 On Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:04 AM Christian Aistleitner wrote: ->=20 +> > I installed the binary Axiom+Aldor package from -> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=3D/public/axiom-aldor --20060621.tgz&it=3DAxiom+with+Aldor+binary +> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=/public/axiom-aldor +-20060621.tgz&it=Axiom+with+Aldor+binary > according to the instructions on > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries > on my gentoo amd64 system. ->=20 +> > Compiling the following short snippet (as test.as) ->=20 +> > #include "axiom" ->=20 -> f():OutputForm =3D=3D { +> +> f():OutputForm == { > import from Integer; > outputForm 1; > } ->=20 -> within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after =20 +> +> within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after > compilation, I get ->=20 +> > >> System error: > Unknown bfd format > @@ -1352,10 +1213,10 @@ My guess is that the version of gcl from which Axiom+Aldor was produced does not specify the appropriate gcc option (-m32 ?) to ensure that the object file that is created from the Aldor lisp output can be linked with the Axiom+Aldor binary. -=20 -> How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from=20 + +> How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from > within Axiom using the Aldor compiler? ->=20 +> I run Axiom with Aldor on my AMD64 system but I have compiled both Axiom and Aldor from source on this system. If you absolutely @@ -1373,12 +1234,12 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom to link Axiom with Aldor. ->=20 +> > Let me now give you more details about the setup: ->=20 -> I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the=20 +> +> I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the > appropriate 32bit libraries installed on my system: ->=20 +> Probably when the lisp generated by Aldor inside Axiom+Aldor is compiled to object code, the object code defaults to a 64-bit @@ -1387,21 +1248,11 @@ system. It might be possible to get around this by specifying different options for the compile. But I think you would be happier running both Axiom and Aldor in full 64-bit mode. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:10:38 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - - <459CF4BF.1060202@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list >> Since you want to work with Axiom, I guess you are right here. > well, there is also axiom-math and axiom-mail ... anyways the people who @@ -1507,18 +1358,10 @@ while not empty? ll repeat { ll := rest ll; } -Hope that helps - -Ralf - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:59:04 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Complex argument and mapleok I have checked the impact of commplex argument patch on mapleok. @@ -1540,16 +1383,10 @@ are: Also, the results look too complicated (at least in some cases I know that there is simpler answer). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:05:33 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: executables under lib? Hello, @@ -1573,31 +1410,28 @@ execute: Success /bin/sh: line 1: exec: /zvol/axiom/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/viewman: cannot execute: Success - - - \start +Date: 05 Jan 2007 18:05:53 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: list Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 05 Jan 2007 18:05:53 +0100 Waldek Hebisch writes: -[....]=20 +[....] > There is an extra difficulty: traditional numerical definitions > of elementary functions have branch cuts. Branch cuts means > that we no longer have analytic functions and we may get > zero divisors even if algebraic approach would produce unique > answer. -=20 + > Branch cuts turn decidable problem into undecidable one: -=20 + > I am not sure how well we want to support branch cuts. I belive > that in most practical cases functions are analytic, for example > sqrt(exp(%i*x)) is just exp(%i*x/2) (while branch cut interpretation -> would produce artifical discontinuities). =20 +> would produce artifical discontinuities). > In other work "correctly" > handling branch cuts means solving hard problem giving result @@ -1615,50 +1449,43 @@ I try to use and to teach almost(?) the same mathematics with a pencil and with a computer algebra system to my students. A lot of formula about sqrt are right because there are the usual -branch cuts. Without theses branch cuts I fear we can write=20 --1 =3D 1^(1/2) =3D 1 and the equal isn't so associative. +branch cuts. Without theses branch cuts I fear we can write +-1 = 1^(1/2) = 1 and the equal isn't so associative. I think the map notion has priority over branch cut. -For real numbers sqrt (x^2) =3D abs x is an universal equality=20 -because sqrt is a map.=20 +For real numbers sqrt (x^2) = abs x is an universal equality +because sqrt is a map. -When we prefer to write sqrt (x^2) =3D x we loose the common sens of=20 +When we prefer to write sqrt (x^2) = x we loose the common sens of mathematics and all the map abilities. -I give this exercice to my students.=20 -Solve in x for a real number a the equation a (a-1) x =3D a +I give this exercice to my students. +Solve in x for a real number a the equation a (a-1) x = a (or an other equation as this one) -With an algebra point of view we get x =3D 1/(a-1). +With an algebra point of view we get x = 1/(a-1). -Standard mathematics prefers : a=3D0 =3D> every x is solution. - a=3D1 =3D> there is no solution - =3D> x =3D 1 / (a-1) +Standard mathematics prefers : a=0 => every x is solution. + a=1 => there is no solution + => x = 1 / (a-1) -0/0 is undefined, even in a/a when a=3D0 +0/0 is undefined, even in a/a when a=0 I prefer a CAS which respect (almost) all mathematics by default. -When the question is undecidable or isn't coded an option=20 -as << NoPole >> prevents the user to be prudent.=20 +When the question is undecidable or isn't coded an option +as << NoPole >> prevents the user to be prudent. The topic of the #285 bug is almost the same. -In the elemntry package I test I only simplify by default exp (log z) =3D= - z,=20 -not log (exp z) =3D z.=20 +In the elemntry package I test I only simplify by default exp (log z) = z, +not log (exp z) = z. But in a rewrite? package I'll add a rewrite rule as rewrite (log (exp z), logExp) which gives z. -Fran=E7ois. - - - \start Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:32:22 -0500 From: William Sit To: list -Message-id: <459E99B6.E415C94A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch The following may be contraversial but their experience may @@ -1678,18 +1505,11 @@ developers have deliberately slowed down their work. Full article: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html -William - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: William Sit, -Subject: RE: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:19:56 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit +Subject: RE: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch On January 5, 2007 1:32 PM William Sit wrote: > @@ -1715,19 +1535,10 @@ donations, which seem to arrive at the rate of about $50 every 6 months or so ... So it seems that we can only "wish" that we had the problems the Debian has. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:38:09 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <459F43D1.2020104@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: MathML package Below is a package for producing presentation MathML. It's my first attempt @@ -2348,18 +2159,11 @@ should handle floats op := formatMml(first l,minPrec) formatFunction(op,args,prec) - - - - \start Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:45:09 -0500 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch To: Bill Page -Message-id: <459F4575.CD2C0E8D@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch Bill Page wrote: @@ -2378,17 +2182,11 @@ amount (at least $100k), we can at least support some graduate students. But from your report, that seems hopeless, and fund-raising is also a very time-consuming endeavor. -William - - - - \start Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:25:18 +0100 +From: Christian Aistleitner To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> -Cc: list Hello, @@ -2471,18 +2269,11 @@ So obviously, at step 5 of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom I chose the wrong sources. Would the golden one be the correct one then? -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:21:54 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Christian Aistleitner <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 - -Cc: list Hallo Christian, @@ -2501,11 +2292,11 @@ I cannot help with all, but maybe with some of the problems. >> produced does not specify the appropriate gcc option (-m32 ?) to >> ensure that the object file that is created from the Aldor lisp >> output can be linked with the Axiom+Aldor binary. ->=20 -> oh, besides the aldor compiler, axiom also uses gcl to compile aldor=20 +> +> oh, besides the aldor compiler, axiom also uses gcl to compile aldor > sources? -Aldor is only called to produce .ao, .asy, and .lsp files. Axiom starts=20 +Aldor is only called to produce .ao, .asy, and .lsp files. Axiom starts gcl in a second pass to make an .o file out of .lsp. [...] @@ -2515,25 +2306,19 @@ gcl in a second pass to make an .o file out of .lsp. >> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom >> >> to link Axiom with Aldor. ->=20 -> I tried to follow that guide, but ran into trouble already at step 5=20 -> =E2=80=9CUpdate your axiom source code to patch 44=E2=80=9D, as for a f= -resh install, of=20 -> course I could not =E2=80=9Ctla update=E2=80=9D. I tried with the silve= -r sources=20 -> instead. Building axiom aborted, and make complained about denied=20 +> +> I tried to follow that guide, but ran into trouble already at step 5 +> =E2=80=9CUpdate your axiom source code to patch 44=E2=80=9D, as for a fresh install, of +> course I could not =E2=80=9Ctla update=E2=80=9D. I tried with the silver sources +> instead. Building axiom aborted, and make complained about denied > permission to modify > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/entries -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/all-wcpr= -ops -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/prop-bas= -e/axiom.sty.svn-base=20 ->=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/text-bas= -e/axiom.sty.svn-base=20 - -That is a bug that I fixed in revision 75 of branches/build-improvements = +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/all-wcprops +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/prop-base/axiom.sty.svn-base +> +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/text-base/axiom.sty.svn-base +That is a bug that I fixed in revision 75 of branches/build-improvements at sourceforge. Makefile.pamphlet: @@ -2551,73 +2336,53 @@ ${OUT}/Makefile.pamphlet: @echo 1 making ${SRC}/scripts cp -pr * ${OUT} -There is actually another change in src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet, but maybe = - +There is actually another change in src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet, but maybe the two files above suffice. -Maybe it is easier to use svk instead of svn. svk does not put .svn=20 +Maybe it is easier to use svk instead of svn. svk does not put .svn directories inside the checked out tree. See http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/AxiomSilverBranch -> chmodding everything within /hemo/tmgisi/axiom64 to 777, make got past = - +> chmodding everything within /hemo/tmgisi/axiom64 to 777, make got past > this point but make did not proceed for more than 24-hours at: ->=20 -> make[3]: Entering directory=20 +> +> make[3]: Entering directory > `/home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc' -> 1 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/int/doc/axiom.bib from= -=20 +> 1 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/int/doc/axiom.bib from > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/axiom.bib.pamphlet -> 2 making=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty fro= -m=20 +> 2 making +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty from > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/axiom.sty.pamphlet -> 3 making=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dv= -i=20 -> from=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet= - +> 3 making +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi +> from +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet > The root module <<*>> was not defined. -> 4 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/book.dvi= -=20 +> 4 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/book.dvi > from /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/book.pamphlet -> 4 making=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/bookvol1.dvi from= -=20 +> 4 making +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/bookvol1.dvi from > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > So obviously, at step 5 of > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom -> I chose the wrong sources. Would the golden one be the correct one then= -? +> I chose the wrong sources. Would the golden one be the correct one then? -At least I compiled axiom--main--1--patch-50 (which is the current Gold=20 +At least I compiled axiom--main--1--patch-50 (which is the current Gold version) exactly as described on -http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/AxiomSilverBranch (including = - +http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/AxiomSilverBranch (including the compilation of libaxiom.al. I haven't yet tried Silver. -Good luck -Ralf - - - - - - \start -To: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> -Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 06 Jan 2007 17:53:38 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -"Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: [...] @@ -2651,43 +2416,27 @@ interaction with you because of faulty formatting commands). That is a known issue that was fixed a while ago -- at least in the build-improvements branch; I thought it was also fixed in the mainline. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: MathML package -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Arthur Ralfs Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:03:56 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: Re: MathML package Le vendredi 05 janvier 2007 =E0 22:38 -0800, Arthur Ralfs a =E9crit : -> Below is a package for producing presentation MathML. It's my first at= -tempt -> and based on Robert Sutor's TeXFomat domain. It's not finished but I w= -ould -> particularly appreciate if somebody else would be interested in testing= -=20 +> Below is a package for producing presentation MathML. It's my first attempt +> and based on Robert Sutor's TeXFomat domain. It's not finished but I would +> particularly appreciate if somebody else would be interested in testing > it and > letting me know what doesn't work. Can you resend your package in an attachment please, my MUA reformats long lines (same thing, apparently, in the mailing list archives). -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -To: list Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:39:42 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer Francois Maltey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -2814,27 +2563,18 @@ results. So the approach "simplify only when valid" may work only if you do not simplify fractions. And Axiom simplifies fractions when working with expressions... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:21:41 +0100 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> - - -Cc: list Hello Gaby, On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:53:38 +0100, Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> writes: +> Christian Aistleitner writes: > > [...] > @@ -2870,19 +2610,11 @@ thank you. I did not dare just to step over such issues, ... However, just ignoring the problem *sigh* allowed me to compile Axiom. Thank you. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:24:58 +0100 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> - - <459FBE92.7010009@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Hello, @@ -2892,19 +2624,11 @@ Hello, with the other replies in this thread I managed to install both the current silver and the current gold sources. -Thank you, -Christian - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:42:10 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when - building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu Camm, @@ -2923,20 +2647,11 @@ Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test this "windows-only read patch"? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jan 2007 10:50:54 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when - building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu Greetings, and thanks so much! @@ -2972,7 +2687,7 @@ Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -2990,30 +2705,12 @@ Take care, > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > this "windows-only read patch"? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:42:30 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: windows-only read patch (was: error in - ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Camm, @@ -3025,13 +2722,6 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] -> Sent: January 11, 2007 10:51 AM -> To: Bill Page -> Cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org; list -> Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when -> building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu -> > > Greetings, and thanks so much! > @@ -3070,7 +2760,7 @@ Bill Page. > > > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Camm, > > @@ -3089,41 +2779,17 @@ Bill Page. > > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > > this "windows-only read patch"? -> > -> > Regards, -> > Bill Page. -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire -> Camm Maguire -> ============================================================== -> ============ -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -> Baha'u'llah -> -> - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jan 2007 15:15:28 -0500 -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in - ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -3150,22 +2816,7 @@ you. I'd really be pleased if someone could try acl2 as well. Alas, due to email chaos, I seem to be disconnected from Vadim. -Take care, - - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> > > -----Original Message----- -> > From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] -> > Sent: January 11, 2007 10:51 AM -> > To: Bill Page -> > Cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org; list -> > Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when -> > building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu -> > -> > -> > Greetings, and thanks so much! > > > > Could you please try reverting: > > @@ -3202,7 +2853,7 @@ Take care, > > > > > > -> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > > > > Camm, > > > @@ -3221,50 +2872,17 @@ Take care, > > > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > > > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > > > this "windows-only read patch"? -> > > -> > > Regards, -> > > Bill Page. -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > -> > -- -> > Camm Maguire -> > Camm Maguire -> > ============================================================== -> > ============ -> > "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -> > Baha'u'llah -> > -> > -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:41:01 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: Camm Maguire - <54y7o98gm7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read patch (was: - error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > >> Camm, >> @@ -3300,22 +2918,10 @@ be tested. GCL 2.6.8 CVS without aforementioned patch? Please, try -With best regards, - -Vadim - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:46:49 +0100 (CET) -From: Waldek Hebisch +From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Infinite loop computing Laplace transform I have looked at bug 101. At the end of LaplaceTransform.locallaplace @@ -3341,21 +2947,12 @@ ATM I am unable to find a function such that this fragment helps. OTOH the fragment is quite likely to cause infinite recursion so I consider disabling it. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Jan 2007 18:55:17 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: PATCH to src/interp/ptrees.boot - -Hi, - There is a duplicate test for the data type used to implement the abstract syntax trees found in src/interp/ptrees.boot. This is a correction I would have liked to apply globally to @@ -3387,15 +2984,11 @@ build-improvement branch only. --- 286,293 ---- - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:33:35 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -To: guy.steele@sun.com, Tim Daly, list -Cc: -Subject: Mathematical Programming Languages with strong - typing +From: Tim Daly +To: Guy Steele +Subject: Mathematical Programming Languages with strong typing I've been reviewing your documents on Fortress. @@ -3403,17 +2996,10 @@ Have you seen Axiom (http://wiki.axiom-developer.org)? It already has some of the parameterized types as well as a very strong mathematical structure. -Tim Daly -Tim Daly - - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:08:14 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -To: guy.steele@sun.com, Tim Daly, list -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: Guy Steele Subject: Parallelism in mathematical languages One thought about parallelism is that you've implicitly @@ -3503,38 +3089,21 @@ follow the standard model of serial programming. Under the assumption that this language is used for mathematics the proviso model is much more natural and powerful. -Tim Daly -Tim Daly - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:57:16 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: ncloopProcess - -Hi Tim, - Where is ncloopProcess defined? Brute force grep shows no match... -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:20:46 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: ncloopProcess > > Hi Tim, @@ -3555,19 +3124,11 @@ which in turn is only used in ncloopInclude which is unused. AFAICS this is part of "new" unfinished toplevel. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 16 Jan 2007 17:39:47 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Jan 2007 17:39:47 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3600,18 +3161,12 @@ OK, thanks. We should probably have a list "open projects" consisting of unfinished "new" parts. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Jan 2007 20:18:01 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: sayMessage - Tim -- The function sayMessage appears to be defined at least in two locations: @@ -3621,21 +3176,15 @@ Tim -- which one should be considered the "true" definition? - [ also, the perspective is having many definitions, overriding or not, for same functions is seriously annoying when looking for information. ] --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: sayMessage -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:22:16 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: sayMessage > > Tim -- @@ -3673,93 +3222,72 @@ has finished), but ATM I am not sure if gains would justify effort. Fourth variant IMHO would only add confusion due to inconsistency. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: RE: ncloopProcess Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:45 +0100 -Thread-Topic: ncloopProcess -Thread-Index: Acc5x5VUqY72rnH4QEOU3vfN+CvbHQASyo4g -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: - FILETIME=[75D9B4E0:01C73A13] +From: Juergen Weiss +To: list +Subject: RE: ncloopProcess As far as I know, the nc functions are from the "New Compiler", which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the old compiler, which is the current SPAD compiler. This does not mean, that the functions might be used somewhere :-(. -Regards=20 +Regards Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 +> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=uni-mainz.de@nongnu.org > On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:40 AM > To: Waldek Hebisch > Cc: list > Subject: Re: ncloopProcess ->=20 +> > Waldek Hebisch writes: ->=20 -> | >=20 +> +> | > > | > Hi Tim, -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Where is ncloopProcess defined? -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Brute force grep shows no match... -> | >=20 -> |=20 +> | > +> | > | Lisp tells me that ncloopProcess is undefined: -> |=20 +> | > | )lisp (fboundp '|ncloopProcess|) -> |=20 -> | Value =3D NIL -> |=20 +> | +> | Value = NIL +> | > | Grepping shows that ncloopProcess is only used in ncloopInclude0 > | which in turn is only used in ncloopInclude which is unused. ->=20 +> > Thanks for concurring. ->=20 +> > I speculated, based on the missing definition, that ncloopInclude may -> be not be used at the moment. =20 ->=20 +> be not be used at the moment. +> > | AFAICS this is part of "new" unfinished toplevel. ->=20 -> OK, thanks. =20 ->=20 +> +> OK, thanks. +> > We should probably have a list "open projects" consisting of > unfinished "new" parts. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - \start -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:23:00 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | As far as I know, the nc functions are from the "New Compiler", | which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the old compiler, @@ -3774,28 +3302,18 @@ Hi Juergen, some point, but was removed? If yes, do you happen to remember what the reasons were? -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: RE: ncloopProcess Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:52:45 +0100 -Thread-Topic: ncloopProcess -Thread-Index: Acc6Kc07K+y5hQFnSuG/WWpUtapuQAAAjXnQ -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis - FILETIME=[00C251B0:01C73A2E] -Cc: list +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: ncloopProcess Hi, I think, before 1990 someone wrote a new scratchpad compiler in lisp. It seems that it was not better than the old one. So the code was abandoned and the A#/Aldor compiler was developed -around 1990. Maybe Tim knows more details.=20 +around 1990. Maybe Tim knows more details. Regards @@ -3804,46 +3322,36 @@ Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu=20 -> [mailto:gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis +> From: Gabriel Dos Reis +> [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:23 PM > To: Weiss, Juergen > Cc: list > Subject: Re: ncloopProcess ->=20 -> "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: ->=20 +> +> Juergen Weiss writes: +> > | As far as I know, the nc functions are from the "New Compiler", -> | which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the=20 +> | which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the > old compiler, > | which is the current SPAD compiler. This does not mean, that the > | functions might be used somewhere :-(. -> |=20 -> | Regards=20 ->=20 +> | +> | Regards +> > Hi Juergen, ->=20 +> > You said "which does not exist anymore". Did you mean it existed at > some point, but was removed? If yes, do you happen to remember what > the reasons were? ->=20 -> Thanks! ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:06:49 -0500 -From: Guy Steele -To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <532978A4-7770-421B-AE4E-3ADE76A90DF4@sun.com> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +From: Guy Steele +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Parallelism in mathematical languages Thanks for your comments about Fortress and Axiom. @@ -3943,18 +3451,11 @@ On Jan 16, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > follow the standard model of serial programming. Under the > assumption that this language is used for mathematics the proviso > model is much more natural and powerful. -> -> Tim Daly -> Tim Daly -> - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:23:06 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) The problem here is that sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) give something @@ -3983,18 +3484,11 @@ values on branch cuts does not seem very useful. So I am tempted to declare that arguments branch cuts are errors (like divison by 0). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:53:32 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:53:32 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4030,15 +3524,11 @@ After all, this is a mathematical computational platform. If we go that way, how else can we expect other people to take branch cuts seriously? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -To: list Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:19 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) I wrote: > There is an easy workaround, put: @@ -4069,36 +3559,21 @@ real arguments are computed in "real way", we could easily get wrong results (starting from enexpected complex expressions to plain wrong). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Jan 2007 10:00:06 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: interpreter and with-expression - -Tim -- - The interpreter (in particular pf2Sex) does not handle category definitions (with-expression). Is that by design or an "unfinished" part? In case it is by design, what is the rationale? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:13:17 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Juergen Weiss, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: new compiler, ncloopProcess Scratchpad was a research project used by many people in @@ -4155,16 +3630,10 @@ things. This is not documented and not apparent. It was intended for use by the developers of axiom so they could debug their programs. Some of these ended up abandoned. -t - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:21:11 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: interpreter and with-expression > The interpreter (in particular pf2Sex) does not handle category @@ -4175,16 +3644,10 @@ interpreter level. Well, in theory it is since a category is simply a lisp expression, but in practice I don't think it works. Categories are a compile-time concept. -t - - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:33:28 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -4217,17 +3680,11 @@ it really is confusing. I would like to know whether there are deep reasons for this, or whether it is because it was not finished. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:35:30 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4271,18 +3728,11 @@ can fully anayze roundoff) can use values on branch cuts. But even then, it may well turn out (as is in our case) that the values in not the needed one. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:50:27 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -4322,18 +3772,11 @@ to "compile" the type. In principle interpreter could transparently pass the definition to the compiler, but IMHO differences in interpreter and compiler language would destroy the illusion. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:51:16 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4397,16 +3840,11 @@ http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/240000/235703/p21-patton.pdf?key1=235703&key2=48 http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/240000/235704/p25-rich.pdf?key1=235704&key2=9722509611&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=9284552&CFTOKEN=77401299 --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:54:51 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4460,15 +3898,11 @@ Of course. So? Now, please do nail down those differences and and let see why they are any useful in the specific issue at hand. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 18:25:03 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: list Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 18:25:03 +0100 Hi Waldek and all ! @@ -4545,14 +3979,11 @@ Today my students noticed that I write log and not ln on the blackboard. You understand why ! French stuents dislike, but what is the international function name. - - \start -Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:50:18 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4584,18 +4015,11 @@ Concerning differences, a little one which probably has no useful justification: compiler accepts "until" keyword, but this keyword is absent in the interpreter. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 20:10:37 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 20:10:37 +0100 -Cc: list Dear all, @@ -4633,16 +4057,11 @@ Martin Looking at the aldor interpreter (where both is possible), it seems that it is quite difficult. It is the bit where I experienced most segfaults... - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:25:07 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression - <9q4pqpeafm.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -4660,16 +4079,11 @@ make it available in the working space -- as opposed to allowing the definition at the interpreter level and process (almost) exactly the same way? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:38:58 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4682,15 +4096,10 @@ where "until" seems indeed missing. I don't know whether that is by design or a bug. Note that that "new parser" is also intended to be used by the "new compiler". --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:00:24 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: interpreter and with-expression > What is the difference between putting that definition in a file @@ -4699,16 +4108,10 @@ Subject: interpreter and with-expression The interpreter does not have the treewalking machinery to dynamically construct and use a category. The compiler does. -t - - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:19:09 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -4727,16 +4130,11 @@ On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: and has the compiler does the construction and loads the resulting object. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:20:35 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:20:35 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -4787,17 +4185,11 @@ and I expect to have a smaller axiom, but a consistent system. Please, give me some advices ! -Francois - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:38:41 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression - -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:38:41 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Gabriel, @@ -4812,17 +4204,11 @@ map (f +-> f(55), [t +-> t+1, t +-> t+2])-- doesn't work, I must sign it Do you have any information about the anonymous functions. -Francois (again) - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:01:15 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression - <874pqpxrj2.fsf@nerim.fr> -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Francois Maltey wrote: @@ -4850,16 +4236,11 @@ So far, I only have documentation for But, I'll definitely look into the anonymous functions. Thanks for providing the test case. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 18 Jan 2007 22:44:49 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 18 Jan 2007 22:44:49 +0100 -Cc: list Hello Waldek, @@ -4891,13 +4272,9 @@ In this case I'm not sure. The Question remains. -Francois - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:27 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: axiom/aldor oddities @@ -4946,23 +4323,17 @@ Integer what am I missing here? -thanks, -Franz - - - \start -To: Franz Lehner -Subject: Re: axiom/aldor oddities -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 Jan 2007 13:57:40 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: axiom/aldor oddities Dear Franz, I can only guess... -Franz Lehner writes: +Franz Lehner writes: > ---BEGIN strange.as > #include "axiom" @@ -5007,79 +4378,42 @@ tfpi1(d:Polynomial Integer,n:PositiveInteger): Fraction Polynomial Integer == { d/(factorial(n::Integer)^2)::(Polynomial Integer); } -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:24:37 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc7pPJZBpuvT9PAQLqXHtK17bZwSgAKC+Yg +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: FW: Axiom is an open source math project - - -----Original Message----- -From: Francesco Montorsi [mailto:f18m_cpp217828@yahoo.it]=20 -Sent: January 19, 2007 3:36 AM -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: Axiom is an open source math project - +From: Francesco Montorsi Bill Page ha scritto: > Dear MathStudio Webmaster, ->=20 +> > You wrote: "if you find other good links, please email them to the > webmaster." ->=20 +> > See: ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org ->=20 -> Axiom is a general purpose system for doing mathematics by computer. = -It -> is especially useful for symbolic calculations, mathematical research = -and -> for the development of new mathematical algorithms. Axiom has a = -strongly- -> typed high-level programming language for expressing abstract = -mathematical -> concepts. Over 1,000 mathematical domains and categories are collected = -in +> +> Axiom is a general purpose system for doing mathematics by computer. It +> is especially useful for symbolic calculations, mathematical research and +> for the development of new mathematical algorithms. Axiom has a strongly- +> typed high-level programming language for expressing abstract mathematical +> concepts. Over 1,000 mathematical domains and categories are collected in > the Axiom Library. ... ->=20 +> > Please list Axiom on your web page at ->=20 +> > http://mathstudio.sourceforge.net/links.shtml done, thanks! -Francesco - ---=20 - - - - - -Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale!=20 - http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com=20 - - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:04:04 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Martin Rubey, - axiom-dev , lehner@finanz.math.tu-graz.ac.at +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: axiom/aldor oddities - <9qfya72myj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Hello, @@ -5091,7 +4425,7 @@ On 01/19/2007 01:57 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > > I can only guess... > -> Franz Lehner writes: +> Franz Lehner writes: > >> ---BEGIN strange.as >> #include "axiom" @@ -5163,20 +4497,12 @@ Integer == { It is never bad to add a bit of redundancy (namely the types). It's easier for humans and it helps the compiler. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0600 -From: TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org - boundary="----=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975" -Cc: list +From: Jaroslov Rosenberger +To: list Subject: Problems with compiler::link -------=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975 - The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error: @@ -5189,31 +4515,19 @@ SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6 & cheers, -Jacob S. -------=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975 - -The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error:

>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6  & /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0) -

cheers,
-Jacob S.


- -------=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975-- - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:04:21 -0600 -From: TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org - boundary="----=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823" -Cc: list +From: Jaroslov Rosenberger +To: list Subject: Re: Problems with compiler::link -------=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823 Appears to be solved by installing dev-versions of gmp, gcl, X11, readline, etc. These install the correct links for development. -Jacob S. -On 1/19/07, TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger wrote: +On 1/19/07, Jaroslov Rosenberger wrote: > > The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh > checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error: @@ -5223,31 +4537,11 @@ On 1/19/07, TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger wrote: > > SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6 & > /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0) -> -> cheers, -> -Jacob S. -> -> -> - -------=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823 - -Appears to be solved by installing dev-versions of gmp, gcl, X11, readline, etc. These install the correct links for development.

-Jacob S.

On 1/19/07, -TheChao <Jaroslov Rosenberger> wrote:
-The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error:

>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

-SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6  & /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0) -

cheers,
-Jacob S.


- -

- -------=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823-- - - \start -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:05:41 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: breakmode handling bug ? Hello, @@ -5299,16 +4593,11 @@ Greg PS : To test it issue a ')set break query' followed by a ')lisp ub' for example. - - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -To: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:43:26 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? > Hello, > @@ -5344,60 +4633,52 @@ continue Processing will continue where it was interrupted. (1) -> --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:57:35 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? Le samedi 20 janvier 2007 =E0 13:43 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Hello, -> >=20 +> > > > It is possible in Axiom to modify its behavior when an error is > > encountered via -> >=20 +> > > > )set break something -> >=20 -> > But if you set it to 'query', Axiom will ask you if you want to retur= -n +> > +> > But if you set it to 'query', Axiom will ask you if you want to return > > to top level or enter a Lisp break loop. What I find strange is that > > this not what Axiom has to do. The code is (g-error.boot): -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Could you give more detail on what Axiom is doing for you and what > it to do. For me it works as follows (both the old release and > newest wh-sandbox): ->=20 +> > (1) -> )set break query > (1) -> 1/0 ->=20 +> > >> Error detected within library code: > division by zero ->=20 +> > protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) ->=20 +> > You have three options. Enter: > continue to continue processing, > top to return to top level, or > break to enter a LISP break loop. ->=20 +> > Please enter your choice now: > continue > Processing will continue where it was interrupted. -> (1) ->=20 +> (1) -> You version seems to correctly handle the piece of code I sent. I have only two choices: (1) -> 1/0 -=20 + >> Error detected within library code: division by zero @@ -5408,27 +4689,18 @@ only two choices: Please enter your choice now: top -(1) ->=20 +(1) -> It's is on the x86_64 arch. I can reproduce this with gold, build-improvements and an old one (from Debian). Anyone who has a x86_64 version of GCL/Axiom can test this ? -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -To: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:23:02 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? > You version seems to correctly handle the piece of code I sent. I have > only two choices: @@ -5458,31 +4730,24 @@ a Debian and uses system gcl, another one uses gcl-2.6.7 build separately from sources (I do not use bundled gcl to save build time). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:14:28 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? Le samedi 20 janvier 2007 =E0 19:23 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > It's is on the x86_64 arch. I can reproduce this with gold, > > build-improvements and an old one (from Debian). -> >=20 +> > > > Anyone who has a x86_64 version of GCL/Axiom can test this ? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I use x86_64. My Axiom is based on gcl-2.6.7. One machine is > a Debian and uses system gcl, another one uses gcl-2.6.7 build > separately from sources (I do not use bundled gcl to save build > time). ->=20 +> Hmm... I don't like that... @@ -5490,9 +4755,9 @@ Thanks, Greg -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +=============== Linux ellipse 2.6.19.1 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jan 8 18:08:50 CET 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ dpkg -l libc6 @@ -5503,19 +4768,11 @@ GCL-2.6.7 and 2.6.8pre Debian (testing) - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Vanuxem Gregory'" Gregory Vanuxem, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: breakmode handling bug ? Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:14:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc8vHgcLCzcJ6jzQ8GdADLY/ty6YgACWIMg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: breakmode handling bug ? On January 20, 2007 12:58 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: > I have only two choices: @@ -5543,19 +4800,10 @@ build-improvements with included gcl-2.6.8pre) and the much older Windows version (based on gcl-2.6.5, I think) both work as expected and show 3 options. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:24:12 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <45B43C6C.7050101@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: retrieving axiom commands Is it possible to retrieve axiom commands? @@ -5563,18 +4811,11 @@ i.e. if I type in integrate(x**2,x) can I then get that command back rather than the output from the command? -Arthur Ralfs - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: retrieving axiom commands Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:51:40 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc93TDZ79a/VlUoT2y2lX4Jmqx0+wAV32GA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: retrieving axiom commands On January 21, 2007 11:24 PM Arthur Ralfs asked: > @@ -5590,20 +4831,11 @@ Try the command: Is that what you want? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:38:52 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands To: list -Message-id: <45B53CFC.3060405@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 +Subject: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands I want to retrieve the command from within spad code, not from the command line @@ -5615,27 +4847,12 @@ Arthur Ralfs wrote: > i.e. if I type in integrate(x**2,x) can I then get > that command back rather than the output from > the command? -> -> Arthur Ralfs -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:33:47 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc+dnX+B86t70sqSy+B2reEPWHi1QAjXaIg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands On January 22, 2007 5:39 PM Arthur Ralfs wrote: > @@ -5701,22 +4918,11 @@ CommandLine(): Exports == Implementation where Type: String -Does that help? - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:55:45 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands To: list -Message-id: <45B6D8C1.6060405@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 +Subject: Re: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands Bill Page wrote: > On January 22, 2007 5:39 PM Arthur Ralfs wrote: @@ -5795,18 +5001,11 @@ Thank you, that's very helpful, although it turns out that $internalHistoryTable has the information I need, rather than $currentLine. -Arthur Ralfs - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:32:53 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc/a8CtSBfWTxGETIKfDxquQ1TntQAW1kog -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands On January 23, 2007 10:56 PM Arthur Ralfs > @@ -5858,22 +5057,12 @@ See also Of course, this depends on exactly what and when you want to do what you want to do. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:45:24 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdBO/fSc5AFA0xOR8aOFJuRYNG31wAHptkg -Cc: list, 'Wiesner Thomas' -Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] How to expand a fraction (like - Maple does with'expand')? +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: How to expand a fraction (like Maple does with'expand')? +Cc: Thomas Wiesner Martin, @@ -6089,24 +5278,16 @@ is in Maple, but one still has the "feeling" that one is actively operating a some underlying internal representation in a transparent and effective manner. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jan 2007 17:42:48 +0100 -Cc: 'Wiesner Thomas' , list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] How to expand a fraction (like - Maple does with'expand')? +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: How to expand a fraction (like Maple does with'expand')? +Cc: Thomas Wiesner Dear Bill, *, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > * "expand" as provided by Maple, Mathematica, etc., is mainly about output, > > the internal representation doesn't matter too much there. It can be @@ -6233,17 +5414,12 @@ Consider: easily corrected. Currently it assumes that specializing does not affect factorization) -Martin - - - - \start -To: list Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:59:10 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: thomas@bau-konform.at +To: list Subject: Re: How to expand a fraction +Cc: Thomas Wiesner Wiesner Thomas wrote: @@ -6308,21 +5484,12 @@ Some remarks: little about box operator, but I suspect that it main intended use was _not_ to control printing. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: How to expand a fraction Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:50:21 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdBrmNVWwm6lABXQAi9gMF88SKD1AAEX1Qg -Cc: list, thomas@bau-konform.at +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: How to expand a fraction +Cc: Thomas Wiesner On January 26, 2007 7:59 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -6484,21 +5651,11 @@ the manipulation of members of the Expression domain in (more or less) the manner which you demonstrated. That his affects how expressions are printed seems to me to be a natural consequence. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:39:02 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: -Subject: - browser front end, statement of plans and progress +Subject: browser front end, statement of plans and progress I've been looking deeply into the problem of using a web browser as the front end for axiom. There are 3 components: @@ -6612,22 +5769,13 @@ Problem 4 is to move on to making the front end and back end reflect the crystal/facet design. More about that when the first 3 parts begin to work. - - - Design suggestions and discussion are welcome. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:14:04 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and - progress -Cc: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Hello Tim, @@ -6677,19 +5825,11 @@ Since you want to bring the documentation to html, what do you expect as the input? If hyperdoc goes away, I probably guess rightly, that you also want to remove hypertex, right? -[snip] - -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -To: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:14:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress > I've been looking deeply into the problem of using a web browser > as the front end for axiom. There are 3 components: @@ -6781,19 +5921,11 @@ If current format in inconvenient it is Axiom book which should be recoded. For Web access we need a translator which converts our format to HTML. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:32:02 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and - progress -Cc: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Tim Daly wrote: > I've been looking deeply into the problem of using a web browser @@ -6934,18 +6066,11 @@ To conclude: I think TeXmacs should become an official front-end for Axiom. If a browser front-end is an inevitable evil in our age, TeXmacs should become an official front-end number 2. -Best wishes and many thanks, -Andrey - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jan 2007 02:36:18 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6982,18 +6107,11 @@ and so is FLTK I'm not quit convinced yet that the idea of removing the all the C codes from Axiom is a good idea. --- Gaby - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Jan 2007 10:13:13 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Dear Tim, @@ -7133,24 +6251,14 @@ excellent example! I dislike C and like Lisp, too. But I have the feeling that throwing away C code should not be a goal per se. - - I very much hope that I could make my concerns understood. -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jan 2007 10:30:20 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Boot and Lisp for Axiom implementation - -Hi, - I see that there has been some effort invested in rewriting the Boot codes in Lisp. I believe that is a fundamental mistake. Even though Boot is a syntactic sugar over Lisp, it apears through @@ -7159,16 +6267,11 @@ students get quickly their mind wrapped around the Boot code than the Lisp equivalent; mostly -- I suspect -- because of the structural pattern matching, and structured Boot operators. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:06:01 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: sayMessage -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7198,16 +6301,11 @@ at least as many grammars (not always in sync). And least twice parse tree processors. That is recipe for confusion. We should aim for decreasing duplications. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: sayMessage -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:48:43 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: sayMessage Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7237,18 +6335,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Could you elaborate? I do not understand how fboundp and GCL autoload can help for Aldor translator problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 27 Jan 2007 15:46:14 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: sayMessage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Jan 2007 15:46:14 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -7301,20 +6392,11 @@ is effectively loaded, and if not load it. (3) -> null? FBOUNDP('parseTransform)$Lisp (3) false Type: Boolean - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:16:36 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdB82T1+jQjdlQ+RieHAdEnCgWyrwAms4qw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 27, 2007 4:13 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -7375,20 +6457,11 @@ documentation issues that are very close in spirit to the work done by Ralf Hemmecke in ALLPROSE although with very different tools. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:27:48 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: -Subject: - browser front end, statement of plans and progress +Subject: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Interesting set of replies. @@ -7406,9 +6479,6 @@ that allows us to use existing tools. Failing that we could probably dynamically generate API documentation at compile time that would be properly hyperlinked and easy to display. - - - Waldek says: "X11 problem should be easy to solve..." except that it is not. I have experimented with making the graphics and hyperdoc run on windows, freebsd, and @@ -7461,9 +6531,6 @@ Plus it is a one-of-a-kind language which limits the number of likely authors. Since writing documentation is vital this is a huge limitation. - - - Andrey suggests that TeXmacs "...is a better alternative than using a browser as a front-end...". I agree with this in theory but I'm not sure it holds up in practice. TeXmacs has limitations (e.g. @@ -7544,10 +6611,6 @@ as I learn more. "...TeXmacs is free and available for all platforms..." but so is Firefox. - - - - Gaby writes "Qt is available under windows". There are several approaches I've looked at in terms of portable graphics code. The most promising approach was to use Tcl/TK. We had a bit of @@ -7562,10 +6625,6 @@ an X11 emulation program on the MS window for X11. I've been experimenting with different systems for the past year and none of them have been sufficient, although it was a great learning experience. - - - - Martin writes: "...Ralf has written an excellent environment for literate programs...". Yes, he showed it to me in France and I'm really quite impressed. I'm not sure what this has to do with @@ -7600,11 +6659,6 @@ Supposedly noweb will also generate html. There are many migration paths to think about and explore. If I knew the answers I'd be writing production code rather than these many throw-away experiments. - - - - - Bill Page writes "...I think you should not be overly concerned about Tim's proposal since it seems to me that there is near zero likelihood that any of this work will be completed...". ummm, ok. @@ -7633,29 +6687,13 @@ TeXmacs. I'd bet you do not. to be used both "natively"..." and from this you conclude that having a browser front end to Axiom is mis-directed? - - - Anyway, thank you all for the feedback. -Tim - - - - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Jan 2007 11:43:03 +0100 -Cc: list - -Dear Tim, +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Tim Daly writes: @@ -7790,22 +6828,11 @@ ask for it. What? I thought noweb simply extracts code and documentation, thus preparing for LaTeX / TeX and Aldor / SPAD / C / Perl / whatever ? - - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:01:57 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdCti0CB9dwos8sQNWBSc0H0hb6GwAc1Pbg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 28, 2007 3:28 AM Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -7905,23 +6932,11 @@ how you actually spend your time. Anyway I think you have already done the greatest possible service just by making Axiom available as open source. What's next is up to all of us. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:06:29 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress - <00be01c7435a$3f981e80$0301010a@asus> -Cc: list - -Hi Bill, +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress > No I am still very much also in favour of the type of browser front > end for Axiom that Kai Kaminski worked on almost two years ago. @@ -7978,18 +6993,11 @@ to allow literate programming, so it feels natural writing a pamphlet inside of it, without loosing the features provided by the IDE or other plugins (auto compiling, class browser, etc). - - \start -To: list -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress - <00be01c7435a$3f981e80$0301010a@asus> - -From: Francois Maltey Date: 29 Jan 2007 11:18:19 +0100 - -Dear all, +From: Francois Maltey +To: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress I use axiom in a emacs with an axiom-mode which accepts multilines commands in automatics temporary files, @@ -8024,17 +7032,11 @@ curves in the same window. I can't do Have a nice day ! -F. - - - \start Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:35:28 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and - progress -Cc: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Tim Daly wrote: > "...TeXmacs can do everything hyperdoc does"? Really? Not that @@ -8083,20 +7085,11 @@ it would be a shame to re-implement a small fraction of their functionality instead of just using them. And Axiom will just prepare data files for them. They are all free, and available on many platforms. -Andrey - - - \start Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:03:27 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress To: Andrey G. Grozin -Cc: list - - ---- Andrey G. Grozin wrote: > I started to do it some time ago (not recently, don't remember > exactly when). I only needed a little help. I posted some questions @@ -8106,27 +7099,11 @@ Cc: list Could you re-post the questions? It sounds like now might be a good time to revisit those questions and see if we can get you some answers. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:04:24 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdDYz29Nhiz42gPSl2KYALk6RWSOwAW2jHQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 29, 2007 12:06 AM Alfredo Portes wrote: > ... @@ -8147,22 +7124,11 @@ http://sage-notebook.axiom-developer.org/axiom Agreed. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:07:42 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdDjtTr25W3Y39hSIusuUhXdr9MnAAMFMqg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 29, 2007 5:18 AM Francois Maltey wrote: > ... @@ -8183,19 +7149,10 @@ people will see your changes. I would be happy to answer any questions you have. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:12:40 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Andrey G. Grozin - -Cc: list Subject: TeXmacs and Graphics Andrey G. Grozin wrote: diff --git a/book/2007-02.txt b/book/2007-02.txt index 1005c30..2f47440 100644 --- a/book/2007-02.txt +++ b/book/2007-02.txt @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ \start -To: list Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:15:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Asq rewritten There were many plans to rewrite various parts of Axiom. I decided @@ -26,18 +26,11 @@ I have written also completly new (short) documentation. P.S. I just commited the new asq to wh-sandbox. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 01 Feb 2007 09:23:22 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Asq rewritten -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Feb 2007 09:23:22 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -174,19 +167,11 @@ ostream`1`x`(Generator(T))->_$`dDataStream(T)``\begin{adusage} T == Integer It is a mystery to me how Ralf did the linking magic. Maybe he or the combinat.aux file can help... - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:10:37 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Asq rewritten - <9qlkji8ex1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list I think I have to reply to Martin's mail. @@ -257,17 +242,11 @@ where \addefinetype is. The definition of \addefinetype and \adtype basically use commands from the hyperref LaTeX package and add some indexing and color information. That is not too much magic. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 04:39:39 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -289,17 +268,11 @@ as co-author as opposed to replacing the existing author, even if you have rewritten it. If this were a separate new program not building on previous ideas, I would that it is OK. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 01 Feb 2007 04:55:07 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Asq rewritten - <9qlkji8ex1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <45C1AE8D.3080305@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Feb 2007 04:55:07 -0600 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -324,17 +297,11 @@ Something betwen the "parse forms" and the internal AST that is fed to compTopLevel for example, but that retained just about anything. The new format is of course in addition to the existing ones. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:34:53 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -381,19 +348,12 @@ I think it is proper to have acknowledgement line like: (the exact wording may be different). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:11:14 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> I believe the conventional wisdom would suggest that you add your name >> as co-author as opposed to replacing the existing author, even if you @@ -435,17 +395,11 @@ replace Tim's asq. I think that Tim has already stated it before: respect. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:54:15 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -498,17 +452,11 @@ it has been *completely* rewritten from scratch, with readically different ideas. Nonetheless, the authorship displays the people who did not "directly" contribute to the new program in any form. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:04:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -608,19 +556,11 @@ found surprising similarities between some parts of gcc-1.35 and parts of gcc-4.1.1 -- after many edits code looks very different, but clearly is still the same code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:24:16 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -732,17 +672,11 @@ section that traces the history of asq.c. It would be very interesting to see which portions of which files you look at. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:20:40 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -856,19 +790,11 @@ influenced by original author (and in many cases this influence can be seen). I feel that "start from scratch" rewrite is quite different. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:03:47 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -951,18 +877,11 @@ I'm not sure. People contributing new components get their names in. Others, such as Richard Henderson, are so universally recognized that they don't think they need to put down their names :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -1026,25 +945,12 @@ parts of the code to claim primary authorship.) Imperfect ideas I'm sure, but maybe someone else has something better to suggest? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:18:43 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox - <388855.60362.qm@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > One thought might be to include certain "metadata" in the chunck > structure which could be used to automatically add citations and @@ -1069,11 +975,9 @@ errors, modify or add, you should leave the old code as not used chunk and add the new code explaining how it improves the old code, and it serves like Gaby said to keep a history of the changes. - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:31:29 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: authorship @@ -1081,15 +985,11 @@ I really hate to enter this debate because, apparently I'm at the center of it. But there has been a policy of authorship and credit in Axiom, although I probably never stated it clearly in one place. - - I've held forth on the subject of authorship and/or credit in Axiom before, for instance, - - Being a second-string academic all my life I've had a great deal of experience with the topic, not all good. @@ -1118,9 +1018,6 @@ dollar of the cash. Such events, no matter how well rationalized, always feel wrong. - - - I joined the scratchpad project and a few years later it was to be sold. I spent time over several months trying to dig up the name of everyone associated with the project. I put their name on the @@ -1169,22 +1066,10 @@ As a matter of (my) policy it has been the case that the most liberal guidelines were used for authorship and credit. I believe this tradition should continue. -Tim - - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:25:18 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdFRGeBttMAuD2oSsOogslr101oFQBM0kcg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey Subject: RE: Tests of sage. Francois, @@ -1272,18 +1157,11 @@ sure that the 'axiom4sage-0.1.spkg' that is used on the Sage server was built using gcl with readline disabled. I will check this and get back to you. ----- - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: authorship -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:03:29 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: authorship Tim Daly wrote: > When considering the issue of authorship and credit ask yourself what @@ -1353,20 +1231,11 @@ and http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00008.html - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:23:09 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [427] - branches/wh-sandbox +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [427] branches/wh-sandbox > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -1396,19 +1265,11 @@ diff -ru --exclude=.svn wh-sandbox2/src/interp/setq.lisp.pamphlet ../wh-sandbox2 ;; $SYSCOMMANDS is now defined at the top of i-syscmd.boot - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 02 Feb 2007 10:13:28 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: authorship -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Feb 2007 10:13:28 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -1422,15 +1283,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I'm sorry to say it this way: this is getting insane. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:57:04 -0600 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: authorship Well, I've been reasonably clear about what I believe the Axiom @@ -1459,15 +1315,10 @@ anything until it was mentioned. I do my best not to "own" programs or keep emotional attachments to them, both of which tend to cause friction in the open source model. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:40:24 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: authorship > Well, I've been reasonably clear about what I believe the Axiom @@ -1487,16 +1338,10 @@ Subject: Re: authorship OK, so I am now putting the above in wh-sandbox version. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:13:58 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: series2.output Hello, @@ -1506,33 +1351,19 @@ series2.input, which is in src/input ? I have a problem with GCL, so I tested under Windows where this problem doesn't seem present but I need to be sure of these results. -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:22:24 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: series2.output Forget my request... There is MathAction :-) -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:37:40 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: series2.output There is a apparently a problem in the Build-improvements branch or may be in GCL, I have no idea (I can reproduce the following on MathAction @@ -1569,18 +1400,11 @@ Build-improvements: etc... (see series2.input) -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:05:52 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: series2.output > There is a apparently a problem in the Build-improvements branch or may > be in GCL, I have no idea (I can reproduce the following on MathAction @@ -1620,67 +1444,60 @@ AFAICS this is bug 312 in action. This bug appeared as a byproduct of fix for bug 63. Igor Khavkine found the wrong place and proposed a fix, wh-sandbox contains slightly different fix. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:31:53 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: series2.output -Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 18:05 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 18:05 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > There is a apparently a problem in the Build-improvements branch or m= ay > > be in GCL, I have no idea (I can reproduce the following on MathActio= n > > (build-improvements)): -> >=20 -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +> > +> > ======================== +========================== +======================= > > Gold: -> >=20 -> > (2) -> f:=3Dtaylor(1-x^2) -> >=20 +> > +> > (2) -> f:=taylor(1-x^2) +> > > > 2 > > (2) 1 - x > > Type: UnivariateTaylorSeries(Expression Integer,x,= 0) > > (3) -> sin asin f -> >=20 +> > > > 2 11 > > (3) 1 - x + O(x ) -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +> > ======================== +========================== +======================== > > Build-improvements: -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> > (11) -> f:=3Dtaylor(1-x^2) -> >=20 +> > ======================== +========================== +======================== +> > (11) -> f:=taylor(1-x^2) +> > > > 2 > > (11) 1 - x > > Type: UnivariateTaylorSeries(Expression Integer,x,0= ) -> >=20 +> > > > (12) -> sin asin f -> >=20 +> > > > 1 4 1 6 7 8 5 10 11 > > (12) 1 - - x - -- x - --- x - ---- x + O(x ) > > 4 16 768 3072 > > Type: UnivariateTaylorSeries(Expression Integer,x,0= ) -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> >=20 ->=20 +> > ======================== +========================== +======================== +> > +> > AFAICS this is bug 312 in action. This bug appeared as a byproduct > of fix for bug 63. Igor Khavkine found the wrong place and proposed > a fix, wh-sandbox contains slightly different fix. @@ -1688,20 +1505,10 @@ n Yes you're right, my version of Gold contains the Igor Kahvkine's patch. Will look in your patches (on my BIG TODO list). -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 From: William Sit To: list -Message-id: <45C4F395.D6E8ED98@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows I was trying to solve a homogeneous parametric linear system @@ -1761,26 +1568,11 @@ Can any one tell me how to increase the space? Exactly how big is one page? I have 2GB RAM. Is it possible to allocate the max to Axiom (under Windows XP)? -Thanks. - -William - --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -To: list Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:02:13 -0500 +From: William Sit +To: list +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 William Sit wrote: @@ -1810,16 +1602,11 @@ Use ALLOCATE to expand the space. protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) -William - - - \start -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -To: William Sit Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:25:47 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows William Sit wrote: > >> System error: @@ -1842,20 +1629,13 @@ gcl). Using gcl 2.6.8 I can give bigger values. Typically page means 4 kilobytes, that would agree with process size (empty Axiom about 80 Mb, around 900 Mb after allocating 200000 pages). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: William Sit Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:39:05 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 16:02 -0500, William Sit a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 16:02 -0500, William Sit a =E9crit : > On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 > William Sit wrote: > > >> System error: @@ -1863,11 +1643,11 @@ Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 16:02 -0500, William Sit a =E9crit :=20 > >Currently, 82689 pages are allocated. > >Use ALLOCATE to expand the space. > > -> >Can any one tell me how to increase the space? Exactly=20 +> >Can any one tell me how to increase the space? Exactly > >how > >big is one page? -4096 bytes (1 << 12)=20 +4096 bytes (1 << 12) )lis (room) will tell you the number of page availables. This is fixed at compile time so if you have compiled with the default options you'll @@ -2041,7 +1821,7 @@ Random documentation (under LGPL I think): -- Variable: *LISP-MAXPAGES* Package:SI GCL specific: Holds the maximum number of pages (1 page - =3D 2048 bytes) for the GCL process. The result of changing the + = 2048 bytes) for the GCL process. The result of changing the value of SI:*LISP-MAXPAGES* is unpredictable. -- Variable: *MULTIPLY-STACKS* @@ -2095,46 +1875,30 @@ Random documentation (under LGPL I think): values, but not make any changes. -> I have 2GB RAM. Is it possible to=20 +> I have 2GB RAM. Is it possible to > >allocate > >the max to Axiom (under Windows XP)? > > -> Let me add that on my system, the XP OS normally used=20 -> about under 800 MB with multiple programs open. When Axiom=20 -> started the CPU monitor shows 770MB and when the command=20 -> psolve(amat) started, the memory usage rose all the way to=20 -> about 1.20 GB and then quit. So there is plenty of=20 -> physical RAM left (not to mention virtual RAM). I repeated=20 +> Let me add that on my system, the XP OS normally used +> about under 800 MB with multiple programs open. When Axiom +> started the CPU monitor shows 770MB and when the command +> psolve(amat) started, the memory usage rose all the way to +> about 1.20 GB and then quit. So there is plenty of +> physical RAM left (not to mention virtual RAM). I repeated > this and Axiom aborted with: ->=20 +> > >> System error: > The storage for CONS is exhausted. > Currently, 97956 pages are allocated. > Use ALLOCATE to expand the space. ->=20 +> > protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) ->=20 -> William ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:08:03 -0500 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows To: Waldek Hebisch -Message-id: <45C5A273.6AFB5448@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows Thanks, Waldek. I tried as you suggested; the allocate produces a system error unless I use a very small number. Nonetheless, the CONS type space @@ -2324,27 +2088,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch wrote: > gcl). Using gcl 2.6.8 I can give bigger values. Typically page > means 4 kilobytes, that would agree with process size (empty Axiom > about 80 Mb, around 900 Mb after allocating 200000 pages). -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch - --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:04:40 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Can you depend on it? It's 5 a.m. on a sunday morning and I can't sleep because I'm @@ -2591,18 +2339,11 @@ Because we're doing mathematics. Because we're doing it for people to understand. Because Axiom's life depends on it. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 04 Feb 2007 14:43:26 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Can you depend on it? -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Feb 2007 14:43:26 +0100 -Cc: list - -Dear Tim, I agree with many things you write, save two: @@ -2677,19 +2418,11 @@ Some problem for ADE's, i.e., equations of the form p(1, z(x), z'(x), z''(x), ...) = 0, p polynomial with coefficients in K[x]? - - - - \start Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 06:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: list Subject: Re: Can you depend on it? -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: - - ---- Tim Daly wrote: > Ah, that's the question for today...."Can people depend on it?". > @@ -2832,24 +2565,10 @@ mathematics but proof logic as well (plus high energy physics, for this problem domain), and how to make all of them interact. Which reminds me, I have some reading to do... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - - \start -To: Bill Page, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 19:13:49 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Subject: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Dear Bill, @@ -2860,20 +2579,10 @@ furthermore, it seems that the mirror at risc is not really up to date. By the way, if I make changes at the mirror at risc, I guess they are not applied to the main site, are they? I.e., after one update, they get lost? -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:17:15 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdIiDs9p1pwnYkJTNayylmZK/p1LwACBp1Q -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Martin, @@ -2906,21 +2615,11 @@ at the risc site are not automatically applied at the main site but there is a simple process to transfer pages from one site to another. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:32:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdIiDs9p1pwnYkJTNayylmZK/p1LwACBp1QAABcNrA= -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Ok, problem solved. @@ -2971,21 +2670,14 @@ On February 4, 2007 2:17 PM I wrote: > http://axiom-developer.org:8080/mathaction/FrontPage > > I will let you know when the problem with Apache is fixed. -> - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? / - money -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 20:54:16 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? / money -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Ok, problem solved. > @@ -3006,17 +2698,10 @@ Great! Thank you! Definitively. I'll keep it in mind. -Martin - - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 21:28:08 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: messages in wh-sandbox Dear Waldek, @@ -3031,20 +2716,12 @@ Lookup coerce ((OutputForm) $) in wh-sandbox? -thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:03:17 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 -Cc: billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 +Cc: Bill Page Waldek, et al. @@ -3079,7 +2756,7 @@ ized in this function /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dproject3d.c +--tangle --output=project3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/project3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3091,7 +2768,7 @@ d.o project3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dquitbut3d.c +--tangle --output=quitbut3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/quitbut3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3103,7 +2780,7 @@ d.o quitbut3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dquit3d.c +--tangle --output=quit3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/quit3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3114,7 +2791,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE quit3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dsave3d.c +--tangle --output=save3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/save3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3125,7 +2802,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE save3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dsavebut3d.c +--tangle --output=savebut3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/savebut3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3137,7 +2814,7 @@ d.o savebut3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3DsmoothShade3d.c +--tangle --output=smoothShade3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/smoothShade3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3148,7 +2825,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE smoothShade3d.o smoothShade3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3DspadAction3d.c +--tangle --output=spadAction3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/spadAction3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3159,7 +2836,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE spadAction3d.o spadAction3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dstuff3d.c +--tangle --output=stuff3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/stuff3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3174,7 +2851,7 @@ stuff3d.c:128: warning: =E2=80=98pert.z=E2=80=99 is used uninitialized in t= his function /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dsurface3d.c +--tangle --output=surface3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/surface3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3196,7 +2873,7 @@ ized in this function /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dtransform3d.c +--tangle --output=transform3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/transform3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3207,7 +2884,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE transform3d.o transform3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dviewport3d.c +--tangle --output=viewport3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/viewport3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3222,7 +2899,7 @@ els=E2=80=99 defined but not used /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dvolume3d.c +--tangle --output=volume3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/volume3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3234,7 +2911,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE volume3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dwrite3d.c +--tangle --output=write3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/write3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3266,20 +2943,20 @@ rm -f stamp echo timestamp > stamp finished ../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D' -cd viewAlone && SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SR= -C=3D/src -INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +cd viewAlone && SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SR= +C=/src +INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make make[3]: Entering directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone= ' /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/../../.././build/scripts/doc= ument ---tangle --output=3DviewAlone.c +--tangle --output=viewAlone.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/viewAlone.c.pamphlet gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone @@ -3289,7 +2966,7 @@ gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE viewAlone.o viewAlone.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/../../.././build/scripts/doc= ument ---tangle --output=3DspoonComp.c +--tangle --output=spoonComp.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/spoonComp.c.pamphlet gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone @@ -3299,7 +2976,7 @@ gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE spoonComp.o spoonComp.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/../../.././build/scripts/doc= ument ---tangle --output=3Dspoon2D.c +--tangle --output=spoon2D.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/spoon2D.c.pamphlet gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone @@ -3317,10 +2994,10 @@ echo timestamp > stamp finished . make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone' /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/../.././build/scripts/document ---tangle=3D`basename parabola/data` --output=3Dparabola/data +--tangle=`basename parabola/data` --output=parabola/data ./../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/fileformats.pamphlet /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/../.././build/scripts/document ---tangle=3D`basename parabola/graph0` --output=3Dparabola/graph0 +--tangle=`basename parabola/graph0` --output=parabola/graph0 ./../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/fileformats.pamphlet echo timestamp > stamp 24 finished @@ -3329,56 +3006,56 @@ make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph' /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux/bin ./../wh-sandbox/config/mkinstalldirs /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux/share -cd hyper && SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC=3D= +cd hyper && SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC== /src -INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make make[2]: Entering directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/hyper' -failcmd=3D'exit 1'; \ +failcmd='exit 1'; \ for f in $MAKEFLAGS; do \ case $f in \ - *=3D* | --[!k]*) ;; \ - *k*) failcmd=3D'fail=3Dyes';; \ + *=* | --[!k]*) ;; \ + *k*) failcmd='fail=yes';; \ esac; \ done; \ - dot_seen=3Dno; \ - target=3D`echo all-recursive | sed s/-recursive//`; list=3D''; \ + dot_seen=no; \ + target=`echo all-recursive | sed s/-recursive//`; list=''; \ for subdir in $list; do \ echo "Making $target in $subdir"; \ - if test "$subdir" =3D "."; then \ - dot_seen=3Dyes; \ - local_target=3D"$target-ax"; \ + if test "$subdir" = "."; then \ + dot_seen=yes; \ + local_target="$target-ax"; \ else \ - local_target=3D"$target"; \ + local_target="$target"; \ fi; \ - (cd $subdir && SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-sus= + (cd $subdir && SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-sus= e-linux -SRC=3D/src INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sa= +SRC=/src INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sa= ndbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make $local= +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make $local= _target) || eval $failcmd; \ done; \ - if test "$dot_seen" =3D "no"; then \ - SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC=3D/= + if test "$dot_seen" = "no"; then \ + SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC=/= src -INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make "$targ= +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make "$targ= et-ax" || exit 1; \ fi; test -z "$fail" @@ -3392,18 +3069,13 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src' make: *** [all-src] Error 2 wspage@suse-linux:~/axiom-sandbox> - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 22:18:23 +0100 -Cc: "list" , - billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > What reports do we have of successful builds of wh-sandbox? What > platforms? @@ -3411,17 +3083,10 @@ Cc: "list" , I just re-built wh-sandbox, although not from scratch but only after a svn up, on kubuntu dapper without a problem. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:29:48 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: "list" , - billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 > Waldek, et al. @@ -3457,19 +3122,11 @@ Thanks for the report. I build regularly on prerelase Debian and on Mandrake 9.2. Your log looks different than my build log -- I will investigate what is the reason for the difference. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: messages in wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:39:28 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: messages in wh-sandbox Martin Rubey wrote: > is there a way to turn of messages like @@ -3493,19 +3150,11 @@ Later you wrote: Do the messages appear in the freshly re-built version? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 04 Feb 2007 22:44:41 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: messages in wh-sandbox -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Feb 2007 22:44:41 +0100 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3536,20 +3185,11 @@ diff and some files are modified. Very likely, this is because of an experimental patch of Peter Broadbery to enable aldor extend. Sorry about taking away your time... -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:35:29 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdIuHlSAnvYchyER+uf4gcyLiPr1AADBdpQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: RE: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing - Package on MathAction +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing Package on MathAction Martin, @@ -3581,24 +3221,15 @@ minutes the compile is complete and the page looks ok. Let me know if this works now. I will leave the limit at 60 minutes for now. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Feb 2007 04:12:37 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing - Package on MathAction +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing Package on MathAction Dear Bill, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > I am not sure if I can fix anything, but you are right that > MantepseSpad2 did not compile in the 1 minute CPU time limit @@ -3627,17 +3258,11 @@ Martin PS: Neil Sloane will be looking at the program next week, and possibly include it in SuperSeeker. That'd be nice! - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey - <9qveihfgbe.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Feb 2007 04:55:06 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing - Package on MathAction +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing Package on MathAction Martin Rubey writes: @@ -3645,19 +3270,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: It's working now! Super! Good night! -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:38:19 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 -Cc: -Subject: wh-sandbox: error in hyperdoc - uncompress is - obsolete +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: wh-sandbox: error in hyperdoc - uncompress is obsolete While testing Hyperdoc in the current version wh-sandbox on OpenSuSE 10.2 I encountered the following problem while run some example graphics: @@ -3676,18 +3293,10 @@ uncompress: No such file or directory My understanding is that 'uncompress' is an obselete name for 'gzip -d'. Is that correct? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:45:49 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 Quoting Bill Page: @@ -3723,22 +3332,13 @@ the problem. In any case, I can now report a successful build on OpenSuSE 10.2. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 - <20070205234549.pbr7kvgfgjggckgg@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 06 Feb 2007 04:59:03 -0600 -Cc: "list" , - billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Bill Page: | @@ -3779,14 +3379,10 @@ I found that it was because noweave/notangle was missing so the build-setup.sh script overwrote complete information with partial information. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:20:37 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Algebra bootstrap I would like to share with you recent progress I made. Namely, I was @@ -3857,19 +3453,11 @@ from empty databases, but the resulting databases still contain too little (or possibly incorrect) information, so normal bootstrap using such databases fails relatively early. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 06 Feb 2007 08:04:51 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Feb 2007 08:04:51 -0600 -Cc: list - I think we need to have a basic interpreter, and a basic compiler in the sense that they are almost like the interpreter and compiler, @@ -3885,15 +3473,11 @@ We must also be able to process a file without first having to split it into several chunks. We have been able to process SPAD files that way; making )abbrev a no-op. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:00:47 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: "list" +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox: error in hyperdoc - uncompress is obsolete > While testing Hyperdoc in the current version wh-sandbox on OpenSuSE 10.2 I > encountered the following problem while run some example graphics: @@ -3945,16 +3529,10 @@ image library, so the problem should automatically go away. If the problem affects more poeple I will probably look again at it to find quicker solutuion. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 06 Feb 2007 21:50:14 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. Hello, @@ -3976,18 +3554,11 @@ This computer is at work and my mail at home... So I can't be more precise. May you help me ? -Francois M. - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey -Subject: RE: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:35:53 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdKMGsndDyuPMtqSS21NCdKGRtzKwADaCCw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: RE: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. On February 6, 2007 3:50 PM Francois Maltey wrote: > @@ -4035,17 +3606,10 @@ It is possible that Axiom was originally installed for a single user only, in which case the AXIOM variable may only be defined for that specific user in the 'Users varaibles for ...'. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:32:55 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Algebra bootstrap I have commited new algebra bootstrap to wh-sandbox. This code is @@ -4063,18 +3627,11 @@ I have commited it so that: - others can see details of bootstrap process - I can kill Lisp embedded in algebra pamphlets --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:17:02 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap > > I think we need to have a basic interpreter, and a basic compiler @@ -4122,21 +3679,11 @@ Concerning abbrev declaration: I am not sure how to find out wether something is a package or a domain without using information from abbrevs. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 06 Feb 2007 19:19:57 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Feb 2007 19:19:57 -0600 -Cc: list - ---=-=-= Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4340,17 +3887,11 @@ SpadParser(): Public == Private where ast - ---=-=-=-- - - - \start -Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 04:40:00 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4543,20 +4084,11 @@ behaved subset. P.S. Thanks for the attached code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Algebra bootstrap Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:11:24 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-2" -Thread-Index: AcdKRy4ahsUOf6ygRiKOMBLXkLAdiwAJJOkw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Algebra bootstrap On February 6, 2007 6:33 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -4574,25 +4106,17 @@ Thank you very much for providing this work so quickly. > - I can kill Lisp embedded in algebra pamphlets > -Waldek,=20 +Waldek, Wy jeste=B6cie moimi bohaterem! (You are my hero!) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:00:27 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:00:27 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4885,75 +4409,55 @@ I believe I don't understand why the macro expansion *needs* to be done before postTransform and parseTransform. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm saying "can you elaborate?". --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:53:55 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap Bill Page wrote: -> Waldek,=20 ->=20 +> Waldek, +> > Wy jeste=B6cie moimi bohaterem! ->=20 +> > (You are my hero!) ->=20 +> You are welcome. I hope my work will be useful. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. -From: Francois Maltey Date: 08 Feb 2007 22:48:38 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Francois Maltey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. Dear Bill, > msys is not necessary to use Axiom on windows - only if you > need to build Axiom from source. ->=20 +> I install Axiom in Windows from the binary install. > > I change rights of the axiom directory and the msys directory. > > Now they are read/write/and others for all users. -> >=20 +> > > It sounds like the AXIOM environment variable is not set. -> =20 +> > To check the AXIOM variable go to: ->=20 +> > Start/ControlPanel/System/Advanced/EnvironmentVariables Many thanks ! This variable was set for root, not for the other user. > and check that the 'System variables' table includes ->=20 +> > Variable Name: AXIOM > Variable Value: c:/Program Files/axiom/mnt/windows -Have a nice day ! - -Fran=E7ois, From France. - - - \start Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:30:44 +0000 From: Vladimir Bondarenko To: list - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" Subject: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? Hello *, @@ -4964,19 +4468,9 @@ When the next release for Windows is planned (at least approximately)? Thanks in advance. - -Best wishes, - -Vladimir Bondarenko - -http://www.cybertester.com - - - - \start -From: Brent Fulgham Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:28:15 -0800 +From: Brent Fulgham To: list Subject: Building Axiom @@ -4989,20 +4483,13 @@ least, use a precompiled GCL, if I have one on my system). Has anyone made any progress working with Axiom in a non-GCL environment? -Thanks, - --Brent - - - \start -To: Brent Fulgham -Subject: Re: Building Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Feb 2007 02:32:25 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Brent Fulgham +Subject: Re: Building Axiom -Brent Fulgham writes: +Brent Fulgham writes: | Trying to get Axiom to build on the Mac is pretty frustrating, mainly | because the build fails on GCL. @@ -5010,16 +4497,11 @@ Brent Fulgham writes: There have been documented successful build reports on Mac OS/PowerPC. So, could you be more specific? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 10 Feb 2007 09:50:07 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: Re: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 Feb 2007 09:50:07 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Vladimir, @@ -5037,19 +4519,12 @@ Sorry, no windows. Bill? Vladimir, did you consider taking the price for porting AldorUnit to Axiom? Would be really nice! -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Feb 2007 12:17:26 +0100 -Cc: Igor Khavkine Igor Khavkine, list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: new AXIOM release(s) +Cc: Igor Khavkine Dear Tim, *, @@ -5204,16 +4679,11 @@ this equals $c_2$, and [[Y f]] now equals $[c_1,c_2,\dots]$. @ \end{document} - - - \start Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:56:49 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: list - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> -Subject: build-improvements without external noweb: is it - supposed to work? +Subject: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? Hello *, @@ -5247,19 +4717,11 @@ branch ready for packaging? (I mean not the main portage tree, but an experimental overlay.) If not, when will it be ready for such wider testing by the Gentoo community? -Andrey - - - \start -To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Feb 2007 11:28:53 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Andrey G. Grozin +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? Andrey G. Grozin writes: @@ -5325,17 +4787,11 @@ for deeper reasons. It would be great if you could help in that regard! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Brent Fulgham -Subject: Re: Building Axiom Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:49:20 -0800 +From: Brent Fulgham To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:49:33 EST -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Building Axiom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 @@ -5343,7 +4799,7 @@ Hash: SHA1 On Feb 10, 2007, at 12:32 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> Brent Fulgham writes: +> Brent Fulgham writes: > > | Trying to get Axiom to build on the Mac is pretty frustrating, > mainly @@ -5441,30 +4897,11 @@ had to do anything fancy. I already tried adjusting my pathing to exclude my MacPorts stuff, but that didn't seem to help (using or not using it resulted in the same problem). -Thanks, - -- -Brent - - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) - -iD8DBQFFzi/WzGDdrzfvUpURAm29AJ9/lyZ7/zFdEjEHWYcoVR8iOA96jgCeNtx2 -FJyMwfn7zPTYZwS0/lDDDFk= -=I9m3 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" -Subject: RE: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:34:58 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdM8H5oZ/A7mUufT4qBg+yE49RG2gAaqBgg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Vladimir Bondarenko +Subject: RE: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? On February 10, 2007 3:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -5479,19 +4916,10 @@ On February 10, 2007 3:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: The build-improvements branch of Axiom builds on Windows. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:50:45 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <45CE8485.5020709@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: )set output mathml on This posting is in response to Andrey Grozin's questions here @@ -5596,16 +5024,10 @@ display="block"> Type: Polynomial Integer -Arthur Ralfs - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:37:43 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list Subject: )set output mathml on > I wanted to get my mathml package delivering output.... @@ -5679,18 +5101,11 @@ Packaging changes to "get it off your desk" is three times more work. I'd like to be able to pick things up that seem "simple" but since I'm not the author I have no real ability to debug it when the merge breaks. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:07:38 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: list Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Tim Daly > Tim Daly writes: > @@ -5727,30 +5142,11 @@ technical but I think they are important enough from practical point of view. After all this is question of identity. -With best regards, - -Vadim - - - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start +Date: 11 Feb 2007 10:21:50 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <45CF3F4A.6040802@netorn.ru> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Feb 2007 10:21:50 -0600 -Cc: list, Tim Daly Vadim V. Zhytnikov writes: @@ -5793,17 +5189,10 @@ every year. The latter assumes we have enough momentum. | After all this is question of identity. -Indeed. - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:59:58 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov -Cc: list Subject: new AXIOM release(s) > 1) IMHO publish release as CVS tree on SorceForge is bad practice... @@ -5874,21 +5263,10 @@ Axiom on a weekly basis when I was at IBM and it was my primary job. Tim - - - - - - - - \start -From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: "Axiom-Math" , "Axiom-Mail" , - "Axiom-Developer" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:21:52 +0100 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Request for testing (Win32 users) Hello, @@ -5948,24 +5326,12 @@ to the CMU Common Lisp system. Many, many thanks to you, Juergen Weiss. -Greg - - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:36:12 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list Subject: request for testing (Win32 users) - "Do not discuss issues related to this version on the official Axiom mailing lists unless explicitly permitted" @@ -5980,14 +5346,11 @@ It seems perfectly reasonable to discuss the SBCL effort here. Tim - - \start +Date: 11 Feb 2007 13:32:00 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Feb 2007 13:32:00 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -6015,22 +5378,11 @@ There are other meaningful machine checkable alternative as well. % ld --version GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2.2 20041220 (SuSE Linux) - - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:40:44 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <45CF3F4A.6040802@netorn.ru> <87tzxsk6ld.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -6059,15 +5411,10 @@ schema, even when I am aware that this is usually the standard. Just my 0.005 cents. -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:46:11 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) Tim Daly writes: @@ -6078,26 +5425,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: I mean only source release tarball not any binaries. - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:50:58 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <45CF3F4A.6040802@netorn.ru> - <87tzxsk6ld.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: list On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -6125,38 +5457,31 @@ On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: That also makes sense. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:38:54 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOCYNtdKmClMRHQ0aMdB9DfewdlgAD6imw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) On February 11, 2007 1:22 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: ->=20 -> I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for=20 +> +> I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for > Windows (32 bits). So if you are a Windows user, you already > know Axiom and you can spent some time for testing and reporting > bugs I would really be happy. Great! I am very glad you are working on this. ->=20 +> > Things that you have to know: ->=20 +> > * You must know Axiom, -> * You have an official version of Axiom (built on top of GCL)=20 +> * You have an official version of Axiom (built on top of GCL) > for Windows, I do, I do. :-) -> * You must know that this version comes with absolutely no=20 +> * You must know that this version comes with absolutely no > warranty of any kind, > * "How to use it" is not supported, @@ -6164,7 +5489,7 @@ Isn't that already obvious and clear? I think this applies to all open source projects including the open source version(s) of Axiom. -> * Bug (that is, bug in this version not present in the=20 +> * Bug (that is, bug in this version not present in the > official one) MUST be reported to vanuxemg at yahoo dot fr > and not to the official Axiom bug tracking systems, @@ -6175,7 +5500,7 @@ provision (i.e. new categories) in the Axiom wiki IssueTracker system to refer to your new version so that we can easily distinguish to which version the issue applies. -> * This is not the same version than the official one (the=20 +> * This is not the same version than the official one (the > code differs), I do not know what is really "official" any more. Juergen Weiss' @@ -6184,7 +5509,7 @@ on this list and his original source code has been distributed. Some of his changes have been incorporated into the "official" sources in available via CVS and at SourceForge. -> * This is not a fork (code in this version is destined to be=20 +> * This is not a fork (code in this version is destined to be > included in the official version), > * The source code is NOT available (sorry, not yet), @@ -6216,34 +5541,34 @@ publicly with Axiom on another version of Lisp. That applies to ALL computer algebra systems - even the expensive commercial ones. -=20 ->=20 + +> > It can be downloaded from: > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-sbcl-win.tar.bz2 ->=20 +> > To use it, untar/unbzip2 it in a directory without space in its > name (full path without space). Export the environment variable > AXIOM, it must point to the directory that contains the algebra, > bin etc... directories. ->=20 +> > So for example: ->=20 -> set AXIOM=3Dc:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win ->=20 +> +> set AXIOM=c:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win +> > and you can start it with ->=20 +> > c:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win\bin\interpsys > Thank very much for making this available. -=20 ->=20 -> One of the most important thing to know is that this work=20 + +> +> One of the most important thing to know is that this work > is based on the work of Juergen Weiss (among others of course), > he "ported" parts of Axiom to the CMU Common Lisp system. ->=20 +> > Many, many thanks to you, Juergen Weiss. ->=20 +> Yes, as I have said before: Juergen's work on the CMU version was (and still is) critically important to the current open @@ -6260,23 +5585,11 @@ of different Common Lisp environments. Thanks again, Greg, for making your work available! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:24:54 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOCYNtdKmClMRHQ0aMdB9DfewdlgAGRgLQ -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' - -Greg, +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) You wrote: @@ -6333,30 +5646,13 @@ Type HELP for debugger help, or (SB-EXT:QUIT) to exit from SBCL. Any idea what might be wrong? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:53:03 +0100 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' - +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) > -----Message d'origine----- -> De : Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] -> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 22:25 -> =C0 : 'Vanuxem Gr=E9gory' -> Cc : 'Axiom-Developer' -> Objet : RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) -> -> > Greg, > > You wrote: @@ -6369,7 +5665,7 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' > > > > So for example: > > -> > set AXIOM=3Dc:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win +> > set AXIOM=c:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win > > > > and you can start it with > > @@ -6386,20 +5682,11 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not understand the path used (Cygwin specific). -Greg - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:31:57 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOJv/Cgz3cu4mNS5OVoJ6rPmzQiAAFVPVQ -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Greg, @@ -6412,7 +5699,7 @@ On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: > > > > $ echo $AXIOM > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win ->=20 +> > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). > @@ -6430,12 +5717,12 @@ Bill Page. PS. Could you explain the phrase: "Kitten of Death" :-) Example output of axiom-sbcl-win on my Windows system: -=20 + Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS>set -AXIOM=3DC:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win +AXIOM=C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS>C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win/b= @@ -6474,19 +5761,11 @@ at your own risk. "Your Kitten of Death awaits!" Integer,...) (2) -> - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:29:12 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOJv/Cgz3cu4mNS5OVoJ6rPmzQiAAFVPVQAAS9/ZA= -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Greg, @@ -6498,7 +5777,7 @@ So far I have two problems with axiom-sbcl-win to report: ------- C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\Desktop>set -AXIOM=3DC:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win +AXIOM=C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\Desktop>cd "c:\Documents = and @@ -6587,17 +5866,10 @@ Cannot create a file when that file already exists. Note: This re-compile problem does *not* occur if the current directory is set to a path that contains no spaces. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:14:06 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: SBCL and Axiom Vanuxem Grégory wrote: @@ -6641,18 +5913,11 @@ Axiom BOOT code to lisp? I recall there being a couple of different conventions between BOOT and SHOE but I don't remember the conclusion - can the conversion be made? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start +Date: 12 Feb 2007 08:14:41 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Feb 2007 08:14:41 -0600 -Cc: Axiom-Developer Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -6680,16 +5945,11 @@ That is my understanding too. We are almost there. I've found that the new Boot is much simpler, and more comfortable to work with. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -6750,24 +6010,11 @@ process we can try many things (like asdf) without being forced to step carefully around the build issues, which I think will help speed things up. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:58:11 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Cc: Axiom-Developer On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -6849,20 +6096,15 @@ and load it in the running image at a go. There are still some GCL-isms deeply embedded in Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:24:43 +0100 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > Greg, ->=20 +> > On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: > > ... > > I wrote: @@ -6872,13 +6114,13 @@ Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > > > > > > $ echo $AXIOM > > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win -> >=20 +> > > > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not > > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). > > ->=20 +> > Duh! I should have realized ... thanks. ->=20 +> > You it works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of @@ -6891,26 +6133,17 @@ not tested of course. > Regards, > Bill Page. ->=20 +> > PS. Could you explain the phrase: "Kitten of Death" :-) No :-) It comes from the SBCL banner (on Windows only). -Greg - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gregory Vanuxem'" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:40:11 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOwkt2gTvY12poRr2/rgFyMFWNfAAAQ9Hw -Cc: Camm Maguire, - 'Axiom-Developer' , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) +Cc: Camm Maguire Earlier Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -6924,17 +6157,17 @@ Earlier Gregory Vanuxem wrote: On February 12, 2007 11:25 AM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > ... > Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : -> >=20 +> > > > It works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of > > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? ->=20 +> > No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) > handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). But I added -> some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of=20 +> some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of > GCL. They are not tested of course. ->=20 +> Thanks. I think the GCL main developer Camm Maquire would be strongly motivated to help with ensuring that an ANSI version @@ -6943,25 +6176,17 @@ improve GCL's support for ANSI. As I recall he is away for a few more weeks but we should expect some comment from him on this when he returns. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:30:31 +0100 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 22:29 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > Greg, ->=20 +> > So far I have two problems with axiom-sbcl-win to report: ->=20 +> > 1) The )cd command does not work as expected. Here is an > example with my comments marked ---> @@ -6973,30 +6198,22 @@ but these type of things (and a lot of other from my point of view) need to be "uniformized" and well defined (the API and it's _REAL_ conformance to ANSI CL). -Greg - - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) - <1171297831.3275.10.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 11:26:06 -0600 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 22:29 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : | > Greg, -| >=20 +| > | > So far I have two problems with axiom-sbcl-win to report: -| >=20 +| > | > 1) The )cd command does not work as expected. Here is an | > example with my comments marked ---> -|=20 +| | Thanks for reporting these problems, they are added on my TODO list and | in fact the problem is more complex, we need some functions that | generate correct (portable) pathname. @@ -7005,23 +6222,17 @@ Aim for POSIX -- they already have done the work -- and have tools that convert non-POSIX to POSIX. In essence, that is what MinGW does with the path names. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) - <1171297483.3275.4.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 11:26:50 -0600 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : | > Greg, -| >=20 +| > | > On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: | > > ... | > > I wrote: @@ -7031,54 +6242,44 @@ Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: | > > > | > > > $ echo $AXIOM | > > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win -| > >=20 +| > > | > > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not | > > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). | > > -| >=20 +| > | > Duh! I should have realized ... thanks. -| >=20 +| > | > You it works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward | > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. | > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of | > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? -|=20 +| | No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) | handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). Are those known to GCL developers? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Cliff Yapp - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:27:48 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 02:14 -0500, C Y a =E9crit :=20 +Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 02:14 -0500, C Y a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > > Hello, -> >=20 -> > I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for Windows (= -32 +> > +> > I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for Windows (32 > > bits). ->=20 -> Interesting! Not being a Windows user I can't check this out directly,= -=20 +> +> Interesting! Not being a Windows user I can't check this out directly, > but it is good news. ->=20 -> I have a couple of questions concerning how this has been accomplished,= -=20 +> +> I have a couple of questions concerning how this has been accomplished, > although they may be premature: ->=20 -> 1. You mentioned Juergen Weiss's CMUCL port - did you alter that code=20 -> to run on SBCL or use the techniques there as a guide and convert one o= -f=20 +> +> 1. You mentioned Juergen Weiss's CMUCL port - did you alter that code +> to run on SBCL or use the techniques there as a guide and convert one of > the other trees? I completely based this work on the version of Juergen Weiss. My work @@ -7099,67 +6300,49 @@ factorise, develop and document the code when we will merge changes. I already began to reorganise the code, this is a pain to work on, say stream for example, when the code is disseminated everywhere... ->=20 -> 2. Did you change the boot/SPAD compilers to output SBCL compliant lis= -p=20 +> +> 2. Did you change the boot/SPAD compilers to output SBCL compliant lisp > code, or hand tweak the lisp code produced by the "regular" compile? -No the code (from spad, bootsys boot and old boot) produced by the versio= -n +No the code (from spad, bootsys boot and old boot) produced by the version on which I'm working (presumably the same than the official Axiom)) is compilable and "runnable" by SBCL, CMU [1] and Clisp. ->=20 -> Back when I took a run at SBCL + Axiom, one of the points that became=20 -> quickly clear was that short of carrying through with a complete=20 -> conversion of all boot code to lisp (a long term goal at the moment) or= -=20 -> simply living with hand tweaked translator output for a large number of= -=20 -> files at least the boot compiler and possibly the spad compiler would=20 -> need to be adjusted to output ANSI lisp. I was able to just about load= -=20 -> the stand-alone bootstrap boot->lisp system after some tweaking, but I=20 +> +> Back when I took a run at SBCL + Axiom, one of the points that became +> quickly clear was that short of carrying through with a complete +> conversion of all boot code to lisp (a long term goal at the moment) or +> simply living with hand tweaked translator output for a large number of +> files at least the boot compiler and possibly the spad compiler would +> need to be adjusted to output ANSI lisp. I was able to just about load +> the stand-alone bootstrap boot->lisp system after some tweaking, but I > didn't carry much further than that. ->=20 -> Gaby has proceeded much deeper into the BOOT world than I was ever able= -=20 -> to and the presence of old and new BOOT (shoe?) adds a rather unexpecte= -d=20 -> twist. The prospect of fixing BOTH variations to output correct code i= -s=20 -> not a particularly enjoyable one. My hope was that the new BOOT (shoe)= -=20 -> was the stand alone code in the boot directory, which I suspect would b= -e=20 -> somewhat simpler to get working as the first step in getting sbcl to=20 +> +> Gaby has proceeded much deeper into the BOOT world than I was ever able +> to and the presence of old and new BOOT (shoe?) adds a rather unexpected +> twist. The prospect of fixing BOTH variations to output correct code is +> not a particularly enjoyable one. My hope was that the new BOOT (shoe) +> was the stand alone code in the boot directory, which I suspect would be +> somewhat simpler to get working as the first step in getting sbcl to > support the complete build chain as it exists today in GCL. -Spad, bootsys boot and old boot can be compiled without problem :-). It'= -s really -simple to add support of SBCL, Clisp, CMU and Allegro (though I'm pretty = -sure -some bugs remain) to bootsys.=20 +Spad, bootsys boot and old boot can be compiled without problem +:-). It's really simple to add support of SBCL, Clisp, CMU and Allegro +(though I'm pretty sure some bugs remain) to bootsys. I forgot to say one thing, I have not "ported" the socket code. I need first to better understand some parts of Axiom relative to this. Greg -PS : I have a couple of problems with CMU CL, it can not compile some fun= -ctions -and I don't know why as of now. - - - - +PS : I have a couple of problems with CMU CL, it can not compile some +functions and I don't know why as of now. \start -Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:29:45 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) >From Bill Page: @@ -7260,30 +6443,13 @@ There are, already, a lot of versions of Axiom (gold, silver, build-improvements, wh-sandbox...), I do not want to add yet another one. Don't know how this has to be handled. -Greg - - - - - - - -___________________________________________________________________________ -Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. -http://fr.mail.yahoo.com - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> <1171301268.3361.40.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 11:45:40 -0600 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: [...] @@ -7311,24 +6477,18 @@ be put on a branch... Ah, that one! :-) don't worry about it -- as long as you don't fire up sman and friends. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1171297483.3275.4.camel@ellipse> <87sldbi8x1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:58:03 +0100 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 11:26 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : -> Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > | Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > | > Greg, -> | >=20 +> | > > | > On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: > | > > ... > | > > I wrote: @@ -7338,21 +6498,21 @@ Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 11:26 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > | > > > > | > > > $ echo $AXIOM > | > > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win -> | > >=20 +> | > > > | > > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not > | > > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). > | > > -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Duh! I should have realized ... thanks. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > You it works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > | > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > | > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of > | > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? -> |=20 +> | > | No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) > | handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). ->=20 +> > Are those known to GCL developers? The big problem is to find a simple way to reproduce it, I haven't one. @@ -7363,7 +6523,7 @@ have this bug. The bug is (on 2.6.8): (1) -> )set br query (1) -> 1/0 -=20 + >> Error detected within library code: division by zero @@ -7381,18 +6541,11 @@ I dropped support of GCL, but that does not mean I don't want to support GCL. The code on which I'm working is destined to be included on a version that supports GCL. -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Building Axiom -To: Brent Fulgham Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:18:47 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Brent Fulgham +Subject: Re: Building Axiom Brent Fulgham wrote: > Trying to get Axiom to build on the Mac is pretty frustrating, mainly @@ -7410,16 +6563,10 @@ GCL=/path/to/gcl ../wh-sandbox/configure There is a little catch: last time I chcecked build did not work with ANSI version of GCL. But gcl-2.6.7 and 2.6.8 worked fine. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:43:39 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Bug 312 I would like here to make some remarks concering bug 312. First, @@ -7526,22 +6673,11 @@ revision 19. The change in revision 19 added support for negative integer powers, it is clear that omission of last line was unintentional. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= -Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) - <1171301385.3361.43.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 15:59:31 -0600 -Cc: Axiom-Developer - -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory writes: - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) [...] @@ -7552,23 +6688,18 @@ Vanuxem Gr=E9gory writes: | > > available in the SourceForge SVN repository. I think there may | > > be some people who would be willing to test it further and to | > > contribute changes and improvements. -|=20 +| | There are, already, a lot of versions of Axiom (gold, silver, | build-improvements, wh-sandbox...), I do not want to add yet another | one. Don't know how this has to be handled. The more the merrier. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, regory Vanuxem Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Vanuxem "Grégory" -Cc: Axiom-Developer --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -7595,22 +6726,11 @@ CY P.S. - is http://weitz.de/cl-fad/ of interest for the path issues? For sockets http://common-lisp.net/project/usocket/ might be of interest. - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:48:17 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -7627,18 +6747,11 @@ Boot, but trying to use it results in build failure due to mistranslation. Do you have a tool that can flag places where semantics of Boot and Shoe differ? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:58:14 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Cc: Axiom-Developer On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7675,16 +6788,11 @@ The differences are apparent once we have the table in front of our eyes, and there we can have a warning is we want. For any other construct, I'm not aware of semantics difference. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:02:43 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7725,20 +6833,11 @@ where clause defining three functions: main, build, and exportsOf. main references exportsOf. Shoe renames the three nested functions, but fails to rename reference in main to exportsOf. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:49:41 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> <1171301268.3361.40.camel@ellipse> -Cc: Axiom-Developer Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -7801,17 +6900,10 @@ I'd say usockets and cl-fad might be of interest here (the links I provided in another email) but I don't have enough experience with either to know for sure. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Feb 2007 16:22:43 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: document missing in installation Dear Waldek, @@ -7824,24 +6916,11 @@ Is this only on my machine? Furthermore, it seems that my packages get recompiled in any case, even if I only did a configure to change the prefix. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:18:52 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list - -Hello, +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? I've installed noweb and did @@ -7867,22 +6946,11 @@ Broken at MAPCAR. Type :H for Help. What should I do next? -Thanks in advance, -Andrey - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:36:25 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: list +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: @@ -7915,20 +6983,12 @@ On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: This is a bug in GCL, also reported by Bill. I'll check in a work around for Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:52:32 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source - tree - -Gaby, et al. Every time I download build-improvments on a new machine, I've been thinking about the decision to include gcl and noweb source in the @@ -7962,24 +7022,12 @@ what we should have done is create a new root directory That way, it would be possible to avoid having to pull all the source for gcl and noweb if these are already pre-installed. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:59:50 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: - is it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Andrey G. Grozin: @@ -8034,27 +7082,11 @@ hlet.orig src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet.new The make rule [[bootsys]] is executed through a recursive call to [[$(MAKE)]] -------------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:06:27 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - <20070214105950.8fomj2itt81cso0c@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list - -On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? | Quoting Andrey G. Grozin: | @@ -8095,19 +7127,11 @@ Debina based system only for some of the "-batch -eval" things. Bill, please could you check in your patch? -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:16:51 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: "list" -Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree +Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -8155,17 +7179,11 @@ of the Makefiles, but it is doable. Also we must watch out that people don't forget building and testing --without-gcl and --without-noweb (which will be the common cases). --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:47:16 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: "list" -Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree +Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -8189,40 +7207,34 @@ On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: I should probably add that with SVN, it is possible to branch "only" directories people are interested, not the whole stuff. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:51:57 -0800 (PST) -From: Brent Fulgham -Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page -Cc: "list" - -> The implication though is that when we make a release, we must make=0A> s= -ure gcl and noweb are included. That slightly complicates the logic=0A> of= - the Makefiles, but it is doable. Also we must watch out that=0A> people d= -on't forget building and testing --without-gcl and=0A> --without-noweb (whi= -ch will be the common cases).=0A=0AI don't understand why GCL and Noweb are= - included in the first place. You don't include AWK/SED, GCC, or a variety= - of other tools necessary for building the software.=0A=0AI suppose for GCL= - is was necessary, since Axiom might depend on specifics of the Lisp langua= -ge supported.=0A=0ABut it seems like making 'noweb' a build requirement mig= -ht be an easier approach. And as Axiom migrates to a more ANSI code base y= -ou could remove GCL as well.=0A=0A-Brent=0A=0A=0A +From: Brent Fulgham +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page +Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree +> The implication though is that when we make a release, we must make +> sure gcl and noweb are included. That slightly complicates the logic +> of the Makefiles, but it is doable. Also we must watch out that +> people don't forget building and testing --without-gcl and +> --without-noweb (which will be the common cases). +I don't understand why GCL and Noweb are included in the first place. +You don't include AWK/SED, GCC, or a variety of other tools necessary +for building the software. + +I suppose for GCL is was necessary, since Axiom might depend on +specifics of the Lisp language supported. + +But it seems like making 'noweb' a build requirement might be an +easier approach. And as Axiom migrates to a more ANSI code base you +could remove GCL as well. \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:27:37 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Brent Fulgham -Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree -Cc: "list" +To: Brent Fulgham +Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Brent Fulgham wrote: @@ -8253,19 +7265,12 @@ You suppose right. I don't think the inclusionof GCL was supposed to be forever. It will be however necessary, as long as it isn't standard tool. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:55:42 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet - ---=-woWBO0Huz/dZBbesZ5VY - Hello, I have introduced two bugs in DFLOAT when I sent a patch against @@ -8285,46 +7290,44 @@ PS : Tested on Gold and Build-improvements (should work on Wh-sandbox, I think). My tests were : building from scratch, tracing outputTran and testing all outputting formats (algebra, fortran, tex etc...). ---=-woWBO0Huz/dZBbesZ5VY - --- /home/greg/TDevel/cvs/axiom/src/algebra/sf.spad.pamphlet 2006-04-17 08:= 28:41.000000000 +0200 +++ src/algebra/sf.spad.pamphlet 2007-02-14 12:17:59.000000000 +0100 @@ -846,7 +846,7 @@ ++ (that is, \spad{|(r-f)/f| < b**(-n)}). -=20 - =3D=3D add -- format: String :=3D "~G" -+ format: String :=3D "~A" - MER =3D=3D> Record(MANTISSA:Integer,EXPONENT:Integer) -=20 + + == add +- format: String := "~G" ++ format: String := "~A" + MER ==> Record(MANTISSA:Integer,EXPONENT:Integer) + manexp: % -> MER @@ -914,7 +914,8 @@ - exp1() =3D=3D FLOAT(534625820200,MOST_-POSITIVE_-LONG_-FLOAT$= + exp1() == FLOAT(534625820200,MOST_-POSITIVE_-LONG_-FLOAT$= Lisp)$Lisp / FLOAT(196677847971,MOST_-POSITIVE_-LONG_-FLOAT$Lisp)$Lisp - pi() =3D=3D PI$Lisp - coerce(x:%):OutputForm =3D=3D=20 + pi() == PI$Lisp + coerce(x:%):OutputForm == - outputForm(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,x)$Lisp pretend DoubleFloat) -+ x >=3D 0 =3D> message(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,x)$Lisp pretend String) ++ x >= 0 => message(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,x)$Lisp pretend String) + - (message(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,-x)$Lisp pretend String)) - convert(x:%):InputForm =3D=3D convert(x pretend DoubleFloat)$InputForm - x < y =3D=3D (x>=3D -=20 --(|/VERSIONCHECK| 2)=20 -=20 + + <>= + +-(|/VERSIONCHECK| 2) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1| (|x| |$|) (PROG (|sp| |dev| |s|) (RETURN (SEQ= (LETT |s| "" |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (LETT |sp| (|OM-STRINGTOSTRINGPTR| |s|= ) |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (LETT |dev| (SPADCALL |sp| (SPADCALL (QREFELT |$| = 7)) (QREFELT |$| 10)) |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (SPADCALL |dev| (QREFELT |$| 1= 2)) (SPADCALL |dev| |x| (QREFELT |$| 14)) (SPADCALL |dev| (QREFELT |$| 15))= (SPADCALL |dev| (QREFELT |$| 16)) (LETT |s| (|OM-STRINGPTRTOSTRING| |sp|) = -|DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (EXIT |s|)))))=20 -+(/VERSIONCHECK 2)=20 -=20 +|DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (EXIT |s|))))) 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(|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ACOSH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;59| (|x| |$|) (ACSCH |x|))=20 + + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;59| (|x| |$|) (ACSCH |x|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;atanh;2$;59| (|x| $) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ATANH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 + + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acoth;2$;60| (|x| |$|) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ACOTH |x|) |= -$|))=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ACSCH))=20 -=20 +$|)) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ACSCH)) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;asech;2$;61| (|x| |$|) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ASECH |x|) |= -$|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60| (|x| $) (ACSCH |x|))=20 -=20 --(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;62|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE |/|))=20 +$|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60| (|x| $) (ACSCH |x|)) + +-(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;62|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE |/|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acoth;2$;61| (|x| $) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ACOTH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;62| (|x| |y| |$|) (|/| |x| |y|))=20 + + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;62| (|x| |y| |$|) (|/| |x| |y|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;asech;2$;62| (|x| $) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ASECH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 + + -(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;63|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE MINUSP)= -)=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;63|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE /))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;63| (|x| |$|) (MINUSP |x|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;63| (|x| |y| $) (/ |x| |y|))=20 -=20 --(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP))=20 +) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;63|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE /)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;63| (|x| |$|) (MINUSP |x|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;63| (|x| |y| $) (/ |x| |y|)) + +-(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP)) +(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;64|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE MINUSP)= -)=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64| (|x| |$|) (ZEROP |x|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;64| (|x| $) (MINUSP |x|))=20 -=20 --(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ))=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65| (|x| |$|) (HASHEQ |x|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65| (|x| $) (ZEROP |x|))=20 -=20 +) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64| (|x| |$|) (ZEROP |x|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;64| (|x| $) (MINUSP |x|)) + +-(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ)) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65| (|x| |$|) (HASHEQ |x|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65| (|x| $) (ZEROP |x|)) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;recip;$U;66| (|x| |$|) (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (CONS 1 "failed")= -) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 0 (|/| 1.0 |x|)))))=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;66|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ))=20 -=20 +) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 0 (|/| 1.0 |x|))))) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;66|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ)) + -(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;differentiate;2$;67|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE (XL= -AM 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|x|))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;wholePart;$I;71| (|x| $) (FIX |x|)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;2$;72| (|x| |$|) |x|) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;float;2IPi$;72| (|ma| |ex| |b| $) (* |ma| (EXPT (FLOAT |b| = -MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT) |ex|)))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;$F;73| (|x| |$|) (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT |$| 101)))=20 +MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT) |ex|))) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;$F;73| (|x| |$|) (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT |$| 101))) +(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;convert;2$;73|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE (XLAM (|x= -|) |x|)))=20 -=20 +|) |x|))) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$NniF;74| (|x| |d| |$|) (SPADCALL |x|= - |d| 10 (QREFELT |$| 105)))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;2$;73| (|x| $) |x|)=20 -=20 + |d| 10 (QREFELT |$| 105))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;2$;73| (|x| $) |x|) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;atan;3$;75| (|x| |y| |$|) (PROG (|theta|) (RETURN (SEQ (CON= -D ((|=3D| |x| 0.0) (COND ((|<| 0.0 |y|) (|/| PI 2)) ((|<| |y| 0.0) (|-| (|/= +D ((|=| |x| 0.0) (COND ((|<| 0.0 |y|) (|/| PI 2)) ((|<| |y| 0.0) (|-| (|/= | 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0.0) (QREFELT $ 108))))) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;79| (|x| |$|) (PROG (|n|) (RETURN (SEQ (LET= -T |n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;79|) (EXIT (COND ((|=3D| |x| (FLOAT= +T |n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;79|) (EXIT (COND ((|=| |x| (FLOAT= |n| |MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|)) (CONS 0 |n|)) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 1 "failed"= -))))))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;78| (|x| $) (PROG (#0=3D#:G1524) (RETURN (C= +)))))))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;78| (|x| $) (PROG (#0=#:G1524) (RETURN (C= ONS 0 (SPADCALL |x| (PROG1 (LETT #0# (- (FLOAT-DIGITS 0.0) 1) |DFLOAT;retra= -ctIfCan;$U;78|) (|check-subtype| (>=3D #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)= -) #0#)) (FLOAT-RADIX 0.0) (QREFELT $ 108))))))=20 -=20 +ctIfCan;$U;78|) (|check-subtype| (>= #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)= +) #0#)) (FLOAT-RADIX 0.0) (QREFELT $ 108)))))) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;sign;$I;80| (|x| |$|) (SPADCALL (|FLOAT-SIGN| |x| 1.0) (QRE= -FELT |$| 111)))=20 +FELT |$| 111))) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79| (|x| $) (PROG (|n|) (RETURN (SEQ (LETT |n| (= -FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79|) (EXIT (COND ((=3D |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSI= -TIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) |n|) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "Not an integer"))))))))=20 -=20 +FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79|) (EXIT (COND ((= |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSI= +TIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) |n|) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "Not an integer")))))))) + -(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;abs;2$;81|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE (XLAM (|x|) (= -|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|))))=20 +|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|)))) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80| (|x| $) (PROG (|n|) (RETURN (SEQ (LETT = -|n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80|) (EXIT (COND ((=3D |x| (FLOAT |n|= +|n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80|) (EXIT (COND ((= |x| (FLOAT |n|= MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) (CONS 0 |n|)) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 1 "failed"))))))= -))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;81| (|x| |$|) (|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|))=20 +)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;81| (|x| |$|) (|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;sign;$I;81| (|x| $) (SPADCALL (FLOAT-SIGN |x| 1.0) (QREFELT= 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|DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83| (|f| |d| |b| |$|) (PROG (|= -#G102| |nu| |ex| BASE #1=3D#:G105809 |de| |tol| |#G103| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #= -2=3D#:G105827 |#G104| |#G105| |p0| |p1| |#G106| |#G107| |q0| |q1| |#G108| |= -#G109| |s| |t| #3=3D#:G105825) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G102|= +#G102| |nu| |ex| BASE #1=#:G105809 |de| |tol| |#G103| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #= +2=#:G105827 |#G104| |#G105| |p0| |p1| |#G106| |#G107| |q0| |q1| |#G108| |= +#G109| |s| |t| #3=#:G105825) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G102|= (|DFLOAT;manexp| |f| |$|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT = |nu| (QCAR |#G102|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |ex| (Q= CDR |#G102|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) |#G102|) (LETT BASE = (|FLOAT-RADIX| 0.0) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (EXIT (COND (= (|<| |ex| 0) (SEQ (LETT |de| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #1# (|-| |ex|) |DFLOAT= -;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=3D| #1# 0) (QUOTE (= +;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=| #1# 0) (QUOTE (= |NonNegativeInteger|)) #1#))) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (EX= IT (COND ((|<| |b| 2) (|error| "base must be > 1")) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |= tol| (EXPT |b| |d|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |s| |nu= @@ -8882,11 +7885,11 @@ OAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |s| |#G108| |DFLOAT;rationalApp= roximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |t| |#G109| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2Nn= iF;83|)))) NIL (GO G190) G191 (EXIT NIL))))))))) ((QUOTE T) (SPADCALL (|*| = |nu| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #3# |ex| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;= -83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=3D| #3# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)) #3#))))= - (QREFELT |$| 119))))))) #2# (EXIT #2#)))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;82| (|x| $) (FLOAT-SIGN 1.0 |x|))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;84| (|x| |r| |$|) (PROG (|n| |d| #1=3D#:G105837) (RE= +83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=| #3# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)) #3#))))= + (QREFELT |$| 119))))))) #2# (EXIT #2#))))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;82| (|x| $) (FLOAT-SIGN 1.0 |x|)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;84| (|x| |r| |$|) (PROG (|n| |d| #1=#:G105837) (RE= TURN (SEQ (EXIT (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (COND ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT |$| 120)) = (|error| "0**0 is undefined")) ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT |$| 121)) (|error| "= division by 0")) ((QUOTE T) 0.0))) ((OR (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT |$| 120)) (S= @@ -8899,8 +7902,8 @@ F$;84|) (GO #1#))) ((QUOTE T) (PROGN (LETT #1# (SPADCALL (|-| |x|) |r| (QRE= FELT |$| 126)) |DFLOAT;**;$F$;84|) (GO #1#))))) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "negati= ve root")))) ((EQL |d| 2) (EXPT (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT |$| 54)) |n|)) ((QUO= TE T) (SPADCALL |x| (|/| (FLOAT |n| |MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|) (FLOAT |d| = -|MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|)) (QREFELT |$| 57))))))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#)))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;manexp| (|x| $) (PROG (|s| #0=3D#:G1545 |me| |two53|) (RETU= +|MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|)) (QREFELT |$| 57))))))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#))))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;manexp| (|x| $) (PROG (|s| #0=#:G1545 |me| |two53|) (RETU= RN (SEQ (EXIT (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (CONS 0 0)) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |s| (SPA= DCALL |x| (QREFELT $ 117)) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (LETT |x| (FLOAT-SIGN 1.0 |x|) = |DFLOAT;manexp|) (COND ((< MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT |x|) (PROGN (LETT #0# (= @@ -8909,24 +7912,24 @@ CALL MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT (QREFELT $ 28))) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (GO #0#))))= (LETT |me| (MANEXP |x|) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (LETT |two53| (EXPT (FLOAT-RADIX = 0.0) (FLOAT-DIGITS 0.0)) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (EXIT (CONS (* |s| (FIX (* |two53= | (QCAR |me|)))) (- (QCDR |me|) (FLOAT-DIGITS 0.0)))))))) #0# (EXIT #0#))))= -)=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#1=3D#:G105850) (RETURN = +) + +-(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#1=#:G105850) (RETURN = (COND ((LETT #1# (HGET |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)) |DoubleFl= oat|) (|CDRwithIncrement| (CDAR #1#))) ((QUOTE T) (|UNWIND-PROTECT| (PROG1 = (CDDAR (HPUT |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (LIST (CONS NIL (CON= S 1 (|DoubleFloat;|)))))) (LETT #1# T |DoubleFloat|)) (COND ((NOT #1#) (HRE= -M |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|))))))))))))=20 +M |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)))))))))))) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84| (|f| |d| |b| $) (PROG (|#G= -103| |nu| |ex| BASE #0=3D#:G1548 |de| |tol| |#G104| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #1=3D= +103| |nu| |ex| BASE #0=#:G1548 |de| |tol| |#G104| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #1== #:G1566 |#G105| |#G106| |p0| |p1| |#G107| |#G108| |q0| |q1| |#G109| |#G110|= - |s| |t| #2=3D#:G1564) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G103| (|DFLOA= + |s| |t| #2=#:G1564) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G103| (|DFLOA= T;manexp| |f| $) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |nu| (QCAR= |#G103|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |ex| (QCDR |#G103= |) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) |#G103|) (LETT BASE (FLOAT-RAD= IX 0.0) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (EXIT (COND ((< |ex| 0) (= SEQ (LETT |de| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #0# (- |ex|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproxi= -mation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>=3D #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeIntege= +mation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>= #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeIntege= r|)) #0#))) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (EXIT (COND ((< |b| 2= ) (|error| "base must be > 1")) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |tol| (EXPT |b| |d|) = |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |s| |nu| |DFLOAT;rationalAp= @@ -8954,18 +7957,18 @@ $2NniF;84|)) (EXIT (PROGN (LETT |#G109| |t| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$= T |s| |#G109| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |t| |#G110| |= DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|)))) NIL (GO G190) G191 (EXIT NIL)))= )))))) ((QUOTE T) (SPADCALL (* |nu| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #2# |ex| |DFLOA= -T;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>=3D #2# 0) (QUOTE (|= -NonNegativeInteger|)) #2#)))) (QREFELT $ 122))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#)))))=20 -=20 +T;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>= #2# 0) (QUOTE (|= +NonNegativeInteger|)) #2#)))) (QREFELT $ 122))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#))))) + -(DEFUN |DoubleFloat;| NIL (PROG (|dv$| |$| |pv$|) (RETURN (PROGN (LETT |dv= -$| (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #1=3D(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT |$| (GETREFV 140) = +$| (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #1=(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT |$| (GETREFV 140) = . #1#) (QSETREFV |$| 0 |dv$|) (QSETREFV |$| 3 (LETT |pv$| (|buildPredVector= | 0 0 NIL) . #1#)) (|haddProp| |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) NI= -L (CONS 1 |$|)) (|stuffDomainSlots| |$|) |$|))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85| (|x| |r| $) (PROG (|n| |d| #0=3D#:G1575) (RETURN= +L (CONS 1 |$|)) (|stuffDomainSlots| |$|) |$|)))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85| (|x| |r| $) (PROG (|n| |d| #0=#:G1575) (RETURN= (SEQ (EXIT (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (COND ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 123)) (|erro= r| "0**0 is undefined")) ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 124)) (|error| "division= - by 0")) ((QUOTE T) 0.0))) ((OR (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 123)) (=3D |x| 1.0= + by 0")) ((QUOTE T) 0.0))) ((OR (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 123)) (= |x| 1.0= )) 1.0) ((QUOTE T) (COND ((SPADCALL |r| (|spadConstant| $ 125) (QREFELT $ 1= 26)) |x|) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |n| (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 127)) |DFLOAT;= **;$F$;85|) (LETT |d| (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 128)) |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85|) (E= @@ -8975,8 +7978,8 @@ XIT (COND ((MINUSP |x|) (COND ((ODDP |d|) (COND ((ODDP |n|) (PROGN (LETT #0= ;**;$F$;85|) (GO #0#))))) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "negative root")))) ((EQL |d|= 2) (EXPT (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT $ 57)) |n|)) ((QUOTE T) (SPADCALL |x| (/ (= FLOAT |n| MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT) (FLOAT |d| MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) (= -QREFELT $ 60))))))))))) #0# (EXIT #0#)))))=20 -=20 +QREFELT $ 60))))))))))) #0# (EXIT #0#))))) + -(MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE |infovec|) (LIST (QUOTE #(NIL NIL N= IL NIL NIL NIL (|OpenMathEncoding|) (0 . |OMencodingXML|) (|String|) (|Open= MathDevice|) (4 . |OMopenString|) (|Void|) (10 . |OMputObject|) (|DoubleFlo= @@ -8991,7 +7994,7 @@ One;$;15|) |$|)) |DFLOAT;exp1;$;16| |DFLOAT;pi;$;17| (|OutputForm|) (37 . |= outputForm|) |DFLOAT;coerce;$Of;18| (|InputForm|) (42 . |convert|) |DFLOAT;= convert;$If;19| |DFLOAT;<;2$B;20| |DFLOAT;-;2$;21| |DFLOAT;+;3$;22| |DFLOAT= ;-;3$;23| |DFLOAT;*;3$;24| |DFLOAT;*;I2$;25| |DFLOAT;max;3$;26| |DFLOAT;min= -;3$;27| |DFLOAT;=3D;2$B;28| |DFLOAT;/;$I$;29| |DFLOAT;sqrt;2$;30| |DFLOAT;l= +;3$;27| |DFLOAT;=;2$B;28| |DFLOAT;/;$I$;29| |DFLOAT;sqrt;2$;30| |DFLOAT;l= og10;2$;31| |DFLOAT;**;$I$;32| |DFLOAT;**;3$;33| |DFLOAT;coerce;I$;34| |DFL= OAT;exp;2$;35| |DFLOAT;log;2$;36| |DFLOAT;sin;2$;38| |DFLOAT;cos;2$;39| |DF= LOAT;tan;2$;40| |DFLOAT;cot;2$;41| |DFLOAT;sec;2$;42| |DFLOAT;csc;2$;43| |D= @@ -9018,7 +8021,7 @@ tor| |$|)) (|Record| (|:| |coef1| |$|) (|:| |coef2| |$|)) (|Union| 133 (QUO= TE "failed")) (|Record| (|:| |quotient| |$|) (|:| |remainder| |$|)) (|Recor= d| (|:| |coef| 131) (|:| |generator| |$|)) (|SparseUnivariatePolynomial| |$= |) (|Record| (|:| |unit| |$|) (|:| |canonical| |$|) (|:| |associate| |$|)) = -(|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(|~=3D| 114 |zero?| 120 |wholePart| 125 |unitNo= +(|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(|~=| 114 |zero?| 120 |wholePart| 125 |unitNo= rmal| 130 |unitCanonical| 135 |unit?| 140 |truncate| 145 |tanh| 150 |tan| 1= 55 |subtractIfCan| 160 |squareFreePart| 166 |squareFree| 171 |sqrt| 176 |si= zeLess?| 181 |sinh| 187 |sin| 192 |sign| 197 |sech| 202 |sec| 207 |sample| = @@ -9035,8 +8038,8 @@ ressIdealMember| 468 |exponent| 474 |exp1| 479 |exp| 483 |euclideanSize| 48= tic| 594 |ceiling| 598 |bits| 603 |base| 607 |atanh| 611 |atan| 616 |associ= ates?| 627 |asinh| 633 |asin| 638 |asech| 643 |asec| 648 |acsch| 653 |acsc|= 658 |acoth| 663 |acot| 668 |acosh| 673 |acos| 678 |abs| 683 |^| 688 |Zero|= - 706 |One| 710 |OMwrite| 714 |Gamma| 738 D 743 |Beta| 754 |>=3D| 760 |>| 76= -6 |=3D| 772 |<=3D| 778 |<| 784 |/| 790 |-| 802 |+| 813 |**| 819 |*| 849)) (= + 706 |One| 710 |OMwrite| 714 |Gamma| 738 D 743 |Beta| 754 |>=| 760 |>| 76= +6 |=| 772 |<=| 778 |<| 784 |/| 790 |-| 802 |+| 813 |**| 819 |*| 849)) (= QUOTE ((|approximate| . 0) (|canonicalsClosed| . 0) (|canonicalUnitNormal| = . 0) (|noZeroDivisors| . 0) ((|commutative| "*") . 0) (|rightUnitary| . 0) = (|leftUnitary| . 0) (|unitsKnown| . 0))) (CONS (|makeByteWordVec2| 1 (QUOTE= @@ -9095,19 +8098,19 @@ o| 13) (|BasicType|) (|CoercibleTo| 38))) (|makeByteWordVec2| 139 (QUOTE (0= 53 2 0 0 0 0 85 2 0 0 0 0 47 1 0 0 0 45 2 0 0 0 0 46 2 0 0 0 0 57 2 0 0 0 = 103 126 2 0 0 0 24 56 2 0 0 0 104 1 2 0 0 0 22 1 2 0 0 0 103 1 2 0 0 103 0 = 1 2 0 0 0 0 48 2 0 0 24 0 49 2 0 0 104 0 1 2 0 0 22 0 29)))))) (QUOTE |look= -upComplete|)))=20 -+(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#0=3D#:G1588) (RETURN (C= +upComplete|))) ++(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#0=#:G1588) (RETURN (C= OND ((LETT #0# (HGET |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)) |DoubleFloa= t|) (|CDRwithIncrement| (CDAR #0#))) ((QUOTE T) (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROG1 (CDD= AR (HPUT |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (LIST (CONS NIL (CONS 1 = (|DoubleFloat;|)))))) (LETT #0# T |DoubleFloat|)) (COND ((NOT #0#) (HREM |$= -ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|))))))))))))=20 +ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)))))))))))) + +(DEFUN |DoubleFloat;| NIL (PROG (|dv$| $ |pv$|) (RETURN (PROGN (LETT |dv$|= - (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #0=3D(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT $ (GETREFV 143) . #0= + (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #0=(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT $ (GETREFV 143) . #0= #) (QSETREFV $ 0 |dv$|) (QSETREFV $ 3 (LETT |pv$| (|buildPredVector| 0 0 NI= L) . #0#)) (|haddProp| |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) NIL (CONS = -1 $)) (|stuffDomainSlots| $) (QSETREFV $ 6 "~A") $))))=20 +1 $)) (|stuffDomainSlots| $) (QSETREFV $ 6 "~A") $)))) + +(MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE |infovec|) (LIST (QUOTE #(NIL NIL N= IL NIL NIL NIL (QUOTE |format|) (|String|) |DFLOAT;doubleFloatFormat;2S;1| = @@ -9123,7 +8126,7 @@ IDENTITY (FUNCALL (|dispatchFunction| |DFLOAT;One;$;16|) $)) |DFLOAT;exp1;$= ;17| |DFLOAT;pi;$;18| (|OutputForm|) (37 . |message|) (42 . -) |DFLOAT;coer= ce;$Of;19| (|InputForm|) (47 . |convert|) |DFLOAT;convert;$If;20| |DFLOAT;<= ;2$B;21| |DFLOAT;-;2$;22| |DFLOAT;+;3$;23| |DFLOAT;-;3$;24| |DFLOAT;*;3$;25= -| |DFLOAT;*;I2$;26| |DFLOAT;max;3$;27| |DFLOAT;min;3$;28| |DFLOAT;=3D;2$B;2= +| |DFLOAT;*;I2$;26| |DFLOAT;max;3$;27| |DFLOAT;min;3$;28| |DFLOAT;=;2$B;2= 9| |DFLOAT;/;$I$;30| |DFLOAT;sqrt;2$;31| |DFLOAT;log10;2$;32| |DFLOAT;**;$I= $;33| |DFLOAT;**;3$;34| |DFLOAT;coerce;I$;35| |DFLOAT;exp;2$;36| |DFLOAT;lo= g;2$;37| |DFLOAT;sin;2$;39| |DFLOAT;cos;2$;40| |DFLOAT;tan;2$;41| |DFLOAT;c= @@ -9143,14 +8146,14 @@ oximation;$NniF;75| |DFLOAT;atan;3$;76| |DFLOAT;retract;$F;77| (|Union| 106= (QUOTE "failed")) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;78| |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79| (|Uni= on| 26 (QUOTE "failed")) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80| |DFLOAT;sign;$I;81| |D= FLOAT;abs;2$;82| (68 . |Zero|) (72 . /) (78 . *) (84 . |coerce|) (89 . |zer= -o?|) (94 . |negative?|) (99 . |One|) (103 . =3D) (109 . |numer|) (114 . |de= +o?|) (94 . |negative?|) (99 . |One|) (103 . =) (109 . |numer|) (114 . |de= nom|) |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85| (|PatternMatchResult| 103 $) (|Pattern| 103) (|Fac= tored| $) (|Union| 134 (QUOTE "failed")) (|List| $) (|Record| (|:| |coef1| = $) (|:| |coef2| $) (|:| |generator| $)) (|Record| (|:| |coef1| $) (|:| |coe= f2| $)) (|Union| 136 (QUOTE "failed")) (|Record| (|:| |quotient| $) (|:| |r= emainder| $)) (|Record| (|:| |coef| 134) (|:| |generator| $)) (|SparseUniva= riatePolynomial| $) (|Record| (|:| |unit| $) (|:| |canonical| $) (|:| |asso= -ciate| $)) (|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(~=3D 119 |zero?| 125 |wholePart| 13= +ciate| $)) (|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(~= 119 |zero?| 125 |wholePart| 13= 0 |unitNormal| 135 |unitCanonical| 140 |unit?| 145 |truncate| 150 |tanh| 15= 5 |tan| 160 |subtractIfCan| 165 |squareFreePart| 171 |squareFree| 176 |sqrt= | 181 |sizeLess?| 186 |sinh| 192 |sin| 197 |sign| 202 |sech| 207 |sec| 212 = @@ -9168,7 +8171,7 @@ rt| 554 |coerce| 574 |characteristic| 604 |ceiling| 608 |bits| 613 |base| 6= 17 |atanh| 621 |atan| 626 |associates?| 637 |asinh| 643 |asin| 648 |asech| = 653 |asec| 658 |acsch| 663 |acsc| 668 |acoth| 673 |acot| 678 |acosh| 683 |a= cos| 688 |abs| 693 ^ 698 |Zero| 716 |One| 720 |OMwrite| 724 |Gamma| 748 D 7= -53 |Beta| 764 >=3D 770 > 776 =3D 782 <=3D 788 < 794 / 800 - 812 + 823 ** 82= +53 |Beta| 764 >= 770 > 776 = 782 <= 788 < 794 / 800 - 812 + 823 ** 82= 9 * 859)) (QUOTE ((|approximate| . 0) (|canonicalsClosed| . 0) (|canonicalU= nitNormal| . 0) (|noZeroDivisors| . 0) ((|commutative| "*") . 0) (|rightUni= tary| . 0) (|leftUnitary| . 0) (|unitsKnown| . 0))) (CONS (|makeByteWordVec= @@ -9227,25 +8230,19 @@ ractableTo| 106) (|RetractableTo| 26) (|ConvertibleTo| 103) (|ConvertibleTo= 0 0 1 2 0 20 0 0 47 2 0 0 0 26 56 2 0 0 0 0 88 2 0 0 0 0 50 1 0 0 0 48 2 0 = 0 0 0 49 2 0 0 0 0 60 2 0 0 0 106 129 2 0 0 0 26 59 2 0 0 0 107 1 2 0 0 0 2= 4 1 2 0 0 0 106 1 2 0 0 106 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 51 2 0 0 26 0 52 2 0 0 107 0 1 2 = -0 0 24 0 31)))))) (QUOTE |lookupComplete|)))=20 -=20 - (MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE NILADIC) T)=20 +0 0 24 0 31)))))) (QUOTE |lookupComplete|))) + + (MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE NILADIC) T) + @ \section{License} - <>=3D - ---=-woWBO0Huz/dZBbesZ5VY-- - - - - + <>= \start -Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:17:10 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet Le jeudi 15 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 22:55 +0100, Gregory Vanuxem a =E9crit : @@ -9258,19 +8255,11 @@ I forgot one thing, GCL adds something like "Starts dribbling to test.axiom (2007/2/15, 23:13:40)" in the output file so this suggestion does not help. -Greg - - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:56:20 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Hello, @@ -9384,20 +8373,12 @@ done ----------------------------------------------- --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp ---0-279212549-1171612038=:61325 - I hesitate to say it's useful, but I have what appears to be a (more or less) working notangle command in lisp. It successfully handles a couple test files, and although I haven't inspected the results it @@ -9966,22 +8947,12 @@ bXBobGV0LWZpbGUgZmlsZWlubmFtZSkKICAod3JpdGUtb3V0cHV0LWZpbGUg ZmlsZW91dG5hbWUgY2h1bmtuYW1lKQogIChjbHJoYXNoICpjaHVuay1oYXNo LXRhYmxlKikp ---0-279212549-1171612038=:61325-- - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:04:28 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - <20070214105950.8fomj2itt81cso0c@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Andrey G. Grozin: @@ -10017,17 +8988,11 @@ Broken at MAPCAR. Type :H for Help. Maybe, changes of this kind are needed in several places? -Thanks, -Andrey - - - \start -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:44:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp > I hesitate to say it's useful, but I have what appears to be a (more or > less) working notangle command in lisp. It successfully handles a @@ -10075,20 +9040,11 @@ pamphlets is still slow (takes 0.4s on "nag-e02.boot.pamphlet"). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - ---0-631001030-1171634586=:41236 +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10679,32 +9635,22 @@ YWQtcGFtcGhsZXQtZmlsZSBmaWxlaW5uYW1lKQogICh3cml0ZS1vdXRwdXQt ZmlsZSBmaWxlb3V0bmFtZSBjaHVua25hbWUpCiAgKGNscmhhc2ggKmNodW5r LWhhc2gtdGFibGUqKSk= ---0-631001030-1171634586=:41236-- - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:10:25 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -Cc: list Hi Cliff, Wouldn't it make sense to contact the Texmacs people whether they would want some literate programming support. Or has Texmacs LP support already? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:59:38 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp That's a good question. I don't know if they support it - I'll have to check tonight. At the moment I can't compile TeXmacs for some reason @@ -10727,58 +9673,44 @@ CY > Wouldn't it make sense to contact the Texmacs people whether they > would want some literate programming support. Or has Texmacs LP > support already? -> -> Ralf -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Never Miss an Email -Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail - - \start -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:59:15 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp Le vendredi 16 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 13:44 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit := -=20 + > > I hesitate to say it's useful, but I have what appears to be a (more = or > > less) working notangle command in lisp. It successfully handles a > > couple test files, and although I haven't inspected the results it -> > handled most of the contents of boot and interp without crashing.=20 -> > Unfortunately it's performance is worse than abysmal. =20 ->=20 +> > handled most of the contents of boot and interp without crashing. +> > Unfortunately it's performance is worse than abysmal. +> > Your method of appending content to a chunk was quadratic. Below > is a diff changing this to linear method, gives much better speed (at > least on "nag-e02.boot.pamphlet") but still much slower than Debian > notangle (0.48s sbcl, 0.028s system version). AFAICS reading > pamphlets is still slow (takes 0.4s on "nag-e02.boot.pamphlet"). ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > --- cl-notangle.lisp.pamphlet 2007-02-16 11:57:23.000000000 +0100 > +++ cl-notangle.lisp.pamphlet 2007-02-16 13:03:47.000000000 +0100 > @@ -365,13 +365,21 @@ -> =20 -> <>=3D +> +> <>= > (defun read-in-chunk (curr-chunk-name filename) > - (let ((nextline (read-line filename nil))) -> - (if (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline))=20 +> - (if (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline)) > - (search (concatenate 'string (string #\") endchunkchars) -> - nextline))=20 +> - nextline)) > - (progn > - (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name nextline) > - (read-in-chunk curr-chunk-name filename))))) > + (let ((lines nil)) -> + (loop for nextline =3D (read-line filename nil) +> + (loop for nextline = (read-line filename nil) > + while (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline)) > + (search (concatenate 'string (string #\") endch= unkchars) @@ -10791,35 +9723,29 @@ unkchars) > + (progn > + (pop lines) > + (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name -> + (apply #'concatenate 'string=20 +> + (apply #'concatenate 'string > + (reverse lines))))))) And another one (it does not remove the last #\Newline): (defun read-in-chunk (curr-chunk-name filename) (let* ((nl (string #\Newline)) - (lines (loop for nextline =3D (read-line filename nil) + (lines (loop for nextline = (read-line filename nil) while (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline)) - (search (concatenate 'string (string #\")=20 + (search (concatenate 'string (string #\") endchunkchars) nextline)) collect (concatenate 'string nextline nl)))) - (if lines=20 - (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name=20 - (apply #'concatenate 'string=20 + (if lines + (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name + (apply #'concatenate 'string lines))))) Only tested on nag-e02.boot.pamphlet with SBCL. -Greg - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:24:57 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: lisp noweb speed issue @@ -10828,16 +9754,11 @@ Use read-sequence instead. The improvement is noticeable. See -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:10:15 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -Cc: list On 02/16/2007 03:59 PM, C Y wrote: > That's a good question. I don't know if they support it - I'll have to @@ -10866,17 +9787,11 @@ and also (and in particular) for the literate programming way of writing Well, I thought you in particular could trace that bug somehow. Unfortunately, I cannot do serious things in LISP. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > The Emacs mode is nice but that syntax highlighting problem is @@ -10898,25 +9813,11 @@ much work anyway to figure out how to handle this.) Well, I can't either ;-). No point in letting that stop me though - given enough head banging you can punch a hole in a brick wall :-). -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love -(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lisp noweb speed issue -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: I'll take a look at read-sequence this weekend and see if I can figure it out. @@ -10943,39 +9844,12 @@ CY > Use read-sequence instead. The improvement is noticeable. > > See -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -It's here! Your new message! -Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - \start -To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - <20070214105950.8fomj2itt81cso0c@webmail.anikast.ca> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Feb 2007 04:31:05 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Andrey G. Grozin +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? Andrey G. Grozin writes: @@ -11008,16 +9882,11 @@ Andrey G. Grozin writes: I just finished a build with Bill's patch -- there was only one glitch: there was a missing closing paren. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:53:16 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:53:16 +0100 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -11032,18 +9901,11 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: PLEASE PLEASE DO. In fact, since you say that mmm is roughly dead, maybe you could resurrect it? It is a wunderful thing, apart from those glitches... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:55:52 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp - <9qbqjtop5f.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Hello Cliff, @@ -11068,15 +9930,10 @@ If you or some other on this mailing list could find the bug in mmm-mode that would really be wonderful. Martin and me could probably put together a demonstration file for this syntax-highlighting problem. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:03:27 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: lisp lisp noweb speed issue > is this something you think can be used in Axiom? @@ -11093,18 +9950,12 @@ Your opinions may vary. the shell pipe of data from process to process. (my work pamphlet is now 6M lines, (4k pages of doc, 67k lines of lisp)) -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp lisp noweb speed issue - --- Tim Daly wrote: > > is this something you think can be used in Axiom? @@ -11156,24 +10007,11 @@ with noweb on that really large file? I'm sure the read commands will be a killer but it shouldn't be piping data around, at least. (Dunno if it works in GCL, I've only tested it on sbcl). -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -11200,25 +10038,11 @@ to say. I've seen it before on the $ symbol, in Emacs. I'll have a look and see what can be done, but it may be a slow process. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start +Date: 16 Feb 2007 23:21:46 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: pamphlets -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 16 Feb 2007 23:21:46 +0100 -Cc: list Dear all, @@ -11252,16 +10076,10 @@ ALLPROSE, and it proved *very* convenient. Note that aldor-combinat is *not* a small project. I did use ALLPROSE also for very small projects, by the way. It just works. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Feb 2007 23:23:30 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Summer of code I just came across @@ -11273,19 +10091,11 @@ So, who is going to prepare the application for google SOC? If nobody volonteers, I'll do it. I'd propose a HyperDoc replacement using the ALLPROSE format. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:00:53 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: pamphlets - <9qzm7dzqth.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear all, @@ -11321,18 +10131,11 @@ l.148 ...YVERSION}}\\{{projectname}{projectname}}} Do I need to tweak a texmf.cnf setting or some such? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Feb 2007 17:16:43 -0600 -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net, list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11367,17 +10170,11 @@ tree as of 2006-12-26. I never committed it because there was a small catch -- which I can't explain right now because I don't have all the elements handy :-( Good to see someone is catching on :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:36:30 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: pamphlets - <45D637A5.6060600@yahoo.com> -Cc: list >> make colored dvi @@ -11406,17 +10203,11 @@ could be the reason for this strange error message.) Try first srcltx and then packaged-allprose. Then let me know. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:40:11 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11452,12 +10243,6 @@ I have checked that resulting Lisp (output from depsys and interpsys) is identical (modulo gensymed names) so the patch works reasonably, but there is still risk of bugs in rarely used code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:04:01 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp @@ -11491,14 +10276,11 @@ that chunks are avoided: That sounds like the ticket, now to figure out how to use it! - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:10:37 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet > Hello, > @@ -11522,12 +10304,6 @@ Cc: Axiom-Developer Included now in wh-sandbox (the Lisp part was not needed, since wh-sandbox now contains no algebra bootstrap Lisp). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -11680,25 +10456,12 @@ incorrect?"))))) (write-output-file fileoutname chunkname) (clrhash *chunk-hash-table*)) - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Cliff Yapp, list -Cc: +To: list Subject: Minor cleanup on working version ---0-2090592225-1171758151=:52761 - Forgot to add Waldek's name to the lisp level copyright notice. Also changed the exception for the end-of-chunk-body character to look for it not in the first column, rather than for a double quite before it @@ -11706,15 +10469,6 @@ it not in the first column, rather than for a double quite before it v0.3 attached. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love -(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 --0-2090592225-1171758151=:52761 XGRvY3VtZW50Y2xhc3N7YXJ0aWNsZX0gClx1c2VwYWNrYWdle2F4aW9tfQpc @@ -12120,16 +10874,10 @@ IGZpbGVpbm5hbWUpCiAgKHdyaXRlLW91dHB1dC1maWxlIGZpbGVvdXRuYW1l IGNodW5rbmFtZSkKICAoY2xyaGFzaCAqY2h1bmstaGFzaC10YWJsZSopKQpA CgpcZW5ke2RvY3VtZW50fQo= ---0-2090592225-1171758151=:52761-- - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:04:32 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <45D7C240.1040908@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: MathML package I've posted my MathML package on SandBoxMathML. @@ -12139,16 +10887,11 @@ patch Axiom so it can be built with mathml as a new output form. There are also a few files to help with viewing the output in Firefox. -Arthur Ralfs - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:43:22 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle > I have tried to use read-sequence to load a file quickly, which works > fine, but I'm afraid I haven't done too well with the problem of @@ -12380,21 +11123,11 @@ Code follows: :end (nth 1 seg)))))) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:50:03 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - - ---- Waldek Hebisch wrote: +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle > Fast way to scan strings is to use finite automaton. The code below > shows how this can be done in Lisp. @@ -12533,30 +11266,11 @@ made it this far), how much work do you think is involved with setting up the full polished system? Also, can you recommend some background reading on the technique you're describing? -Cheers, and thanks! - -CY - - - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: MathML package Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:08:36 -0500 - charset="US-ASCII" -Thread-Index: AcdTCV/Gq7vaSMo2QIWYLTKq6b04EgAFO0Ug -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: MathML package On February 17, 2007 10:05 PM Arthur Ralfs wrote: @@ -12592,18 +11306,11 @@ PS. You might notice that I added your mathml.spad pamphlet as a page on the Wiki (see link on left sidebar of SandBoxMathML) so now you can see the documentation and code online. - - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:17:18 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: MathML package To: Bill Page -Message-id: <45D80B8E.3030505@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: MathML package Bill Page wrote: > Arthur, @@ -12655,16 +11362,11 @@ display="block"> -Arthur - - - \start +Date: 18 Feb 2007 03:19:11 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 Feb 2007 03:19:11 -0600 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -12681,16 +11383,11 @@ of algebras and noweb is invoked on all files. I don't want to slow down more the build. Yes, this is religious issue, but it takes too long to build Axiom, which slows down the patch-build-test cycle. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -12735,25 +11432,11 @@ source files which I've not yet tried. I guess another question is whether Axiom is set up so that ./configure can build only noweb and nothing else on request. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Do you Yahoo!? -Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -http://new.mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:28:33 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -Cc: list On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12764,15 +11447,10 @@ On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, C Y wrote: make all-noweb --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:50:10 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: GCC/GCL warning messages Camm, @@ -12794,17 +11472,11 @@ thing thus: x = (yourcast)(void *)thing -Tim - - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:19:49 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle Below is a newer version of CL notangle, this time handling recursive references. There are still significant differences compared to @@ -13075,19 +11747,11 @@ non-ANSI interpreter chokes on 'defclass'). :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) (write-chunk buff name out-file)))) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:01:48 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -Cc: list Unforunately, I am a lisp illiterate. :-( So I don't even know how to start your program on test files. So I would like to give a little @@ -13156,16 +11820,12 @@ z := h @ ---END aaa.spad.pamphlet - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: notangle - (changing the subject since it's no longer true ;-) --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -13232,24 +11892,11 @@ trying to be "modern". Cheers, and thanks again for some really excellent work! -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. -Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:13:52 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Unforunately, I am a lisp illiterate. :-( So I don't even know how to @@ -13361,20 +12008,11 @@ both <> and <> change h without any hint about such possibility in <>. I find such practice _very_ bad for readability. - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:37:19 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -Cc: axiom-dev > First I have noticed that notangle behaves in rather inconsitent > way. @@ -13493,16 +12131,12 @@ for root in nonNegativeIntegerRoots repeat { Anyway, I don't claim that I know the best way to write literate programs. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 18 Feb 2007 17:26:37 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 Feb 2007 17:26:37 -0600 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire Tim Daly writes: @@ -13535,17 +12169,11 @@ That makes perfect sense. Why would you think it is nonsense? Instead of papering over the incorrectness, I would suggest to fix it. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:45:49 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: No progress on notangle - <45D8D51F.1040902@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf, I take it what you expect, based on your example, is that notangle will "fill in" the pile spacing used by each @@ -13570,16 +12198,10 @@ to use it to try and make asdf load pamphlet files transparently. the time you've put into this and I for one have learned something from it :) -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:52:48 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: notangle C Y wrote: @@ -13698,19 +12320,11 @@ Yes, defstruct should be enough. 'read-sequence' (and I guess also 'write-sequence') causes more problems, because performance depends on it. For gcl we probably must provide our own (calling C) versions. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:26:10 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: No progress on notangle - <45D8D51F.1040902@hemmecke.de> <45D8E52D.1040402@yahoo.com> -Cc: axiom-dev On 02/19/2007 12:45 AM, C Y wrote: > Ralf, I take it what you expect, based on your example, is @@ -13783,16 +12397,11 @@ prefixed by cs. But generally the indentation with -L is *exactly* as in the original source i.e. the .pamphlet/.nw file. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:41:44 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle > > First I have noticed that notangle behaves in rather inconsitent > > way. @@ -13896,17 +12505,10 @@ That would be less flexible that notangle because of need for explicit parameter passing, but at least for me having explicit parameters (and explicit scopes) makes text more readable. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:25:41 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: notangle Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -13938,17 +12540,10 @@ Common Lisp spec? Is it just that GCL hasn't implemented it yet? Of course it's not so critical since we aren't running on the ANSI image yet anyway.) -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 Feb 2007 12:15:07 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: status of windows version Dear all, @@ -13965,20 +12560,12 @@ available under windows? I guess wh-sandbox does not run under windows? (Bill said, build-improvements does...) -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:31:30 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdUF0TiHchkVjlgQYeA7JiNXUw3fAAF9ysg -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch On February 19, 2007 6:15 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -14023,22 +12610,14 @@ with the wh-sandbox branch. If they could do that, I think it would form a very good basis for a new Axiom Silver distribution. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: status of windows version -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 19 Feb 2007 09:24:39 -0600 -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -14058,19 +12637,12 @@ discuss before we consider it basis for Axiom Silver. That discussion surely would be long and intense; so I would prefer Waldek works more on it before we get to that point. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: status of windows version -To: Bill Page, - Martin Rubey -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -14098,29 +12670,14 @@ emacs build fixed it but I doubt we would want to distribute that.) Unfortunately, I don't have access to a Windows box so I'm not much help on this issue :-(. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start -Subject: Re: status of windows version -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:19:46 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: status of windows version Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -14175,19 +12732,11 @@ are some costs, for example new algebra bootstrap takes more time than the old one. I feel reasonably confident that changes I made work correctly so if I was making a release I would include them. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:32:35 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: status of windows version -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -14206,14 +12755,10 @@ I'm nervous about code removal when I have not understood beyond "it is dead code". It does not mean I'm opposed to it. I'm saying I'd like to understand why the code is removed. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:05:19 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Lisp comparator Below is a little utility that I use to compare Lisp files produced @@ -14314,20 +12859,10 @@ exec /usr/bin/sbcl --noinform --noprint \ (return-from compare-files nil)))) (not l2))) - - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:47:06 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp, Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: lisp speedups Another technique that significantly improves the speed of lisp @@ -14389,15 +12924,10 @@ You can do global declarations using PROCLAIM and DECLARE. See http://www.lrdr.epita.fr/dload/papers/verna.06.imecs.pdf "How to make Lisp go faster than C" -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:51:21 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lisp speedups > Another technique that significantly improves the speed of lisp @@ -14464,19 +12994,11 @@ lists). As a compiler writer I can understand why sbcl is unable to produce better code. But I would not call it excellent. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: status of windows version -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:40:43 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: status of windows version > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -14491,16 +13013,10 @@ Cc: list, OK, my mistake -- after quick scanning I thought that you removed DESTDIR support. Now I see that you implemented correct handling. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:48:27 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Current directory at startup Hello, @@ -14525,25 +13041,21 @@ Greg PS: See reroot (bookvol5), make-input-filename (nlib.lisp) etc... - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Current directory at startup -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:29 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: Current directory at startup Some (?) other issues: (1) -> )cd temp The current AXIOM default directory -is /home/greg/wh-axiom/axiom/target/x86_64-unknown-linux/=20 +is /home/greg/wh-axiom/axiom/target/x86_64-unknown-linux/ (1) -> )cd - The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/=20 + The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/ (1) -> )cd temp -=20 + >> System error: #p"/home/greg/" is not of type SEQUENCE. @@ -14564,14 +13076,14 @@ C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\My Documents (1) -> )cd The current AXIOM default directory is C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\ - =20 + ---> This current directory is wrong. So this file is not found. Le mardi 20 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 17:48 +0100, Gregory Vanuxem a =E9crit : > Hello, ->=20 +> > I have just built wh-sandbox and found a _serious_ bug. It's present in > Build-improvement too (and probably Gold). Last time, I uploaded a > binary version of Axiom I made an error, I added the function 'reroot' @@ -14584,37 +13096,21 @@ t > directory (if the "basenames" are identical). This issue can mess up th= e > build process (it happened with build-improvement (version 395)). ->=20 +> > There is another problem with file (fixed in wh-sandbox): probe-file no > longer works on directory. Tim I think you should take care of these > issues if you plan to release a new version of Gold, several persons > already reported problems related to this one (with fixes too I > believe). ->=20 +> > Greg ->=20 +> > PS: See reroot (bookvol5), make-input-filename (nlib.lisp) etc... ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:31:43 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdVzWPwUm16qpMlRCqQJkMVHnFNig== -Cc: axiom-math@nongnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: First about Sage published Althought this is not directly about Axiom, it might be of interest @@ -14673,23 +13169,12 @@ elliptic curves, and computational mathematics. Oh, for the "glory days" of Axiom when Axiom might have been the tool of choice for this type of work! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:47:26 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdUQ53HVIMTt43LSL2q2JE8tKUoRQBpKdXw -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis On February 19, 2007 11:33 AM C Y wrote: > @@ -14711,23 +13196,14 @@ If you would like to do this, please let me know. I would be glad to help. Compiling the windows version is described on the Axiom Wiki. Using NSIS to package the result is very easy. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: status of windows version -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Feb 2007 20:08:27 +0100 -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On February 19, 2007 11:33 AM C Y wrote: @@ -14748,27 +13224,16 @@ It is quite possible that I will have a chance to present Ralf's and my work at the "Seminaire Lotharingien" end of march. Would be nice to have cd's as giveaways... - - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:00:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdV664aonimbdIBQGe+x/pozhfd8AAAt3fg -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis On February 21, 2007 2:08 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > On February 19, 2007 11:33 AM C Y wrote: > @@ -14816,31 +13281,22 @@ version too since basically, Aldor support is just added on top. > -> It is quite possible that I will have a chance to present -> Ralf's and my work at the "Seminaire Lotharingien" end of -> march. Would be nice to have cd's as giveaways... -> - -Do you mean something like the Doyen LiveCD? Perhaps we need -to encourage Alfredo to produce a new version... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - +> It is quite possible that I will have a chance to present +> Ralf's and my work at the "Seminaire Lotharingien" end of +> march. Would be nice to have cd's as giveaways... +> +Do you mean something like the Doyen LiveCD? Perhaps we need +to encourage Alfredo to produce a new version... \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: status of windows version -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Feb 2007 22:42:08 +0100 -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: status of windows version +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > It would be great if you could package my guessing package, too. > @@ -14883,18 +13339,12 @@ Great! Yes. But, as you remarked above, no Guessing package with Gold. And no Aldor. I'd need both, plus ALLPROSE, plus aldor-combinat. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Feb 2007 22:48:42 +0100 -Cc: Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox +Cc: Waldek Hebisch I made wh-sandbox available on my linux box for other members of the departement by setting the file permissions of @@ -14921,19 +13371,12 @@ cc1: Fehler: /local/scratch/wh-sandbox/build/i686-pc-linux/lib/gcl-2.6.8/unixpor Apart from these minor glitches, wh-sandbox is working very well, it seems! Thank you, -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:25:17 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: status of windows version - <015901c755f2$f3b96a90$0301010a@asus> -Cc: Waldek Hebisch , - list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > Do you mean something like the Doyen LiveCD? Perhaps we need > to encourage Alfredo to produce a new version... @@ -14950,19 +13393,12 @@ Sorry Martin about not having the CD ready for your presentation last time. By the way, I don't know if it was ever addressed the problem with Gold patch 50 that would break HyperDoc when adding Martin's package. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 21 Feb 2007 23:15:02 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Feb 2007 23:15:02 -0600 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14980,14 +13416,10 @@ build-improvements (therefore wh-sandbox), but most of them remain. I consider that your report and that of Gregory are related and fall in the same basket. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Feb 2007 11:09:02 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: unit testing Dear all, @@ -14999,20 +13431,12 @@ output. Furthermore, how is "should be" and "is" currently compared? -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:11:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdWIFBUZtTnb5C5SlGOI0JKGLslcgAFtfsg -Cc: 'Waldek Hebisch' , - list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Alfredo, @@ -15067,19 +13491,11 @@ or something like that and an older version of GCL. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: unit testing -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:21:40 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: unit testing > Dear all, > @@ -15128,11 +13544,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start +Date: 22 Feb 2007 13:09:00 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: unit testing -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Feb 2007 13:09:00 +0100 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15166,15 +13581,10 @@ Yes, that's what I have in mind - although, for the moment, static only. I.e., a rather large database of results, which are checked after a change in the algebra is made -Martin - - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:40:49 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: SBCL and compiler speed Encouraged by progress made by Greg Vanuxem I decided to retry @@ -15268,19 +13678,11 @@ build handles bulk of domains and packages). 187.502 | 8,338,543,520 | 4,530,493 | | Total - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:39:17 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed Waldek, @@ -15291,7 +13693,7 @@ Le jeudi 22 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 17:40 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > problems without a profiler. I was unable to profile gcl compiled > programs, while profiling seem to work quite well in sbcl. > FYI I use the following patch to Juergen Weiss version: ->=20 +> > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/sbcl-cmu2.diff I you want I can upload what I have done (more precisely what is @@ -15310,19 +13712,14 @@ Greg Cygwin for example) does not accept the algebra Makefile and its inclusions. - - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:41:08 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed > Waldek, ->=20 +> > Le jeudi 22 f=E9vrier 2007 ? 17:40 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Encouraged by progress made by Greg Vanuxem I decided to retry > > my attempt to compile Axiom using sbcl. One of my main motivators @@ -15330,9 +13727,9 @@ Cc: list > > problems without a profiler. I was unable to profile gcl compiled > > programs, while profiling seem to work quite well in sbcl. > > FYI I use the following patch to Juergen Weiss version: -> >=20 +> > > > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/sbcl-cmu2.diff ->=20 +> > I you want I can upload what I have done (more precisely what is > "distributable"), I planned to upload it Sunday but I'm not against this > idea (I'm busy). The bad news is that the interpreter is not @@ -15342,32 +13739,23 @@ Cc: list > extensively for example)). WHat I'm saying does not prevent to document, > "conceptually", some part of the "interpreter" such that the database, > the compiler(s) etc... ->=20 +> > Greg ->=20 +> > [1] The build process is buggy too, somes versions of Make (the one in > Cygwin for example) does not accept the algebra Makefile and its > inclusions. ->=20 +> It would be nice to see your version. I certainly would like to know how you solved some specific problems (non-ANSI type declarations, BPINAME function etc). I would like also to time build process. - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:02:35 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox > I made wh-sandbox available on my linux box for other members of the > departement by setting the file permissions of @@ -15391,21 +13779,11 @@ Gaby is right that we have mess with paths, but even with correct paths we still would have problem: we simply do not install the needed include file. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:14:55 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdXB+KDdxoLrFoVRxS+Co54OhRkaQAVSUPw -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox On February 23, 2007 12:03 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -15423,20 +13801,11 @@ On February 23, 2007 12:03 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: I think that this file is installed in the target directory (mnt) in the Axiom Gold release. Right? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:16:09 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15482,24 +13851,15 @@ putting extra crud into intermediate C files. if cmpinclude.h is in expected place, if yes use it, otherwise use cached version. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:46:28 +0100 -Cc: -Subject: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp - (was: SBCL and compiler speed) +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp (was: SBCL and compiler speed) Le vendredi 23 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 00:41 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit := -=20 -> >=20 + +> > > > I you want I can upload what I have done (more precisely what is > > "distributable"), I planned to upload it Sunday but I'm not against t= his @@ -15513,19 +13873,19 @@ nt, > > "conceptually", some part of the "interpreter" such that the database= , > > the compiler(s) etc... -> >=20 +> > > > Greg -> >=20 +> > > > [1] The build process is buggy too, somes versions of Make (the one i= n > > Cygwin for example) does not accept the algebra Makefile and its > > inclusions. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > It would be nice to see your version. I certainly would like to > know how you solved some specific problems (non-ANSI type declarations, > BPINAME function etc). I would like also to time build process. ->=20 +> Here are the sources: @@ -15542,7 +13902,7 @@ When I read your code I was particularly interested in your implementation of this function. This function is implemented but further investigations are needed. -For example the=20 +For example the ((and (consp func) (eq (car func) 'lambda)) (second (third func))) @@ -15558,7 +13918,7 @@ this port feel free to improve it :-) (when there are "QUESTION" in the c= ode this is because further investigation are needed and eventually I'll have= to -ask Juergen Weiss why it's implemented this way).=20 +ask Juergen Weiss why it's implemented this way). To compile it 'cd' to src/boot, edit the Makefile.(sbcl|clisp|cmu) and th= e Makefile.inc @@ -15566,7 +13926,7 @@ to change the variables defined if necessary (you'll have, for sure, to m= odify AXIOMROOT). Export the AXIOM environment variable so for example with SBCL : -export AXIOM=3D/usr/local/axiom-cl/mnt/sbcl +export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom-cl/mnt/sbcl and use 'make -f Makdefile.sbcl' to build bootsys with SBCL. @@ -15578,7 +13938,7 @@ To use Axiom do not forget to export the environment variable AXIOM The build process has been done in such a way that you can easily build Axiom for each CL implementation (and test the three at the same time). -And, a last remark (for fun)=20 +And, a last remark (for fun) @@ -15620,10 +13980,10 @@ range as type instead of a predefined type such that fixnum. The other problem is that we don't have the sources so we can not know what exactly a |Sint| is.) -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +========================== +===== KNOWN PROBLEMS (not related to Axiom): If you encounter a "NIL is not of type continuation" with CMUCL try to ch= @@ -15646,15 +14006,10 @@ makefiles with the "standard" version of make and use the "packaged make" to build the algebra :-( - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:47:57 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: next release I'm working on the next release of Axiom Gold. @@ -15672,17 +14027,11 @@ test and package these changesets. The mailing list has almost no patches posted. Why is that? -Tim - - - - \start +Date: 24 Feb 2007 19:23:07 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 24 Feb 2007 19:23:07 +0100 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -15695,20 +14044,11 @@ Great! Could you please try to include my guessing package? I sent all patches to issue tracker. Look at "fix proposed", please. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:30:09 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer -Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to - SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Here are the sources: @@ -15798,19 +14138,11 @@ diff -u pp/axiom-cl/src/interp/nlib.lisp axiom-cl/src/interp/nlib.lisp #+:clisp (defun makedir (fname) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 24 Feb 2007 20:52:14 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Feb 2007 20:52:14 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -15836,17 +14168,11 @@ that (should we?). The axiom-commit mailing list has the history of all commits to SVN -- when they are not truncated due to SF policy. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:54:45 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -15901,18 +14227,11 @@ Please could you walk me (slowly) through your invesgitation? [ I just saw your patch, but I would first like to see why the patch is correct at the "algorithmic" level. ] -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:41:54 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -15988,18 +14307,11 @@ and the beginning of compile-file1 is: so during compile system-p is taken from *default-system-p*, unless a specific values is given as a keyword argument. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: next release -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:30:15 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: next release > I'm working on the next release of Axiom Gold. > @@ -16214,18 +14526,10 @@ allow to identify SVN version and get more details. + DEPENDENTS.DAASE + - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:22:44 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: next release I've seen the changes on axiom-commit and some of them have been @@ -16252,18 +14556,11 @@ Working without published diff -Naur from Gold I expect that people will complain that their favorite change will not be included. I'd prefer to get it right the first time. -Tim - - - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 11:25:44 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Feb 2007 11:25:44 +0100 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -16298,24 +14595,17 @@ Concerning "favorite fix": * #199, but is is hopeless to get documentation there, I think. Waldek is the only one we could ask... -Martin - - - - \start -To: ralf@ark.in-berlin.de -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 Feb 2007 13:25:57 +0100 -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] %S in some contr. pkg fails to - compile +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] %S in some contr. pkg fails to compile Dear Ralf (I'm the author of mantepse & co) -Ralf Stephan writes: +Ralf Hemmecke writes: > Hello, why is it that I can compile the Simpson's method's spad file but not > mantepse.spad? The latter contains %S strings which let the compile command @@ -16392,19 +14682,14 @@ Martin PS: this week there will be a yet improved version of my package available. - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:46:55 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer -Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to - SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp Le dimanche 25 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 03:30 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit := -=20 + [...] @@ -16418,7 +14703,7 @@ ted This is what I think too. ->=20 +> > I hope that Lisp implementation that is capable of finding name of a fu= nction > object will return this name as a third value of function-lambda-expres= @@ -16450,20 +14735,11 @@ I'll keep my implementation since the unix feature and the function unix-= mkdir is available on Windows, though I'm hesitant. -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:28:12 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -16548,16 +14824,11 @@ no access to all the discussion, only this one and some other bits). | so during compile system-p is taken from *default-system-p*, unless | a specific values is given as a keyword argument. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:45:21 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -16698,19 +14969,11 @@ break such a program. > -- Gaby > --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: document missing in installation -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:53:12 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: document missing in installation > Dear Waldek, > @@ -16729,18 +14992,11 @@ have "document" installed? I belive that this is fixed in version 439. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Current directory at startup -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:09:44 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Current directory at startup Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Some (?) other issues: @@ -17055,19 +15311,12 @@ Index: ChangeLog.wh Make the final image independent of cmpinclude.h - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:37:40 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:37:40 +0100 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Dear all, @@ -17080,18 +15329,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I'm not sure if Camm reads axiom-devel, so, did you consider asking him? -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:39:25 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: document missing in installation -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:39:25 +0100 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17100,16 +15342,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Yes, definitively. Otherwise, contributed packages cannot be compiled. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:48:28 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem, Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: compiled-function-p > I suspect that the use of compiled-function-p is bogus: Axiom probably @@ -17125,17 +15361,11 @@ lisp introduced restrictions on what could appear in the function position. Since common lisp is our new, favorite lisp we can remove the test. Portions of the code still contain these historical lisp-isms. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:49:04 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -17150,15 +15380,10 @@ On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: Aha, this is what I missed -- I thought the other parts were also solved. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:15:26 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: compiled-function-p > Anyway, patch follows (note that this patch will probably do @@ -17182,17 +15407,11 @@ It would be most helpful, and Gold would happen a lot faster, if you could take the time to make a diff-Naur Gold patch containing the complete changeset. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:55:09 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -17242,17 +15461,11 @@ My understanding (Camm, please correct me) is that GCL is not set up yet to work without its internal header file. However, if that is true I can't explain why we did not run into that problem before... --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:57:51 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox - <9qvehqt9y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -17274,20 +15487,12 @@ explicitly CC:'d in case his input is needed. Furthermore, I think he also explained that he will not be back before March or something like that. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Feb 2007 13:36:34 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad - -Hello, - Axiom's implementation of Boot's and Spad source includer (src/boot/btincl2.boot, src/interp/cstream.boot) uses lazyness (faked through function "Delay"). This is also variously known as zipper. @@ -17295,16 +15500,11 @@ My quesion is how much of the complexity introduced by faking lazyness actually outweight the benefits? Is the lazyness actually beneficial? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:14:52 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -17391,18 +15591,11 @@ As I wrote, when compiler::*default-system-p* is nil C files generated by gcl do not need the gcl include file. But gcl still add corresponding -I option to gcc comand line, and you get spurious errors. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:08:02 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad > > Hello, @@ -17480,18 +15673,11 @@ are invalidated after compilation of any constructors, which is probably responsible for nonlinear compile times for multifile compilations). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:01:50 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:01:50 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17665,18 +15851,11 @@ intloopSpadProcess(stepNo,lines,ptree,interactive?)== result = 'ncEndItem => stepNo stepNo+1 --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:08:13 +0100 -From: Ralf Stephan +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9qejoefmp6.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Build problem (was [SOLVED] %S in some contr. pkg - fails to compile) +Subject: Build problem (was [SOLVED] %S in some contr. pkg fails to compile) Martin, it all works now thanks to your detailed help. I compiled @@ -17691,18 +15870,11 @@ files, and at two places in the make process there are commands 'cp -r' (recursive) that will try to copy these directories, too. Maybe they should be changed to 'cp -r [a-zA-Z]* ...'? - -ralf - - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:07:13 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -Cc: list If SPAD provides "Generator" that would be sufficient. In Aldor-Combinat I have implemented streams and formal power series building on that concept. @@ -17733,16 +15905,12 @@ On 02/25/2007 08:36 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > lazyness actually outweight the benefits? Is the lazyness actually > beneficial? > -> -- Gaby - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:34:19 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -Cc: list On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -17771,15 +15939,10 @@ used by Spad does not seem to be documented anywhere. Experimental evidence suggests "call by value" but that does not seem to be sancitoned by an official documentation. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:45:57 -0600 -To: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad > Is the lazyness actually beneficial? @@ -17816,17 +15979,11 @@ intermediate language forms in the same implementation language. Thus the "overhead" of letting algebra introduce new syntax is minimal since even the console readtables can be changed on the fly. -Tim - - - - \start +Date: 26 Feb 2007 18:34:20 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Feb 2007 18:34:20 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -17879,15 +16036,10 @@ Template Haskell in domain specific languages. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:43:16 -0600 -To: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: next release > Well, patches are supposed to be posted when they are ready for @@ -18028,15 +16180,10 @@ up changesets for functionality you consider complete and ready. I know it takes you away from "interesting" axiom tasks. The whole build process has already cost me several weeks so I understand. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:05:07 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: fixes and patches > > Anyway, patch follows (note that this patch will probably do @@ -18103,18 +16250,12 @@ I can provide this (but I think you already have them from the commit mailing list). Also, if you have specific questions concering patches I will try to answer. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: next release -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:52:54 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: next release +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Challenge 2: LESS OBVIOUS CHANGES, such as eliding "member" from > the boot code. This change was made with no documentation added @@ -18207,19 +16348,11 @@ pretty printing). So new asq just implements what is documented asq is _required_ if you want to use asq with uncompressed databases (or prett print them). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:27:45 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:27:45 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -18315,17 +16448,11 @@ I need the following: Can we work that out? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:46:36 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release - <87fy8skw4u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:46:36 -0600 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -18353,15 +16480,10 @@ from the rest of the paragraph. | experimental trees that would do more harms if published than kept local. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:11:39 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: next release Gaby, @@ -18401,38 +16523,20 @@ test version for gold changes. Gold will again be released on a 2-month, best-effort schedule. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:20:06 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: next release > arrgh. I did it again :-( funny. :-) -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:58:49 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: next release On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -18509,15 +16613,10 @@ As I already pointed out, we should encourage people to commit themselves their patches to Silver. That reduces the load on the maintainer. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:59:39 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: next release On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -18528,14 +16627,10 @@ On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Tim Daly wrote: Well, being the perpetrator I feel differently :-( :-/ --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:34:05 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: mapleok results Here are results of my analysis of several integrals from mapleok @@ -18647,18 +16742,10 @@ in249a:=integrate((sin(z)/(cos(z)-1))^(1/3), z= 0..%pi,"noPole") ignored imaginary part ???? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:44:57 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Dear Waldek, @@ -18678,21 +16765,12 @@ fi; cd gcl; \ make && make install /bin/sh: line 0: cd: gcl: No such file or directory - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:51:59 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdahkQ4pN7o6dsMQ3Sh7AjgFhdNQwAAKNWA -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Problem compiling wh-sandbox +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Marin, @@ -18709,21 +16787,12 @@ pre-installed *before* building Axiom. As far as I am concerned, that is a good thing. gcl and noweb should not be part of the Axiom distribution. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:25:29 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch - +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin, @@ -18750,30 +16819,13 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: > ./configure --prefix=/local/scratch/wh-sandbox/build/i686-pc-linux --enable-statsysbfd --disable-dynsysbfd --enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-maxpage=256*1024 --disable-tkconfig --disable-x --disable-xgcl && \ > make && make install > /bin/sh: line 0: cd: gcl: No such file or directory -> -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - \start +Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:51:30 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <45E493B9.8000809@yahoo.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:51:30 -0600 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -18802,20 +16854,12 @@ I believe Waldek said you must have GCL installed if you want to use wh-sandbox. If that recollection is accurate, then I think he might want to enforce that at configuration time, --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:40:49 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <45E493B9.8000809@yahoo.com> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Quoting C Y: > @@ -18908,18 +16952,12 @@ a significantly faster version of noweb. You can download icon from http://www.cs.arizona.edu/icon -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:32:25 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Dear Waldek, > diff --git a/book/2007-03.txt b/book/2007-03.txt index 980d4cb..eeab9c0 100644 --- a/book/2007-03.txt +++ b/book/2007-03.txt @@ -1,10 +1,8 @@ \start -To: axiom-dev -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <9q8xei2h94.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Mar 2007 17:04:05 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Dear all, @@ -55,15 +53,11 @@ make[1]: *** [all-interpsys] Fehler 2 make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis '/local/scratch/wh-sandbox/src' make: *** [all-src] Fehler 2 - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:41:16 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox > Dear all, > @@ -85,20 +79,11 @@ the problem is fixed in the source tree (but binaries contain errors). I am looking at your report, but it will take some time. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <9qr6s8y87v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Mar 2007 22:20:03 +0100 - ---=-=-= +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -398,15 +383,11 @@ SfNPaaOOVQUmjkfqWphIyJM64/HwFfwtJqN2X5joYxvojYsj7qO01Xq9Lr39NuFwWxD3ttnMkTK6 zX/cFRUUmPbSK3cNZSk5mVR4MGYcrkVmvwBZDJjuo2kBAA== --=-=-=-- - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:59:39 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -469,19 +450,11 @@ and now Latex files are fixed to not require Tim's change. AFAICS you copied gcl source tree into wh-sandbox and make just build fresh gcl from sources. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 02 Mar 2007 13:14:23 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 02 Mar 2007 13:14:23 +0100 -Cc: axiom-dev Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -502,18 +475,11 @@ otherwise? yes. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:04:59 -0500 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:04:59 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -559,53 +525,38 @@ of date -- will update to Debian unstable and retry. Agreed. -Take care, - -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Camm Maguire Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:06:47 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Earlier Gregory Vanuxem wrote: ->=20 +> > > I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for > > Windows (32 bits). > > > > It can be downloaded from: > > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-sbcl-win.tar.bz2 > > ... ->=20 +> > On February 12, 2007 11:25 AM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > ... > > Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : -> > >=20 +> > > > > > It works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > > > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > > > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of > > > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? -> >=20 +> > > > No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) > > handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). But I added -> > some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of=20 +> > some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of > > GCL. They are not tested of course. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Thanks. I think the GCL main developer Camm Maquire would be > strongly motivated to help with ensuring that an ANSI version > of Axiom works with GCL, especially as a means to test and @@ -617,35 +568,12 @@ Greetings! Yes indeed -- we'll make sure any axiom ansi improvements work. Please feel free to forward specific issues to me or to one of the lists. (Still am not receiving either reliably, alas.) -Take care, - ->=20 -> Regards, -> Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - ---=20 -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <54y7o98gm7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:07:07 -0500 -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Maxima] windows-only read patch (was: error - in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Maxima] windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov Greetings! Any progress here? @@ -655,7 +583,7 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Camm, > > @@ -734,7 +662,7 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > > > > > > > > > -> > > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> > > Bill Page writes: > > > > > > > Camm, > > > > @@ -753,57 +681,12 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > > > > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > > > > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > > > > this "windows-only read patch"? -> > > > -> > > > Regards, -> > > > Bill Page. -> > > > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > -> > > -- -> > > Camm Maguire -> > > Camm Maguire -> > > ============================================================== -> > > ============ -> > > "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -> > > Baha'u'llah -> > > -> > > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah -> _______________________________________________ -> Maxima mailing list -> Maxima@math.utexas.edu -> http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:29:36 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -825,18 +708,11 @@ How do I get my hand on the command line arguments --mumble and Furthermore, is there an equivalent of C's main() function in GCL? -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 03 Mar 2007 13:00:43 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 03 Mar 2007 13:00:43 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Tim, @@ -844,13 +720,6 @@ there is a new patch for divisors on IssueTracker now. (Issue #340) I still didn't have time to document the series patch. Maybe later today... -Sorry, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:21:02 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp @@ -900,35 +769,21 @@ Sorry about the long time it's been taking to get this done - I was sick this last week and also keeping the finite state tangle straight has been harder than probably it should be :-/. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, list -Subject: Re: next release - <9qy7meh6z8.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 Mar 2007 21:53:54 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: next release Dear Tim, there is now documentation for the power series patch available on IssueTracker now. (Issue #312) - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:04:07 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: .pht file generation Waldek, @@ -947,18 +802,11 @@ the process work? (The .pht process was created during the last days of the axiom process while the book was being created and I had nothing to do with that task). -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:40:33 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -990,19 +838,11 @@ grandfather -- invokes GCC explicitly with -fstrict-aliasing, e.g. it is explicitly askign the compiler to exploit aliasing rules, when compiling generated C codes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:25:35 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: Camm Maguire - <541wk75mgk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, maxima@math.utexas.edu -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] windows-only read - patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! Any progress here? @@ -1030,20 +870,10 @@ below really breaks build on Windows. >>>> x = vs_head = patch_sharp(x); >>>> - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:16:28 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: Aldor proves 4 to be prime... :-( Since "prime?: % -> Boolean" segfaults, @@ -1073,15 +903,10 @@ main(): () == { main(); ---END aaa.as - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'axiom-dev'" Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:29:01 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdeZ1Qplu5IMHkYSc2Rmm5xJ2Vf/AAY94og -Cc: 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Axiom Developers; @@ -1123,21 +948,11 @@ Does anyone have any idea exactly what "v. 1.1-rc" refers? Note: The current version of the Aldor compiler is: v1.0.3. Where can we find v. 1.1-rc? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Doug Stewart'" Doug Stewart -Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:53:01 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acde0I1Knv5f9RVsSQGbcLAaV8DXTQAAEZ0g -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Doug Stewart +Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release On March 4, 2007 9:46 PM Doug Stewart wrote: > @@ -1174,19 +989,11 @@ Step 3. Select your OS: Where do you see "v. 1.1-rc"? I am blind or just confused? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:56:55 -0500 From: Doug Stewart To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Bill Page wrote: > On March 4, 2007 9:46 PM Doug Stewart wrote: @@ -1238,23 +1045,11 @@ I was looking at the 1.1 not the 1.1-rc "The current version of the Aldor compiler is: v1.0.3." -Doug - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page, - "'Doug Stewart'" Doug Stewart -Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:58:06 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acde0I1Knv5f9RVsSQGbcLAaV8DXTQAAEZ0gAABCfoA= -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Doug Stewart +Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Oh, sorry. I didn't go far enough. After selecting @@ -1279,7 +1074,7 @@ Bill Page. > .org > a@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Bill Page > Sent: March 4, 2007 9:53 PM -> To: 'Doug Stewart' +> To: Doug Stewart > Cc: 'axiom-dev' > Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open > source release @@ -1319,32 +1114,14 @@ Bill Page. > ------- > > Where do you see "v. 1.1-rc"? I am blind or just confused? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:04:45 -0600 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , 'aldor-l' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Axiom Developers; | @@ -1394,18 +1171,13 @@ release. | The current version of the Aldor compiler is: v1.0.3. Where can | we find v. 1.1-rc? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:06:35 -0600 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On March 4, 2007 9:46 PM Doug Stewart wrote: | > @@ -1444,18 +1216,12 @@ Cc: 'axiom-dev' Maybe 1.1-rc turned into 1.1.0? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:17:00 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - Tim -- The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1473,15 +1239,10 @@ I stumbled over those while I was playing with the new configuration setting for building src/boot with SBCL -- I have not tried ECL yet. I'm working on a patch. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:06:47 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) Yeah, Axiom was being rewritten into "common lisp" at the same time @@ -1493,18 +1254,12 @@ The new ANSI spec breaks Axiom in at least 3 ways, they want strings as package names, in-package does not create the package and lisp, system, etc are special. -Tim - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:20:30 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:20:30 +0100 - (Tim Daly's message of "Sun\, - 4 Mar 2007 23\:06\:47 -0600") -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Gaby wrote: @@ -1541,16 +1296,11 @@ Kai [1] http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_in-package.html - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:34:25 +0100 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - 'axiom-dev' From: Christian Aistleitner -Cc: 'aldor-l' -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Coming Soon: * Aldor open source - release +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Hello, @@ -1569,20 +1319,13 @@ offers me an option: . If you'll accept their license, you'll be able to download aldor-linux-i386-1.1.0-rc.bin. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 04:05:09 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gaby wrote: | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1629,22 +1372,15 @@ How should it be read? Does the file *name* matter? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:38:46 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:38:46 +0100 - of "05 Mar 2007 04\:05\:09 -0600") -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > | Gaby wrote: > | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1701,22 +1437,17 @@ Kai PS: Lisp is all lower-case nowadays. I only capitalize Lisp identifiers and file names in my posts to make them stand out from normal text. - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 04:44:39 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | -| > Kai Kaminski writes: +| > Kai Kaminski writes: | > | > | Gaby wrote: | > | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1773,20 +1504,13 @@ as \author. I don't think it is particular to my branch. src/boot/boothdr.lisp.pamphlet serves similar purpose. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 04:51:36 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -1801,23 +1525,15 @@ original is all lower case. In this specific case, the iput file src/boot/exports.lisp is in lower case. For that matter. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:22:42 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:22:42 +0100 - of "05 Mar 2007 04\:51\:36 -0600") -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > [...] > @@ -1855,23 +1571,17 @@ Kai [2] This is used in Axiom a lot and I must admit that I don't like it at all. Either use all lower case, use a lisp with modern mode. - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 05:46:48 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | -| > Kai Kaminski writes: +| > Kai Kaminski writes: | > | > [...] | > @@ -1891,27 +1601,19 @@ I know. Gosh, try to report an issue with the build system and you a get a full lecture on what does not help you. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:53:03 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wt1wq8a0.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:53:03 +0100 - of "05 Mar 2007 04\:44\:39 -0600") -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | -> | > Kai Kaminski writes: +> | > Kai Kaminski writes: > | > > | > | Gaby wrote: > | > | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -2016,21 +1718,13 @@ the DEFPACKAGE statement like so: > src/boot/boothdr.lisp.pamphlet serves similar purpose. It should probably be renamed, but that's none of my business. -Kai - - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wt1wq8a0.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 06:18:43 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -2041,24 +1735,12 @@ Kai Kaminski writes: I'll probably do something like that or use the string form. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:19:24 -0400 -From: Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga +From: Humberto Zuazaga To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87d53nrjyv.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; - boundary="------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D" -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list - -This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) ---------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D +Cc: Kai Kaminski Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -2121,40 +1803,14 @@ Top level. BAR> ---=20 -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga -Programmer-Archaeologist -University of Puerto Rico -http://www.hpcf.upr.edu/~humberto/ - - ---------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) -Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org - -iD8DBQFF7ArUO8aX8Tqx8vgRAvn9AJ9F9OLwen/n5625sEYp/a7xPWfcSACgxTne -aG9IH9GloXpFP8FAWX0bQpU= -=Pe1F ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D-- - - - \start -To: Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87d53nrjyv.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <45EC0ACC.20906@hpcf.upr.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 06:53:09 -0600 -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Humberto Zuazaga +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) +Cc: Kai Kaminski -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga writes: +Humberto Zuazaga writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | @@ -2189,17 +1845,10 @@ Ah! Now, I know why I don't use Lisp for everyday programming :-/ I'll stick to the string form. Many thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:41:38 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdfMVzmzaiPFzb0Suq/cHB1HvSAFgAAWSBg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release On March 5, 2007 9:20 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -2237,23 +1886,11 @@ nut and bolt then other people can share in making it right. I think there is some problem here of philosophy or psychology that is not compatible with mass collaboration. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov - <54y7o98gm7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <541wk75mgk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> <45EAACAF.9040709@netorn.ru> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 05 Mar 2007 10:50:20 -0500 -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, maxima@math.utexas.edu -Subject: Re: [Maxima] [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read - patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Camm Maguire +To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov +Subject: Re: [Maxima] [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Greetings! @@ -2322,37 +1959,11 @@ check for listen using fcntl returns yes. Can you tell me if the latter is true or not, and then if so, what are the symptoms of breakage in light of the code above? -Thanks so much! - -Take care, - - -> -- -> Vadim V. Zhytnikov -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Maxima mailing list -> Maxima@math.utexas.edu -> http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:41:05 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -2370,17 +1981,10 @@ if you remove just generated .clisp files from src/interp subdirectory (in principle other things should be correctly re-made), but any troubles are likely to take you more time than fresh checkout... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:49:08 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: .pht file generation > Waldek, @@ -2445,22 +2049,11 @@ possibly hang later). Since all communication is done via sockets any socket problems may give errors or hangs. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:37:44 -0500 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:37:44 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -2501,31 +2094,11 @@ A good idea is to set si::*top-level-hook*, like in hol88: 'tml is their top level. -Take care, - -> Thanks, -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:46:50 -0500 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:46:50 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -2588,30 +2161,11 @@ Great! Isn't this enabled by -O2 and higher anyway: Still can't reproduce any aliasing warnings with gcl 2.6.8pre and gcc 4.1.2. Could someone please tell me what I'm missing? -Take care, - -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:25:18 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54k5xvleo7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -2654,23 +2208,11 @@ On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: | | 'tml is their top level. -Wonderful. -Many thanks, Camm. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:28:31 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54fy8jle91.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -2725,17 +2267,10 @@ I upgraded my OS this week-end and my development machine is not accessible at this time. But, I'll post a build log once I'm back to normal. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:46:29 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdFRGeBttMAuD2oSsOogslr101oFQBM0kcgBpZ2vbA= -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey Subject: RE: Tests of sage. Francois, @@ -2883,34 +2418,14 @@ On February 1, 2007 10:25 PM Bill Page wrote: > sure that the 'axiom4sage-0.1.spkg' that is used on the Sage > server was built using gcl with readline disabled. I will > check this and get back to you. -> -> ---- -> -> -> - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:45:34 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdg3F85TzvV52coSq+ilMktwmwrMgADDqfg +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Re: Tests of sage. - - -----Original Message----- -From: sage-devel@googlegroups.com [mailto:sage-devel@googlegroups.com] On -Behalf Of William Stein -Sent: March 7, 2007 12:16 PM -To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com -Subject: [sage-devel] Re: Tests of sage. - - On 3/7/07, Bill Page wrote: > I am sorry that is has taken a bit of time but I promised to let you @@ -2946,36 +2461,11 @@ since I have not upgraded pexpect in over a year, I think. I must have changed something in the SAGE expect interfaces that causes this problem. In any case, it's fixed now. Sorry it took a while. -William - ---~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ -To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com -To unsubscribe from this group, send email to -sage-devel-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com -For more options, visit this group at -http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel -URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and -http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ --~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:04:19 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630" -Thread-Index: Acdk7XI9i/VfsxRORSiX98EnrLDy6AAIjO7Q -Subject: FW: [Om] CFP: Prog. Lang for Mechanized - Mathematics Workshop - -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630 - charset="iso-8859-1" +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: FW: [Om] CFP: Prog. Lang for Mechanized Mathematics Workshop I think this workshop might be of interest to Axiom developers... @@ -3025,7 +2515,7 @@ systems (MAS) (see Calculemus 2007). There are various ways in which these two subjects of programming = languages -and systems for mathematics meet:=20 +and systems for mathematics meet: Many systems for mathematics contain a dedicated programming language. = For @@ -3036,7 +2526,7 @@ the Ltac language for Coq) also have an embedded programming language. Note = that in many instances this language captures only algorithmic content, and -declarative or representational issues are avoided.=20 +declarative or representational issues are avoided. The mathematical languages of many systems for mathematics are very = close to @@ -3051,7 +2541,7 @@ languages. And even then, many specification languages ((B, Z, Maude, = OBJ3, CASL, etc) can still teach MMSes a trick or two regarding = representational -power.=20 +power. Conversely, functional programming languages have been getting "more mathematical" all the time. For instance, they seem to have discovered = @@ -3062,7 +2552,7 @@ to 'host' mathematics (the non-success of docon being typical). There = are some promising languages on the horizon (Epigram, Omega) as well as some hybrid systems (Agda, Focal), although it is unclear if they are truly -capable of expressing the full range of ideas present in mathematics.=20 +capable of expressing the full range of ideas present in mathematics. Systems for mathematics are used to prove programs correct. (One method = is to generate "correctness conditions" from a program that has been = @@ -3071,11 +2561,11 @@ in the style of Hoare logic and then prove those conditions in a proof assistant.) An interesting question is what improvements are needed for = this both on the side of the mathematical systems and on the side of the -programming languages.=20 +programming languages. We are interested in all these issues. We hope that a certain synergy = will -develop between those issues by having them explored in parallel.=20 +develop between those issues by having them explored in parallel. These issues have a very colourful history. Many programming language innovations first appeared in either CASes or Proof Assistants, before migrating towards more mainstream languages. One can cite (in no = @@ -3101,7 +2591,7 @@ MMS regain the upper hand on issues of 'genericity'? What are the biggest barriers to using a more mainstream language as a host language for a = CAS or -an ATP?=20 +an ATP? This workshop will accept two kinds of submissions: full research papers = as @@ -3119,7 +2609,7 @@ special issue of a Journal (details to follow). Important Dates April 25, 2007: Submission Deadline -June 29-30, 2007: Workshop=20 +June 29-30, 2007: Workshop Program Committee @@ -3140,31 +2630,12 @@ site. http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/about/conferences/Calculemus2007 - -------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630 - name="ATT00547.txt" - filename="ATT00547.txt" - -_______________________________________________ -Om mailing list -Om@openmath.org -http://openmath.org/mailman/listinfo/om - -------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630-- - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Mar 2007 02:04:14 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Boot and other Lisps - -Howdy! - As of revision 445, bootsys from src/boot in build-improvements can be built with GCL, SBCL, CLISP. Just configure with the option @@ -3181,19 +2652,11 @@ an easy party. Building bootsys with SBCL and CLISP is amazingly fast, compared to building with GCL. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Cc: - - ---- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Howdy! @@ -3227,23 +2690,11 @@ a lot slower. Interesting. Thanks Gaby for all of your hard work! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time -with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news - - - \start +Date: 13 Mar 2007 08:46:52 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Mar 2007 08:46:52 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -3305,18 +2756,12 @@ that the translation can automatically insert proclamations and assertions. But that is not for today, I've got lot to catch on during this break. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Mar 2007 09:08:22 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: cfuns.lisp and ELF platforms - Tim -- src/interp/cfuns.lisp contains conditional defentries for KCL @@ -3328,15 +2773,10 @@ further discriminated by :elf. Those functions are: There is no explanation of why the discrimination on :elf is needed. Do you happen to remember? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:00:45 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Creating executables which use Lisp compiler I wonder if there is a preferred procedure to create executables @@ -3360,16 +2800,10 @@ So the question is what is the preferred solution, in particular if creator of the executable should change the value of si::*system-directory* ? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:34:46 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Issue 336 The fix for bug 336 looks fine. But one thing in original @@ -3381,29 +2815,22 @@ different than comparison in Z. However, the logic really requires comparison in Z. So I think that we should use here t (that is value retracted to Z) in comparison. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:57:01 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps Hello Gaby, -Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Howdy! ->=20 +> > As of revision 445, bootsys from src/boot in build-improvements > can be built with GCL, SBCL, CLISP. Just configure with the option ->=20 -> --with-lisp=3D ->=20 +> +> --with-lisp= +> > That was an opportunity to clean up src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet a bit. > I merged boothdr.lisp, npextras.lisp and exports.lisp in a single > file, initial-env.lisp, which I augmented with functions to interface @@ -3431,7 +2858,7 @@ at least with SBCL. From what I have read you're using directly (setq variable to the list of locally bound variable in the 'prog'. My question is as follow, is it possible to declare a variable as special without adding it to this list of variables ? Such that it can be used -normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the :=3D +normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the := operator and, important thing, it's not bound to nil at the beginning of the prog ? @@ -3456,32 +2883,18 @@ Just curious, Greg ->=20 +> > I've not tempted to build src/interp yet -- and it is not going to be > an easy party. ->=20 +> > Building bootsys with SBCL and CLISP is amazingly fast, compared to > building with GCL. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start +Date: 13 Mar 2007 20:38:30 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 336 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 13 Mar 2007 20:38:30 +0100 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3507,37 +2920,30 @@ no matter whether n is negative of not... Axiom gives 0 currently, due to the definition of ibinom. This looks all quite inconsistent... -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Mar 2007 15:22:08 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello Gaby, -|=20 -| Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +| +| Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : | > Howdy! -| >=20 +| > | > As of revision 445, bootsys from src/boot in build-improvements | > can be built with GCL, SBCL, CLISP. Just configure with the option -| >=20 -| > --with-lisp=3D -| >=20 +| > +| > --with-lisp= +| > | > That was an opportunity to clean up src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet a bit. | > I merged boothdr.lisp, npextras.lisp and exports.lisp in a single | > file, initial-env.lisp, which I augmented with functions to interface | > with the build machinery. -|=20 -| I'm very happy of these modifications, this is great, thanks!=20 +| +| I'm very happy of these modifications, this is great, thanks! You are welcome. @@ -3560,7 +2966,7 @@ very much appreciated. | You have also added documentation here and there which is a yet another | good thing (I stop here my pseudo congratulations, this become -| insane :-).=20 +| insane :-). I should have done more of that -- but then I need to buy time :-) @@ -3584,18 +2990,18 @@ And I forgot to put more documentation as planned :-( | From what I have read you're using directly (setq | *package* something), this prevents the addition of the *packages* -| variable to the list of locally bound variable in the 'prog'.=20 +| variable to the list of locally bound variable in the 'prog'. Yes, that ois correct. | My | question is as follow, is it possible to declare a variable as special | without adding it to this list of variables ? Such that it can be used -| normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the :=3D +| normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the := | operator and, important thing, it's not bound to nil at the beginning of | the prog ? -Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct.=20=20 +Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct. When, I stumbled on that problem, I went back and looked at the Shoe code m= ore @@ -3608,7 +3014,7 @@ Then Shoe considers that anything that is on the fluid variables list or local variables list really is a local variable, therefore put it on the PROG header. That exhausts all the handling of variables. -My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the=20 +My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the algorithm for special handling of the Lisp convention. Then I imagined opposition from more senior contributors and decided to go with the solution I like the least (i.e. ugly), direct use of SETQ. @@ -3631,11 +3037,11 @@ I think your observation is correct. | began to modify the boot language (fluid and local variables) and | stopped there mainly because I do not have a clear meaning of what I | really wanted to do, what to do with these Lisp special variables (do we -| really want to manipulate these variables in boot) and,=20 +| really want to manipulate these variables in boot) and, My vision for Boot is to have as few direct reference to Lisp as possible, and have a defined list of reserved names with well defined -semantics.=20 +semantics. | of course, | because you, Waldek and probably others are working in these areas and I @@ -3653,15 +3059,10 @@ in stars the same behaviour as those whose names starts with dollar. We just need to make sure that we doon't conflict with some other Boot identifiers, such as star or double-star... --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Camm Maguire Date: 13 Mar 2007 16:22:57 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Creating executables which use Lisp compiler Greetings! @@ -3701,26 +3102,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > So the question is what is the preferred solution, in particular > if creator of the executable should change the value of > si::*system-directory* ? -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:52:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: cfuns.lisp and ELF platforms On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -3736,17 +3122,11 @@ Alas, GCL's documentation is just as verbose as Axiom's... Many thanks; I'll carefully study a simplication. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> <873b48vqq7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:31:52 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 15:22 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : @@ -3757,13 +3137,13 @@ Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 15:22 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : Ah, time is always short... -[...]=20 +[...] > | In the version of Axiom that I uploaded I added the > | Makefile.pamphlet from src/boot, which is the only documentation as f= ar > | as I know of the boot, more precisely Shoe, language. ->=20 +> > Yes, I intend to improve on that. I face this dilemma: Produce an > academic style definition of Shoe, or are more to the rigid > style of the existing documentation. I end up doing the latter. But I @@ -3784,13 +3164,13 @@ No problem, I'm more interested by directions taken. l > | without adding it to this list of variables ? Such that it can be use= d -> | normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the :=3D +> | normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the := > | operator and, important thing, it's not bound to nil at the beginning= of > | the prog ? ->=20 -> Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct. =20 ->=20 +> +> Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct. +> > When, I stumbled on that problem, I went back and looked at the Shoe co= de more > carefully. First Shoe, translates the body of a function, by @@ -3808,11 +3188,11 @@ several days ago, a GCL Lisp version of directoryp using (system::stat) but it is unsatisfactory, I will probably ask Camm if stat can returns more information, eventually I'll implement it. -> My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the=20 +> My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the > algorithm for special handling of the Lisp convention. Then I > imagined opposition from more senior contributors and decided to go > with the solution I like the least (i.e. ugly), direct use of SETQ. ->=20 +> > [ By the way, I would like to get rid of the PROG annotation when > there is no variable in the list -- very common situation. ] @@ -3832,20 +3212,11 @@ variables (*something*) but on the other hand this is a restriction. You have to use $variable or *variable*. Don't know what to do, force the user or use a more general way via a declaration. -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> - <873b48vqq7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <1173835912.3905.63.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -3872,20 +3243,13 @@ OK; I believe it is an issue we have to address. Would you prefer instead? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:43:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: rainbowsally - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: "list" +From: Bill Page +To: Rainbow Sally Subject: Re: re. windows and pdf v. dvi -Quoting rainbowsally : +Quoting Rainbow Sally: > I have not yet joined the discussions but I wanted to toss in my two cents. > @@ -3913,24 +3277,15 @@ http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer Your encouragement might help to motivate other Axiom developers to produce an updated version of Axiom for Windows. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> <873b48vqq7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1173835912.3905.63.camel@ellipse> - Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:13:46 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 21:53 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 21:53 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: ->=20 +> > | > I see your question as suggesting that we should have the translato= r > | > honor the Lisp convention -- that would be the most logical thing t= @@ -3949,32 +3304,23 @@ his You > | have to use $variable or *variable*. Don't know what to do, force the > | user or use a more general way via a declaration. ->=20 +> > OK; I believe it is an issue we have to address. Would you prefer ->=20 +> > _*PACKAGE_* : global -- Boot, please, *PACKAGE* is global -> callingPackage :=3D _*PACKAGE_* +> callingPackage := _*PACKAGE_* > -- ... do some work ... -> _*PACKAGE_* :=3D callingPackage ->=20 +> _*PACKAGE_* := callingPackage +> > instead? Yes, why not, that could be a good idea I think. -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:12:20 -0400 (EDT) -From: "N. J. A. Sloane" -To: njas@research.att.com, Martin Rubey - <200702152035.PAA59715@fry.research.att.com> -Cc: list, njas@research.att.com -Subject: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper +From: Neil Sloane +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper Martin, @@ -4003,29 +3349,12 @@ prim$ You said I should ask axiom-developer if I ran into trouble, so I will copy this to them. This is a linux x86-64 machine. -Regards - -Neil Sloane - - Neil J. A. Sloane - AT&T Shannon Labs, Room C233, - 180 Park Avenue, Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 - Email: njas@research.att.com - Office: 973 360 8415; fax: 973 360 8178 - Home page: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/ - - - \start -To: njas@research.att.com - <200702152035.PAA59715@fry.research.att.com> - <200703160412.l2G4CKEU978344@fry.research.att.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Mar 2007 07:14:46 +0100 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper +From: Martin Rubey +To: Neil Sloane +Subject: Re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Dear Neil, Dear Waldek, @@ -4053,7 +3382,7 @@ make make install -"N. J. A. Sloane" writes: +Neil Sloane writes: > Martin, > @@ -4089,21 +3418,16 @@ make install > Neil J. A. Sloane > AT&T Shannon Labs, Room C233, > 180 Park Avenue, Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 -> Email: njas@research.att.com +> Email: Neil Sloane > Office: 973 360 8415; fax: 973 360 8178 > Home page: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/ - - - \start -Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / - paper -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:26:03 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, njas@research.att.com, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Neil Sloane > Dear Neil, Dear Waldek, > @@ -4135,25 +3459,12 @@ Also, it may be necessary to instal some devel packages -- by defaults many distributions do not intall some components needed to compile Axiom. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:03:16 -0400 From: Heow Eide-Goodman To: Tim Daly - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; - boundary="=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n" -Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:03:16 -0400 -Cc: Bill Page, - William Sit, list Subject: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! - - ---=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n +Cc: Bill Page, William Sit Once again, LispNYC would be happy to submit all Axiom related projects! @@ -4161,28 +3472,10 @@ The ideas page: http://lispnyc.org/soc.clp -- h - ---=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQBF+qOktl5UqzSuvmwRAhJQAJ0e+ieQ3FU0khI5bcptiXi9ph/rYwCg061u -5vKyP3CHi4c3gJdkjBIWSX8= -=3duR ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n-- - - - - \start -To: njas@research.att.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:26:18 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Neil Sloane Subject: Re: a small problem installing axiom! > @@ -4219,18 +3512,10 @@ AXIOM=/path_to_axiom_tree/target/x86_64-unknown-linux As Martin wrote noweb is needed inside wh-sandbox directory. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:47:08 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Creating executables which use Lisp compiler > Greetings! @@ -4279,35 +3564,13 @@ if needed. > > So the question is what is the preferred solution, in particular > > if creator of the executable should change the value of > > si::*system-directory* ? -> > -> > -- -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah -> - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Heow Eide-Goodman'" Heow Eide-Goodman -Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:27:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdn0975sCTiMZAGStKAjd54K4L2vgAhSbSw -Cc: "'Page, Bill'" Bill Page, - 'William Sit' William Sit, list +From: Bill Page +To: Heow Eide-Goodman +Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! +Cc: William Sit On March 16, 2007 10:03 AM Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > @@ -4355,19 +3618,11 @@ link from your web site to our SummerOfCode2007 list. Many thanks again for continuing to think of us. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Issue 336 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:41:39 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Issue 336 Martin Rubey wrote: > If the second argument k is negative, we could return zero. However, I vaguely @@ -4399,18 +3654,11 @@ we may get nonzero limit (so limit as a function of two variables does not exist). We have discontinuity only for integer n and k such that k <= n < 0 (otherwise limit is 0). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Mar 2007 20:16:02 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 336 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 17 Mar 2007 20:16:02 +0100 -Cc: list Der Waldek, @@ -4462,17 +3710,11 @@ If the above limit does not exist, they are all wrong, I guess... BTW, does binomial(n,k)=binomial(n,n-k) hold always? -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Mar 2007 14:21:22 -0500 -Subject: [gdr-sandbox] |shoeread-line| - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: |shoeread-line| renamed to shoeReadLine and moved from initial-env.lisp to in ptyout.boot, the only file that uses it. It is now defined in Boot, @@ -4570,35 +3812,36 @@ Make all-boot with SBCL. \start -Subject: Re: Issue 336 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:42:15 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Issue 336 Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> + > > Martin Rubey wrote: -> > > If the second argument k is negative, we could return zero. However, I vaguely -> > > remember that the definition in terms of Gamma functions does not yield this as -> > > a limit, at least not for any n. Do you happen to remember? -> > > -> > > In fact, if n=k, the definition in terms of Gamma functions always gives one, -> > > no matter whether n is negative of not... -> -> > I would tend to say that binomial(n, k) with k beeing a negative integer is -> > an error. Definition in term of Gamma functions has discontinuity there: if -> > n is non-integer and k tends to negative integer then we get 0 as a limit. -> > Now, if we keep k fixed and let n go to any value we get 0. But if we allow -> > n and k to change simultaneously we may get nonzero limit (so limit as a -> > function of two variables does not exist). We have discontinuity only for + +> > > If the second argument k is negative, we could return +> > > zero. However, I vaguely remember that the definition in terms +> > > of Gamma functions does not yield this as a limit, at least not +> > > for any n. Do you happen to remember? In fact, if n=k, the +> > > definition in terms of Gamma functions always gives one, no +> > > matter whether n is negative of not... + +> > I would tend to say that binomial(n, k) with k beeing a negative +> > integer is an error. Definition in term of Gamma functions has +> > discontinuity there: if n is non-integer and k tends to negative +> > integer then we get 0 as a limit. Now, if we keep k fixed and let +> > n go to any value we get 0. But if we allow n and k to change +> > simultaneously we may get nonzero limit (so limit as a function of +> > two variables does not exist). We have discontinuity only for > > integer n and k such that k <= n < 0 (otherwise limit is 0). -> -> I should know, but I don't: is there a sensible definition of the binomial -> coefficient which disagrees with the definition in terms of Gamma functions at -> certain values? -> + +> I should know, but I don't: is there a sensible definition of the +> binomial coefficient which disagrees with the definition in terms of +> Gamma functions at certain values? + P. Luschny argues in favour of another extension of factorial to analytic function: @@ -4678,19 +3921,11 @@ If you extend definition via continuity it still works. But if one puts some arbitrary value in point of discontinuity then such extension may break equality. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Mar 2007 22:47:46 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 336 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 17 Mar 2007 22:47:46 +0100 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4812,18 +4047,11 @@ mistake, this also questions: > arbitrary value in point of discontinuity then such extension may break > equality. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:33:09 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Issue 336 - <9qabybleyl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <45FC7B75.3000803@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:33:09 +0100 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4882,22 +4110,13 @@ sgcf.spad:287: if binomial$ICF (y,s) > mm then leave sgcf.spad:289: mm := mm - binomial$ICF (y-1,s) special.spad:319: cx := (-1)**m * binomial(ni,ni-mi) * factorial(ni) - - - - \start -Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! +Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:59:48 -0400 From: Heow Eide-Goodman To: Bill Page - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; - boundary="=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG" -Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:59:48 -0400 -Cc: "'Page, Bill'" Bill Page, - 'William Sit' William Sit, list - +Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! +Cc: William Sit ---=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG Great guys. @@ -4911,43 +4130,25 @@ the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators - Heow ---=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQBF/cRktl5UqzSuvmwRAlIOAJ43deaui3N6A+hK4kiMBsQFD/nORgCfbXW6 -03fjOXVkk2d3Z3nb3gXf/zs= -=M1pt ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG-- - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Heow Eide-Goodman'" Heow Eide-Goodman -Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:22:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdpsSVX+ww5a2STQIG/mhc7uyIVhAAG3QLg -Cc: "'Page, Bill'" Bill Page, list +From: Bill Page +To: Heow Eide-Goodman +Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! Heow, > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SummerOfCode2007 > -=20 + On March 18, 2007 7:00 PM you wrote: > > Great guys. ->=20 -> Go ahead and sign up as mentors here, under "Registering to=20 +> +> Go ahead and sign up as mentors here, under "Registering to > Participate in the Program": ->=20 +> > http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-t= o-t @@ -4961,19 +4162,11 @@ to register - at least I did receive the message: "LispNYC.org Your Mentoring Acceptance is Pending" -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Issue 336 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:45:33 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Issue 336 Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5004,18 +4197,10 @@ is of any use. If we agree that such binomials are useless it is reasonable to make a global assumption that k >= 0 (to some degree it is similar to current assumption that variables are real). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:07:57 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Axiom package system Bill Page wrote: @@ -5046,18 +4231,10 @@ the code in a file or package. This is particularly good for cases where multiple packages outside the main Axiom tree are used together and thus one or more requirements might not be present "by default." -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:10:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdqJ56S0bP+G2h3QeiLiLtEKg+0zAAOVhHQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Axiom package system On March 19, 2007 9:08 AM C Y wrote @@ -5120,18 +4297,10 @@ you explain? Can you give an example of this in any existing package management system, e.g. Debian apt-get, RedHat Yum, etc. ? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:45:24 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Re: Axiom package system Bill Page wrote: @@ -5181,20 +4350,11 @@ Perhaps there are better ways of doing that, it's just an idea. Obviously it's a bit more of a development tool than a package tool, but it would help in building external packages. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:36:10 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <200702152035.PAA59715@fry.research.att.com> - <200703160412.l2G4CKEU978344@fry.research.att.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package Hi Bill, @@ -5218,16 +4378,10 @@ course is only a little organization of the current content. More work needs to be done on it. I volunteer to create binaries if a release schedule is decided. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:34:14 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Issue 338 I looked at the issue 338. It seems that we have extra porblem here. @@ -5258,22 +4412,11 @@ I am still investigating if this is a right fix. Also smprep looks inefficient and this change would make it even less efficient than it is now. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:36:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdqoOfSmu9E/IhRQ/ibNsvHGZZy5AAWhM6A -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper Alfredo, @@ -5311,21 +4454,10 @@ wide a range of hardware/operating systems as possible. I think that where it is possible, we should also include Aldor in these binaries. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: , , - "'axiom-dev'" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:50:34 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdq/xzrVXu0iUIAQ7aOeAls4+yGeg== -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Axiom Google Summer of Code Deadline This year LispNYC is offering to support Google-funded Summer of Code @@ -5348,7 +4480,7 @@ he-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants Do not hesitate if your interests do not exactly match the project proposals. All applications relevant to Lisp and Axiom will be considered. Successful applicants will earn up to $US 4,500 this -summer.=20 +summer. Regards, Bill Page. @@ -5356,19 +4488,13 @@ Bill Page. PS. Since the time is very short please advertise this offer within your department/organization as soon as possible. - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 Mar 2007 11:23:02 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -5388,20 +4514,12 @@ still called "Silver". Waldek sent a list ago (I don't have that mail right now), we should work out the details for backport. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:36:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrA1WvYx3Df5eFRReGV9ZrY3qudwAARVJg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On March 20, 2007 12:23 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -5440,23 +4558,14 @@ in a good position to do this. But with your direction I am certainly willing to help - especially in testing of the new release. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 Mar 2007 11:49:23 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On March 20, 2007 12:23 PM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -5515,19 +4624,12 @@ I would really like to the fixes Waldek implemented to the Axiom community. Today is already overbooked for me [yeah, spring break was over before it started]. But, tomorrow might be better. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:33:27 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <87wt1bzwq4.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > | From my point of view, the creation of a new "Silver" trunk is > | a little overdue. @@ -5544,19 +4646,12 @@ and greatest from Axiom? I think that Martin package and other quick patches should have been added to silver trunk directly and not to the branches. - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:35:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrDX485qvqbUg7SX2XConMpIk90gABVzrQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On March 20, 2007 12:33 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > @@ -5610,23 +4705,12 @@ much better just to re-define it as something very close to the current wh-sandbox (or build-improvements with wh-sandbox backports). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:15:48 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <007201c76b16$261f0c50$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > wh-sandbox has implemented a radically different algebra build > process that avoids many of the problems associated with the @@ -5665,18 +4749,11 @@ By the way, what should be done with Axiom@Google? If we cannot keep it up to date, I think we should remove it, especially now that the problems with sourceforge look like they have been solved. - - \start Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:01:03 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <007201c76b16$261f0c50$6900a8c0@asus> - - <20070320134708.gbzb82db4gowogos@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper On 3/20/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Quoting Alfredo Portes: @@ -5690,29 +4767,21 @@ On 3/20/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > future development. Have everyone agrees on a roadmap to be followed. > -I can do that. But then we cannot duplicate a directory like last time or we are -going to have the disk space problem again. But should /trunk be removed first? -If Bill agrees, I can ask Ben to repopulate like he did last time. +I can do that. But then we cannot duplicate a directory like last time +or we are going to have the disk space problem again. But should +/trunk be removed first? If Bill agrees, I can ask Ben to repopulate +like he did last time. > What? we did that last time it didn't work? Hmm, out of idea :-( The nth time should be the lucky one. :-) -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:08:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrG+VhJd2GEqKzRKGv8dVAZEUDgAABYb2g -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis On March 20, 2007 2:16 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > ... @@ -5752,22 +4821,11 @@ environment. What I would like to do is re-populate it with the new Silver (= build-improvements + wh-sandbox) minus all the history. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:16:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrIizqY0n5lrlZSHmGHbax0/td1wAAT41Q -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper On March 20, 2007 3:01 PM Alfredo Portes > @@ -5810,24 +4868,15 @@ would prefer to reset to 0 and then simply import the source Yes, let's do it again. -Regards, -Bill Page. +\start +Date: 21 Mar 2007 11:40:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Bill Page writes: - - - -\start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Mar 2007 11:40:02 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: - -[...] +[...] | > I can do that. But then we cannot duplicate a directory like | > last time or we are going to have the disk space problem again. @@ -5850,24 +4899,16 @@ windows at the moment. However, I would like not have to spend time solving Windows specific issues. So, a single uniform code base is a must. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:24:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdrzt7fZDNA2RsmRJKjT56Cw3yNsAABcFeQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper On March 21, 2007 12:40 PM Gaby wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -5896,17 +4937,10 @@ I vote: Yes. And I volunteer to help with both efforts in any way possible. -Regards, -Bill page. - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:39:29 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: noweb and SVN Looking at build problem (reported in private mail) I noticed @@ -5926,18 +4960,11 @@ notably with Makefile.in. I think the the most natural solution for this problem is to require already installed external noweb. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:20:36 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -Cc: list On 03/21/2007 06:39 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Looking at build problem (reported in private mail) I noticed @@ -5970,19 +4997,11 @@ not live inside the repository. That clearly gets my support. -Ralf - - - - - - \start +Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:23:03 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:23:03 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6027,17 +5046,11 @@ Let see, what the requirements would be: at least for the time being. (4) needs installed latex --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:28:26 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: noweb and SVN - <46017774.407@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:28:26 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -6068,18 +5081,11 @@ It can be worked around by first 'touch'ing noweb/src/c/*.c. I know how Tim feels about it; Bill what is your opinion? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: noweb and SVN Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:33:54 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdr3+lWABn0gb/0T4mv+JomMvVlfgABvutQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: noweb and SVN On March 21, 2007 1:39 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -6099,21 +5105,13 @@ external gcl. We can do what is necessary to warn and advise the user what to do when noweb or gcl are not found and we can supply a non-trunk copy of these in the Axiom repository. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:40:24 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -6132,18 +5130,12 @@ readly available noweb. I'm less enthousistic about the removal of GCL for the moment. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / - paper -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:56:01 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > wh-sandbox has implemented a radically different algebra build @@ -6166,22 +5158,14 @@ and similar to bootstrap procedure. Also, IIUC Martin's package needs various algebra fixes. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / - paper -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:15:00 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -6208,19 +5192,10 @@ get copy of Axiom repository will get all of this. (AFAIUI normal user on SourceForge can not remove anything from repository -- old versions stay there forever). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:23:33 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-combinat-devel , - aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: Emacs+ALLPROSE workaround for #line problem Versions of the Aldor compiler up to 1.0.3 (I have not actually checked @@ -6283,36 +5258,26 @@ how I can get rid of those buffers in allprose-workaround-aldor-next-error ? (global-set-key [(meta f12)] 'allprose-workaround-aldor-next-error) - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Mar 2007 22:14:08 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: spad-save - Tim -- Is there a particular reason why "spad-save" is defined in package "user", instead of "boot"? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: noweb and SVN - <87ircugzbr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Mar 2007 22:19:57 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: noweb and SVN Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| Bill Page writes: | | [...] | @@ -6329,48 +5294,30 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | However, we must document the dependency and point to/put a copy of | readly available noweb. -Done. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:59:17 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: FrontPage/Google SOC The summer of code deadline has been pushed back to March 26th: http://code.google.com/soc/ - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:20:17 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: silver/gold I'm still in the process of trying to merge silver/BI/WH-sandbox. I'm currently tracking down a compiler bug that was introduced by one of the interp changes causing the compile of EXPR.spad to fail. -t - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:54:10 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: spad-save Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -6381,22 +5328,12 @@ Quoting Tim Daly: yes. The package "user" is not required to exist an ANSI comforming Lisp implementation. Therefore, we have a portability problem. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Mar 2007 13:37:31 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6423,18 +5360,10 @@ Aistleitner's AldorUnit to libaxiom. This would save us a *lot* of trouble, concerning the algebra. (More precisely, we could make it less likely that a fix breaks other things - in a *very* axiom-like manner.) -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:01:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdtZIAGPP1vl33ZSjGyGYW9mSPYiA== -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Science calls Sage a "supercomputer" In a recent widely distributed online edition of Science @@ -6498,20 +5427,11 @@ to promote our work this way? BTW, congratulations to the mathematicians of the Atlas project. In spite of the hype, this is of course a momentus result! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:25:57 -0700 -To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Science calls Sage a - "supercomputer" +From: Justin Walker +To: list +Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Science calls Sage a "supercomputer" On Mar 23, 2007, at 09:01 , Bill Page wrote: @@ -6531,29 +5451,12 @@ I think that they used sage.math, not SAGE. Still, there is a bunch of hype that could be misleading, but I don't think it's a big deal. "Any publicity...", as has been often observed. -Justin - --- -Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large -Institute for the Absorption of Federal Funds --------- -Men are from Earth. -Women are from Earth. - Deal with it. --------- - - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Mar 2007 19:07:07 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Remove dead packages - This patch removes dead packages SCRATCHPAD_COMPILER and SPECFNSF. Furthermore, it removes "define-macro" which is not used anywhere. GCL's extension system::getenv is consistently used with @@ -7624,20 +6527,12 @@ contain Boot to Lisp translator, and Axiom interpreter and compilers. `(- ,@args)) --- 232,237 ---- - - - - \start Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:45:46 +0100 -From: Ralf Stephan +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <007201c76b16$261f0c50$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > wh-sandbox has implemented a radically different algebra build > process that avoids many of the problems associated with the @@ -7655,21 +6550,12 @@ and, apart from some make problems (which I reported on one of the lists), I could build it and install/run the Guess packages successfully. - -ralf - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Mar 2007 19:50:30 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] make-depsys - -Hi, - Currently build-depsys calls make-depsys to load some type information (.fn files), proclaim into ./proclaims.lisp, and load that file. Anyone who has looked at ./proclaims.lisp knows @@ -7800,15 +6686,12 @@ Built on an i686-pc-linux-gnu. (in-package "BOOT") --- 1583,1588 ---- - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:30:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org, - 'Ondrej Certik' Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] limits +Cc: Ondrej Certik Hello, @@ -7852,25 +6735,10 @@ Unfortunately, I haven't found a .pdf file of Gruntz thesis, but shouldn't we copy it to a section on http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs ? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:58:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4603D304.4070801@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230714j1dbb551ek127668bb43e08a08@mail.gmail.com> - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Limits in Axiom Let me copy that to axiom-dev since others might jump in... @@ -7913,25 +6781,10 @@ a=X is the "multiplication by x"-operator. Then you would have D*X=X*D+1. Anyway, could you list a few more detailed requirements of the Gruntz algorithm? What is simple, what do you think is complicated? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:51:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Commutative symbols was: Re: Limits in Axiom >> However, I must say that your expression approach is limited in the @@ -7952,25 +6805,10 @@ Hmmm, I would have thought that commutativity is a property of the multiplication of the domain you are working in and not a property of a symbol. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:04:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Limits in Axiom On 03/26/2007 12:08 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -8028,30 +6866,11 @@ to include part of his thesis in an Axiom pamphlet then. Isn't there someone interested in this limit stuff? I think this is not the main thing I want to follow now. -Best regards -Ralf - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke, Ondrej Certik -Subject: re: Limits in Axiom - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A8C8.10103@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Mar 2007 14:08:26 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev - - +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Ondrej Certik +Subject: re: Limits in Axiom > > For someone who knows Axiom well, it should take like a week of a work. In > > SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I had to implement many @@ -8064,25 +6883,10 @@ In fact, I'd also have some other stuff that just waits to be implemented, maybe of interest for people doing analysis, but also for combinatorialists like myself... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:49:36 +0000 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A8C8.10103@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Limits in Axiom > Aha. Do you have lots of testcases like that one in SymPy? @@ -8114,24 +6918,10 @@ all the tests run. So we have tests for every functionality that we want SymPy to have. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:36:19 +0000 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Commutative symbols was: Re: Limits in Axiom > Hmmm, I would have thought that commutativity is a property of the @@ -8153,24 +6943,10 @@ and when you think about it, it's actually the symbols, that have this property - either you can commute it out of the expression, or you cannot. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:08:47 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Limits in Axiom > Ah, but that means formal power series with symbolic coefficients? Or @@ -8241,17 +7017,12 @@ work. In SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I had to implement many other things and I was spending most of the time in the series facility. -Ondrej - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Mar 2007 07:05:20 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] depsys - Hi, Currently we build four Lisp images in src/ @@ -13601,23 +12372,10 @@ is successful. ;; *) - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:02:24 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260536n6c490369o50a702fd592c75fe@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Commutative symbols On 03/26/2007 02:36 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -13675,24 +12433,10 @@ Maybe this is not what you want... Yes, here A and B are actually matrices, not symbols. It depends on what you want. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:17:51 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260536n6c490369o50a702fd592c75fe@mail.gmail.com> - <4607E080.4010000@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Commutative symbols On 3/26/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -13850,24 +12594,10 @@ Out[15]: 2 But anyway, those are just minor details. I am sure every CAS can work with such objects in some way. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:24:49 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260536n6c490369o50a702fd592c75fe@mail.gmail.com> - <4607E080.4010000@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260817x148df754lfa912f7fee6f7585@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Commutative symbols > But matrices are different kind of objects. I was talking about just @@ -13884,82 +12614,42 @@ the relevant code (if we won't count comments and helper functions like delta and epsilon) is below 20 lines. That's what I mean when I want to have a CAS, that is easily extensible. -Ondrej - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly, "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:05:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdr0gcdIhImuUsRST6sxSsTZbgENAAAQBDgAP02QMA= -Cc: list -Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline: March - 27th +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline: March 27th Dear Axiom Developers; -Well, we are nearly at the end of the SoC application phase and so far = -we -only have one very weak but still surviving application concerning = -Groebner -Basis in Lisp (or maybe Axiom). This is very disappointing to me. :-( = -Surely +Well, we are nearly at the end of the SoC application phase and so far we +only have one very weak but still surviving application concerning Groebner +Basis in Lisp (or maybe Axiom). This is very disappointing to me. :-( Surely there are some students out there somewhere who would want to spend the -summer learning and doing something about computer algebra with Axiom! = -After +summer learning and doing something about computer algebra with Axiom! After all $US 4,500 for 3 months work is not that trivial, I think. -If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone you know = -who -might have at least some interest in this to submit a brief application = -as +If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone you know who +might have at least some interest in this to submit a brief application as soon as possible today at: In the conference this morning LispNYC agreed to wait until midnight -(Eastern Daylight Time), today, 26 March before closing the applications = -and +(Eastern Daylight Time), today, 26 March before closing the applications and final evaluation. Please do whatever you can do today to encourage more people to apply. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly, "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:09:07 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60" -Thread-Index: AcdvyHm+7FwSOKleRF6U5DLCK4rolAAALCeg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: FW: Mentor Meeting Wrapup -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60 - charset="us-ascii" - Correction: Please note the deadline: - midnight UTC (5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern) -----Original Message----- From: Heow Eide-Goodman [mailto:Heow Eide-Goodman] -Sent: March 26, 2007 1:02 PM -To: ... -Subject: Mentor Meeting Wrapup - Guys, @@ -14000,39 +12690,15 @@ Rating stops at midnight UTC (5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern). - Heow -------=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60 - name="signature.asc" - filename="signature.asc" - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQBGB/xxtl5UqzSuvmwRAlcyAKCyqTXYEFrjffzHnro39g9pixOsSQCdGpNF -DgNQSg5Usm2jfgS8WnUryG8= -=qoZQ ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - -------=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60-- - - - - - -\start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page, - Tim Daly, "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:14:51 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdr0gcdIhImuUsRST6sxSsTZbgENAAAQBDgAP02QMAAAIO3AA== -Cc: list -Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline +\start +Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:14:51 -0400 +From: Bill Page +To: Bill Page, Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline On March 26, 2007 1:06 PM I wrote: > ... -> If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone=20 +> If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone > you know who might have at least some interest in this to submit > a brief application as soon as possible today at: > ... @@ -14041,63 +12707,38 @@ I intended to also provide this link to the online Google Summer of Code application form: -http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-t= -o-t -he-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants - -=20 -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - +http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:47:05 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Limits in Axiom - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A8C8.10103@hemmecke.de> <9qbqiggqbp.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev On 26 Mar 2007 14:08:26 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > -> -> > > For someone who knows Axiom well, it should take like a week of a work. In -> > > SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I had to implement many -> > > other things and I was spending most of the time in the series facility. -> -> So, if you get help from an expert Axiom programmer :-), would you be prepared -> to do it? If not, what would it take to get you interested? -> + +> > > For someone who knows Axiom well, it should take like a week of +> > > a work. In SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I +> > > had to implement many other things and I was spending most of +> > > the time in the series facility. + +> So, if you get help from an expert Axiom programmer :-), would you +> be prepared to do it? If not, what would it take to get you +> interested? + > In fact, I'd also have some other stuff that just waits to be implemented, > maybe of interest for people doing analysis, but also for combinatorialists > like myself... - Well, I also have many nice ideas for SymPy. But currently, I don't have much time even for SymPy either, but fortunately, I hopefully got some students interested, so I am curious how all this turns out. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:55:40 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4607848E.7020701@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] limits > Unfortunately, I haven't found a .pdf file of Gruntz thesis, but @@ -14106,17 +12747,12 @@ http://sympy.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/gruntz.pdf Ondrej - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Mar 2007 11:05:40 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: depsys and SBCL - -Hello, - In my local tree, I was able to eventually twist Axiom to get it compilable by SBCL. During that process, I unconvered various dubious practices in the current system (mainly between vmlisp.lisp and @@ -14153,15 +12789,10 @@ is more widely uniform. This is a change for people connecting Axiom to Aldor through FOAM. Please speak up. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:37:22 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Axiom startup Paul Graham, a noted lisper, has an interesting web page up @@ -14200,17 +12831,10 @@ of an investment chain. But he has again "raised an ache" for doing Axiom full time. -Sigh. - -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:04:30 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: CAS for the masses Gaby writes: @@ -14252,16 +12876,11 @@ This is the primary reason why it makes no sense to "export" an equation from Axiom and the "import" it again. Much is lost when the type is removed in favor of the text iconic representation. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 28 Mar 2007 03:35:00 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Mar 2007 03:35:00 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -14311,15 +12930,10 @@ obscure type system. yes, but they ar ento yet in Axiom, so it is hard to make concrete arrguments with it :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:38:13 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: patch for binomial coefficient / bug 336 I just did svn up, many thanks for including the patches. However, for some @@ -14411,16 +13025,11 @@ Index: combfunc.spad.pamphlet iibinom l == (r1 := retractIfCan(first l)@Union(R,"failed")) case "failed" or - - - \start +Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:45:53 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Examples for good types - <87ejn96a17.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:45:53 +0200 -Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org Dear all, @@ -14469,19 +13078,11 @@ Schur function corresponding to the partition $(1,1)$: 2 2 Type: SymmetricPolynomial Fraction Integer - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:53:02 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) Dear Waldek, @@ -14788,20 +13389,11 @@ indeed, ALIST.NRLIB is missing, although many other NRLIB's are present: ./int/algebra/FDIVCAT-.NRLIB ./int/algebra/FFCAT-.NRLIB -Please help, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:56:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <87ejn96a17.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: > | The usual example is: > | @@ -14835,17 +13427,12 @@ I've just cooked up another one... (5) -> (5) 0 - - - \start +Date: 28 Mar 2007 04:17:12 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Mar 2007 04:17:12 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14876,16 +13463,12 @@ encountered with the Lisp translator/compiler. Could you look at the build log, especially build/i686-pc-linux-gnu/trace (assuming you're running GNU/Linux and your laptop is x86 based?) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:48 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > The usual example is: > @@ -14918,17 +13501,12 @@ Fraction Integer or Fraction Polynomial Integer? Because having the expression in the form of the 4 basic classes (Add, Mul, Pow, Integer), everything else can be easily inferred from this. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:50:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 03/28/2007 12:29 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> The usual example is: @@ -14984,26 +13562,19 @@ The solution in Q[x] is... *no solution*. Do you see that there is a difference. -Ralf - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 12:59:15 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Advantage of Types and different - representations +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: Advantage of Types and different representations +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Dear all, Please reply to axiom-math@nongnu.org. -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: > > 2 > > 3x + 2x + 18 @@ -15044,20 +13615,12 @@ I should add: it is indeed useful to have such a representation, too. (called: ExpressionTree). Many things are easier to do with ExpressionTrees. But even better is to have both, as we do in Axiom/Aldor. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) - <87648l682v.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 13:01:57 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Dear Gaby, @@ -15098,21 +13661,14 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > > Could you look at the build log, especially build/i686-pc-linux-gnu/trace > (assuming you're running GNU/Linux and your laptop is x86 based?) -> -> -- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Mar 2007 06:19:10 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > The usual example is: | > @@ -15201,18 +13757,11 @@ as control over which operations can be meaningfully applied to the objects. Again, I refer back to Luca Cardelli's paper about the value of types in software development. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:42:26 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> - <87ps6t4nv5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list Hi, those are arguments for using types, I understand that. @@ -15235,7 +13784,7 @@ This would make sense to me, and we could do it in SymPy as well. Ondrej On 28 Mar 2007 06:19:10 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Ondrej Certik" writes: +> Ondrej Certik writes: > > | > The usual example is: > | > @@ -15323,23 +13872,13 @@ On 28 Mar 2007 06:19:10 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > as control over which operations can be meaningfully applied to the > objects. Again, I refer back to Luca Cardelli's paper about the value > of types in software development. -> -> -- Gaby -> - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) - <87648l682v.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qejn9pr6i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:28:19 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey writes: @@ -16197,17 +14736,12 @@ Time: 0.31 SEC. (1) -> - - - \start -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:46:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -16255,34 +14789,26 @@ the target/i686-pc-linux/algebra directory and also copy it to code.o file (if all files related to ISUPS are in place and look up to date make should go on to the next file). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:10:12 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Hello, ->=20 +> > In my local tree, I was able to eventually twist Axiom to get it > compilable by SBCL. During that process, I unconvered various dubious > practices in the current system (mainly between vmlisp.lisp and > macro.lisp). SBCL will accept to compile depsys only if I tell it to > ignore many redefinitions of Common Lisp symbols (I'll discuss that in > a separate message). ->=20 +> > CLISP almost compiles SBCL -- it errors out on def.lisp saying > that there is an illegal character #\Stx in the source file -- I have > no idea of what that means. If I omit def.lisp, the depsys -> compiles fine --=20 +> compiles fine -- Hmm... I forgot to add this issue to my TODO list. I temporary followed how GCL behaves i.e omit it. I was/am pretty sure this is incorrect but @@ -16303,20 +14829,20 @@ must be done carefully). No idea. > Ah, one more thing: Currently, there is this dubious definition in -> foam_l.lisp:=20 ->=20 +> foam_l.lisp: +> > #+:AKCL > (deftype |DFlo| () t) > #-:AKCL > (deftype |DFlo| () 'long-float) ->=20 +> > followed by ->=20 +> > (defconstant |DFloInit| (the |DFlo| 0.0d0)) ->=20 +> > which is an error because 0.0d0 is not long-float -- rather a double-fl= oat. ->=20 +> > Looking more at this, I think the |DFlo| should not be conditional. I don't know why the Aldor implementers used the t type to define DFlo @@ -16350,15 +14876,10 @@ Greg a 32 bit CMUCL in a 64 bit environment (64 bits aldor) [1] This is, apparently, a generated file (from a as file). - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:03:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: kTuple wish The following text describes a weakness of the Aldor language. @@ -16530,29 +15051,18 @@ but if S maps everything to the same domain, should it reject it? I'd rather live with "rejection", but since I am not a compiler developer, I would like to hear people with more inside. -Thank you in advance - -Ralf - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" , - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: CAS for the masses Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:19:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdxLiz0hwTqohhYSjaS1qFtZnD7LQAF+DOw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: CAS for the masses On March 28, 2007 7:42 AM Ondrej Certik wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Expression tree (Add, Mul,...) are very low level types, and > you have many algorithms, that work with high level types like > Polynomial, Fraction, ODE, DAE, PDE, etc. I understand that. ->=20 +> I think that there may be two problems with this discussion so far. @@ -16579,8 +15089,8 @@ complex numbers something like the following: class Complex: "Example to demonstrate SPAD equivalent of Python Classes" def __init__(self, realpart, imagpart): - self.r =3D realpart - self.i =3D imagpart + self.r = realpart + self.i = imagpart def real(self): return self.r def imag(self): @@ -16602,8 +15112,8 @@ class Complex: self.real()*b.imag() + self.imag()*b.real()) ### ->>> x =3D Complex(3.0, -4.5) ->>> y =3D Complex(-2.0, 5.4) +>>> x = Complex(3.0, -4.5) +>>> y = Complex(-2.0, 5.4) >>> print x 3.0 - i 4.5 >>> print x+y @@ -16633,21 +15143,21 @@ ComplexSpad(): with _+: (%,%) -> % ++ __add__ in Python _*: (%,%) -> % ++ __mul__ in Python coerce: % -> OutputForm ++ __str__ in Python - =3D=3D add - Rep =3D=3D> Record(r:Float,i:Float) + == add + Rep ==> Record(r:Float,i:Float) import Rep, OutputForm, Symbol - new(realpart:Float,imagpart:Float):% =3D=3D [realpart,imagpart] = + new(realpart:Float,imagpart:Float):% == [realpart,imagpart] = pretend % - coerce(x:Float):% =3D=3D new(x,0) - real(x:%):Float =3D=3D (x pretend Rep).r - imag(x:%):Float =3D=3D (x pretend Rep).i - _+(x:%, y:%):% =3D=3D + coerce(x:Float):% == new(x,0) + real(x:%):Float == (x pretend Rep).r + imag(x:%):Float == (x pretend Rep).i + _+(x:%, y:%):% == new(real(x)+real(y), imag(x)+imag(y)) - _*(x:%, y:%):% =3D=3D + _*(x:%, y:%):% == new(real(x)*real(y) - imag(x)*imag(y), real(x)*imag(y) + imag(x)*real(y)) - coerce(x:%):OutputForm =3D=3D=20 + coerce(x:%):OutputForm == if imag(x)<0 then real(x)::OutputForm - outputForm("i"::Symbol) * (-imag(x))::OutputForm @@ -16671,11 +15181,11 @@ Documents/complex.spad Then we may use this new domain like this: -(1) -> x :=3D new(3.0, -4.5)$ComplexSpad +(1) -> x := new(3.0, -4.5)$ComplexSpad (1) 3.0 - i 4.5 Type: ComplexSpad -(2) -> y :=3D new(-2.0, 5.4)$ComplexSpad +(2) -> y := new(-2.0, 5.4)$ComplexSpad (2) - 2.0 + i 5.4 Type: ComplexSpad @@ -16716,7 +15226,7 @@ http://docs.python.org/tut/node11.html For Python programmers the best introduction to domains and categories in Axiom is probably the Axiom book: -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/book2.pdf#page=3D940 +http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/book2.pdf#page=940 You might want to consult the Aldor user's guide: @@ -16778,31 +15288,23 @@ a large number of special functions. > A place that occurs to me to do it is just right after the > evaluation to the canonical form: ->=20 +> > like Add(x,x) automatically converts to Mul(2,x) and here, at > this place, the CAS would check the expression and says: hey - > the Mul(2,x) is a polynomial, let's return a Polynomial class > instead. ->=20 +> > This would make sense to me, and we could do it in SymPy as well. ->=20 +> I think what Axiom is doing is very different. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:03:20 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -16835,16 +15337,10 @@ Cannot create the file FAMR2.erlib/index.KAF. (Note that FAMR2 does *not* depend on SUPEXPR...) -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:28:29 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: new problem compiling wh-sandbox Martin, @@ -16868,16 +15364,12 @@ apply each one, and then fully check the system. It is a slow, tedious process and, unfortunately, won't have results in time for your needs. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:11:00 +0200 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Tim Daly writes: @@ -16912,13 +15404,6 @@ I'm glad that you are doing this! Don't worry, I found a well-working workaround: ssh -X aquin, where I have a working system. -All the best, - -Martin - - - - Below part of the "gseries.as.nw" test file. Note that the machinery of AldorUnit automatically creates a file "gseries.signatures.as", which contains the signatures necessary to compile "gseries.as". @@ -16996,16 +15481,12 @@ testComposeBell(): () == { @ %TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:40:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox - <9qtzw4bhbf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Hello, @@ -17102,20 +15583,11 @@ Ralf > } > @ > %TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:10:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Bug? Am I doing something wrong? @@ -17155,14 +15627,12 @@ MyRing ==> with ---END abc.input - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:32:04 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <00dc01c771ca$2c707b10$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Thanks for your explanation - I didn't know there is a distinction between symbolic manipulation (computation) and computer algebra @@ -17414,21 +15884,12 @@ On 3/29/07, Bill Page wrote: > > > > I think what Axiom is doing is very different. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:20:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:20:36 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -17443,16 +15904,11 @@ from wh-sandbox in build-improvements. Do you have initial guesses? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:26:42 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:26:42 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -17487,18 +15943,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: I may be wrong but I don't think the "Input" language supports category, domains and package expressions. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Bug? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:29:17 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdx8quysN3tCEBHRXOciz1eHX0LLgAGjp6A -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Bug? On March 29, 2007 7:10 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -17542,20 +15991,12 @@ named 'abc.spad' and you enter the command: Or do I misunderstand your intentions? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:37:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17615,20 +16056,11 @@ I think this is normal The only regularity I see is that your problems involve system calls. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: new problem compiling wh-sandbox Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:40:05 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdyDYXnZJWzrIvnSeG6+SLIFRkkeQAATNTg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly +Subject: RE: new problem compiling wh-sandbox On March 29, 2007 10:21 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -17672,21 +16104,13 @@ and the build completes normally. I am not sure whether this is related to Martin and Tim's problem or not but it is my initial guess. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:47:33 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On March 29, 2007 10:21 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -17740,53 +16164,42 @@ Anyway, it is useful configuration information to have. Did we have Axiom buildable with another Lisp system we would have a different angle from which to attack the issue... --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bug? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:48:42 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bug? -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | The interpreter does not directly support | the notation for categories, domains or packages. Yes, and I consider that a bug. But, I've already said that. :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:05:48 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: -| Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +| Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : | > Hello, -| >=20 +| > | > In my local tree, I was able to eventually twist Axiom to get it | > compilable by SBCL. During that process, I unconvered various dubious | > practices in the current system (mainly between vmlisp.lisp and | > macro.lisp). SBCL will accept to compile depsys only if I tell it to | > ignore many redefinitions of Common Lisp symbols (I'll discuss that in | > a separate message). -| >=20 +| > | > CLISP almost compiles SBCL -- it errors out on def.lisp saying | > that there is an illegal character #\Stx in the source file -- I have | > no idea of what that means. If I omit def.lisp, the depsys -| > compiles fine --=20 -|=20 +| > compiles fine -- +| | Hmm... I forgot to add this issue to my TODO list. I temporary followed | how GCL behaves i.e omit it. I was/am pretty sure this is incorrect but | as far as I know this part of code is not used. I just commented out @@ -17798,7 +16211,7 @@ Hi Greg, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. | >I have not tried the resulting translator however. -|=20 +| | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(function | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and this | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find in @@ -17809,28 +16222,28 @@ I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' work? | > This is just a head up. If you know anything about the illegal | > character \#Stx, please let me know. -|=20 +| | No idea. OK. | > Ah, one more thing: Currently, there is this dubious definition in -| > foam_l.lisp:=20 -| >=20 +| > foam_l.lisp: +| > | > #+:AKCL | > (deftype |DFlo| () t) | > #-:AKCL | > (deftype |DFlo| () 'long-float) -| >=20 +| > | > followed by -| >=20 +| > | > (defconstant |DFloInit| (the |DFlo| 0.0d0)) -| >=20 +| > | > which is an error because 0.0d0 is not long-float -- rather a double-fl= oat. -| >=20 +| > | > Looking more at this, I think the |DFlo| should not be conditional. -|=20 +| | I don't know why the Aldor implementers used the t type to define DFlo | on AKCL and since we do not have access to the Aldor source code it's | difficult to know why. There are other issues in this file, for example @@ -17853,7 +16266,7 @@ I have not installed Aldor on my machine. | > -- it fits more in most modern FPU and its underyling representation | > is more widely uniform. | > This is a change for people connecting Axiom to Aldor through FOAM. -|=20 +| | I totally agree, this should be done everywhere (in the algebra too: | DFLOAT.spad). From what I know the Lisp double-float type is generally a | hardware float (see for example @@ -17863,18 +16276,12 @@ I have not installed Aldor on my machine. OK. Thanks for your feedback. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" -Subject: RE: CAS for the masses Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:13:48 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdx/kLRpkRl+vw6SbKzQJKZLdSG0QAEeZ1g -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: RE: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On March 29, 2007 8:32 AM Ondrej Certik wrote: > @@ -17934,21 +16341,11 @@ some form of type reflection, e.g. isinstance. Because of this the claim is that it is diffcult (but maybe not impossible) to write efficient generic code in the current versions of Python. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Bug? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:32:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdyEyyBszbUpVeQT7SFLTvUtnBEdAAA0YvQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Bug? On March 29, 2007 11:03 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -17982,18 +16379,10 @@ I think what you were trying to show is easily possible. Yes please reproduce on another SandBox page and a little later today I will see if I can solve the problem. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:46:15 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: root cause the "root cause" of the failure is unknown, but it first @@ -18002,15 +16391,10 @@ these seemed to be ok but they might have triggered another bug somewhere else. so far i've been unsuccessful in finding the bug so i've started over. -t - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:51:52 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list Subject: aldorunit vs regression tests the AldorUnit package is testing algebra functions for correct results. @@ -18023,32 +16407,22 @@ a correct result and an incorrect result. only different results matter. regression testing is much weaker than unit testing but attacks the problem at hand, i.e. does this break something? -t - - - \start -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> <87k5x0xf77.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:54:41 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 10:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : [...] -> |=20 -> | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(funct= -ion -> | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and thi= -s +> | +> | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(function +> | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and this > | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find in -> | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (th= -at +> | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (that > | must be done carefully). ->=20 -> I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' wo= -rk? +> +> I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' work? Here are the Juergen Weiss sources: @@ -18058,22 +16432,11 @@ and mine http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-cl.tar.gz - -Greg - - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> <87k5x0xf77.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1175183682.7925.3.camel@ellipse> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:04:45 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL And see also this message if you want to build it: @@ -18081,48 +16444,31 @@ http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00202.html (this version is very handy when you want to debug Axiom) -Greg - - Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 17:54 +0200, Gregory Vanuxem a =E9crit : > Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 10:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > [...] -> > |=20 -> > | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(fun= -ction -> > | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and t= -his -> > | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find i= -n -> > | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (= -that +> > | +> > | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(function +> > | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and this +> > | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find in +> > | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (that > > | must be done carefully). -> >=20 -> > I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' = -work? ->=20 +> > +> > I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' work? +> > Here are the Juergen Weiss sources: ->=20 +> > http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/weiss/axiom_cmu.tgz ->=20 +> > and mine ->=20 +> > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-cl.tar.gz ->=20 ->=20 -> Greg ->=20 - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:13:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Bug? -Cc: list >> Do you want me to repoduce the behaviour on the Sandbox? >> @@ -18146,22 +16492,13 @@ A: with {foo: % -> %} with == add {...} Well, it looks weird, but I think the language definition doesn't forbid that. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:13:03 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> <87k5x0xf77.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1175183682.7925.3.camel@ellipse> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Quoting Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem: +Quoting Gregory Vanuxem: > Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 10:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > [...] @@ -18186,21 +16523,12 @@ k? > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-cl.tar.gz > -Thanks. - --- Gaby - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:02:37 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hallo Bill, @@ -18215,18 +16543,11 @@ defined at compile time in aldor". Already Aldor's ability to write domain-constructing functions is a counter example. But you probably meant something else. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 19:37:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: kTuple wish -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Mar 2007 19:37:00 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l - -Dear Ralf, Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18277,18 +16598,11 @@ understand either, in fact: () @ PrimitiveType Comp: 0 msec, Interp: 30 msec -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:39:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: kTuple wish - <9qejn8c5oj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l On 03/29/2007 07:37 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Ralf, @@ -18320,44 +16634,21 @@ String, but rather a t so that t: T. Try to show me such a t. And then try to convince me that it is a Tuple. -Ralf - - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 22:05:02 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: kTuple wish - <9qejn8c5oj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <460C07CD.2010904@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Mar 2007 22:05:02 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel , - aldor-l - -Dear Ralf, I cannot find the mail anymore in which you explained why you want to have several labeltypes for multisort species. I think the argument was because of functorial composition, but I cannot remember well... -Maybe you could repeat. - -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:21:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18407,19 +16698,11 @@ anonymous categories. I guess once Aldor becomes open source we could classify this as a bug. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:24:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Bug? -Cc: list > But Integer has Ring so if you add 3 new functions to Complex2, 1, = > and characteristic() then both Integer and Complex2 can satisfy Ring. @@ -18443,19 +16726,11 @@ So if SPAD cannot handle anonymous categories and is seems it cannot http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxNoAnonymousCategoryMacro then this is a bug even without free Aldor. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:04:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18498,21 +16773,11 @@ _ and now it compiles. http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxNoAnonymousCategoryMacro/diff -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 18:37:34 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Mar 2007 18:37:34 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18544,18 +16809,10 @@ It appears to me that you're confusing the Spad language and the language you can use at the interpreter level (i.e. in ".input" files). --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:07:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: domains with parameters versus Python classes Ralf, @@ -18571,21 +16828,13 @@ For Python developers this might be interpreted as an argument in favor of Python and against Aldor/Spad. So I think we need to find another more convincing example. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 22:12:24 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Ralf, | @@ -18602,26 +16851,15 @@ Cc: list Just be aware that that is a slippery slot... --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:30:16 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > ... > | See: > | @@ -18653,20 +16891,12 @@ or are developing the skills to program in Axiom. If Axiom (and Aldor) has a future, I think we have to find some way to interest even a small share of that talent. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:01:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <460BF12D.3010008@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18704,24 +16934,11 @@ and the module 'new' here: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-new.html -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:49:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes Quoting Bill Page: @@ -18779,18 +16996,11 @@ Spad 20 years later.". Of course there is more to it than that but I still think a comparison between Axiom's Spad and Aldor versus Python is a useful exercise. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:58:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bug? - <87y7lfvcxt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | > we could classify this as a bug. :-) > | @@ -18819,17 +17029,12 @@ CardinalNumber: Join(OrderedSet, AbelianMonoid, Monoid, where the escape mechanism is by double quotes will go away in the future, since it looks too string-like. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:28:59 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <20070330000107.zu6bvx6cu88wcwgc@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis, list +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 03/30/2007 06:01 AM, Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18970,19 +17175,12 @@ Then certainly 'extend' is possible in Python although not at compile-time. With a bit of work one can also achieve arbitrarily many instances of Complex2(Integer). I think one just has to wrap the creation by a function. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:46:25 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <460BF12D.3010008@hemmecke.de> - <20070330000107.zu6bvx6cu88wcwgc@webmail.anikast.ca> - <460CAE2B.4070201@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:46:25 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18999,17 +17197,10 @@ generatingSeries()$B and keep in mind that "Plus(Self, Times(Self, Self))" is a String! -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:30:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes On 03/30/2007 05:07 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -19090,19 +17281,11 @@ nasty) to create an element which is *not* sorted. But I guess, that is not a convincing argument to Python programmers. -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:00:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -19280,17 +17463,11 @@ Yes, but that is not what '__new__' does. It creates whatever class you tell it to create at run-time. During the execution of the program you can add new properties and methods to the class. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:41:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -Cc: list On 03/30/2007 11:00 AM, Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -19472,16 +17649,12 @@ No, but is that possible in Python? Right, modifying a domain by adding or removing functions from it is not possible in Aldor. Is this good or bad or just different? -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:00:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > You are right that I did not state this properly. Of course we can @@ -19505,22 +17678,12 @@ runtime activities would be useless). I think that biggest problem in impementing 'extend' is to provide sane behaviour during redefinition. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:17:02 +0000 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > But the point of this exercise for me is still to present Spad > for Python programmers - not really an argument for or against @@ -19563,19 +17726,12 @@ Aldor, as I think it's not wise and you also think that Python is not wise (otherwise you would already used it), thus I want to understand and point out each other's arguments. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:20:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, 'Gabriel - Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -19609,19 +17765,11 @@ of a Spad program? Is is possible without calling low-level Lisp functions? I thought Aldor 'extend' only produced new loadable object code during compilation. Is that wrong? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:33:48 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> <87y7lfvcxt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <460C98F1.6050501@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:33:48 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -19638,21 +17786,13 @@ Well, you wanted the interpreter to swallow something that can be used only in the compiler. And if you were aware that they were different languages, what did you expect? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <20070330004902.58jq8wnoiu0c8c4w@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:35:16 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -19666,17 +17806,11 @@ Cc: list I believe Guido was aware of Scratchpad. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:40:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <460CF776.7070706@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:40:02 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -19685,23 +17819,13 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Yes, and it is important that Rep does not change at whim. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:44:27 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > But the point of this exercise for me is still to present Spad | > for Python programmers - not really an argument for or against @@ -19742,19 +17866,13 @@ Anyway, I find the idea of luring Python developers into Axiom by showing them how you can write Spad/Aldor programs in Python and vice versa very, let say, curious. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 09:20:21 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: [...] @@ -19769,25 +17887,11 @@ Have a loot at line 368 in src/interp/def.lisp.pamphlet. There are two uses of character Conotrol-B there (at least that is what Emacs shows me). I'm curious about what could have been intended. Tim? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:19:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -19826,26 +17930,13 @@ might also be a good thing. Could you elaborate on why you say it is "very, let say, curious"? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 10:49:11 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: | @@ -19939,16 +18030,12 @@ suggests that there is a problem with Axiom and Spad users who might be leaving in a black hole, but I don't believe the solution to that problem is what I've seen in this thread. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:59:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -20003,18 +18090,11 @@ but Axiom runtime apparently supports it. BTW: My comment is specifically about Axiom, I do not know if Aldor is different here. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 11:17:52 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 11:17:52 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -20033,27 +18113,14 @@ we would like the direct use of assembly instructions reduced the bare minimum. We should augment Spad with constructs that we think are missing. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:52:11 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 30 Mar 2007 10:49:11 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: > | @@ -20071,22 +18138,11 @@ On 30 Mar 2007 10:49:11 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Funny enough, the python webpage used to have something similar to show the similarities with Lisp :-). - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:03:15 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | Not only do we want the program to be correct but we also > | want it to accurately reflect or represent the formal structure @@ -20114,28 +18170,12 @@ where we disagree - why don't we then just use a language which is the most popular? (It doesn't have to be Python, it can be Ruby, or any other, but I think Python is the most popular). -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:21:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Alfredo Portes: @@ -20182,16 +18222,10 @@ Second: it adds some credibility to the idea that an introduction to SPAD for Python programmers might be beneficial for both Axiom and Python developers. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:39:41 -0600 -To: ondreg@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: python vs lisp Python has one major flaw, suffered by all of the lisp-with-parens @@ -20209,16 +18243,10 @@ slices and dices the code in many structural ways. You COULD do this in Python but you'd get a factor of 10 expansion because you'd need parsers and compilers for the various intermediate mini-languages. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:59:30 -0600 -To: ondreg@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: static vs dynamic typing I don't believe that the issue is types at all, neither static @@ -20239,17 +18267,10 @@ this kind of pain when they start mixing user packages. That's not to say that Axiom gets it right, but at least it tries. - -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:00:40 -0600 -To: ondreg@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: life and death For a few years I maintained a CD collection called Rosetta. @@ -20278,32 +18299,13 @@ So the issue isn't really python-vs-spad. The issue is whether you care to spend your time writing code that will die or code that will live. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:02:06 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Ondrej Certik -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list - -Quoting Ondrej Certik : +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes +Quoting Ondrej Certik: > I agree witht the arguments that you presented. Especially with > "There are very @@ -20323,27 +18325,11 @@ couple of years ago, there would be about 9 millions programmers on the planet, out of which 3 millions are claimed to be C++ programmers. --- Gaby - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:30:46 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > > I agree witht the arguments that you presented. Especially with > > "There are very @@ -20375,16 +18361,11 @@ anything of these: number of endusers, number of developers, number of compilers/interpreters, number of jobs offerings (demaning a knowledge of the particular language),...... -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:41:58 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: life and death -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz > I find it frustrating to watch yet-another-CAS being born. > There are 30 years and hundreds of man-years invested in a @@ -20415,31 +18396,13 @@ opinions on this issue, but I really think that what is needed is a CAS that could be used as a library in some major language. And I fear that Axiom couldn't easily be used this way. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:44:31 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Ondrej Certik -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list - -Quoting Ondrej Certik : +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes + +Quoting Ondrej Certik: >> By the way, how do you measure popularity? By numbers published a >> couple of years ago, there would be about 9 millions programmers @@ -20460,27 +18423,11 @@ that would make me qualify Aldor as higher level than C++. Notice that I'm specifically talking of C++, not an imaginary C/C++. --- Gaby - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:50:10 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > I'm sorry to say but in my experience, I don't see Python, Ruby, C# > being higher level than C++. The thing that distinguishes Aldor @@ -20493,18 +18440,12 @@ Well, at least Python and Ruby are much higher level than C++ (there are lists, dictionaries, garbage collector, no pointers, it's dynamic, etc.). And also many times slower. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:00:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: python vs lisp - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz +Cc: Ondrej Certik Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -20548,16 +18489,10 @@ unpickle: Pickeling and unpickeling quite efficient. It is used for example in the Zope database that we use for the Axiom wiki website. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:14:55 -0600 -To: ondrej@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: SymPy code Is your python algebra code available? @@ -20565,16 +18500,12 @@ It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad and see a head-to-head comparison. And, as a major side-effect, increase the range of Axiom -Tim - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:14:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: static vs dynamic typing -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:14:24 -0500 -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz +Cc: Ondrej Certik Tim Daly writes: @@ -20585,19 +18516,13 @@ Tim Daly writes: Yes, the fundamental issue is that of scale. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: life and death - <85b5c3130703301241t44f80394t13e89ea413ef62c0@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:17:36 -0500 -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: life and death -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: [...] @@ -20609,16 +18534,11 @@ Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz Axiom can and should be made interoperating with languages like C++ or Lisp, which is a good starting gate to other galaxies. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly, Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: SymPy code -To: Tim Daly, ondrej@certik.cz -Cc: list Is this it? @@ -20630,44 +18550,14 @@ http://code.google.com/p/sympy/ > It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad > and see a head-to-head comparison. And, as a major side-effect, > increase the range of Axiom -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:24:13 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > I'm sorry to say but in my experience, I don't see Python, Ruby, C# | > being higher level than C++. The thing that distinguishes Aldor @@ -20692,16 +18582,11 @@ easly interfacing with Python -- check out Boost.Python from Boost. Let's our ignorance not interfer with reality. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: SymPy code -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:01:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: SymPy code > Is your python algebra code available? > It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad @@ -20720,27 +18605,11 @@ However it looks that SymPy code ignores many real-life issues: Especially determining sign in presence of parameters is troublesome (undecidable). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:26:30 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> - <873b3mzdhu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > I don't know which C++ you're talking about, but the one that I use on > daily basis and work on has lists (std::list), dictionaries (std::map, @@ -20765,17 +18634,11 @@ Of course you can program in OO way in C as well, because programming is just one, no matter which language you use, but Python is much higher level than C++, I think noone really doubts about it. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:31:24 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: SymPy code - -Cc: list Yes, SymPy is here: @@ -20807,22 +18670,12 @@ On 3/30/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > Especially determining sign in presence of parameters is troublesome > (undecidable). -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:46:26 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: life and death - <85b5c3130703301241t44f80394t13e89ea413ef62c0@mail.gmail.com> - <87abxuzdsv.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz Is it possible to use Axiom from C++? Then it could also be used from Python. But I fear that the only easy way of doing it is through @@ -20831,7 +18684,7 @@ Python. But I fear that the only easy way of doing it is through Ondrej On 30 Mar 2007 15:17:36 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Ondrej Certik" writes: +> Ondrej Certik writes: > > [...] > @@ -20842,17 +18695,11 @@ On 30 Mar 2007 15:17:36 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Axiom can and should be made interoperating with languages like C++ or > Lisp, which is a good starting gate to other galaxies. -> -> -- Gaby -> - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:52:02 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SymPy code I would like to see a head-to-head comparison. If you need some help @@ -20865,30 +18712,14 @@ On 3/30/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad > and see a head-to-head comparison. And, as a major side-effect, > increase the range of Axiom -> -> Tim -> - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> - <873b3mzdhu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301526x42c172dah238b3362e824fe03@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 20:47:29 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > I don't know which C++ you're talking about, but the one that I use on | > daily basis and work on has lists (std::list), dictionaries (std::map, @@ -20923,16 +18754,10 @@ Now, you're elevating the properties of a particular library to that of a language and language library. I'll refrain from qualifying that process and leave it at that. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:22:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: SymPy on Axiom Wiki Axiom Developers; @@ -20964,33 +18789,25 @@ enter text of the new page. If you use 'SandBox' as the prefix of the name, your changes and experiments will not be sent out as email to the wiki subscribers. Be Bold. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> - <87mz1uu82i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Mar 2007 02:01:14 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: -|=20 +| Gregory Vanuxem writes: +| | [...] -|=20 +| | | > This is just a head up. If you know anything about the illegal | | > character \#Stx, please let me know. -| |=20 +| | | | No idea. -|=20 +| | I believe I nailed down where the error is coming from. -|=20 +| | Have a loot at line 368 in src/interp/def.lisp.pamphlet. There are two | uses of character Conotrol-B there (at least that is what Emacs shows | me). I'm curious about what could have been intended. Tim? @@ -21054,37 +18871,21 @@ AME)))) \start -To: Waldek Hebisch, Ondrej Certik -Subject: Re: SymPy code -From: Martin Rubey Date: 31 Mar 2007 09:03:05 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: SymPy code Since my department (Faculty for Mathematics, University Vienna) meanwhile expressed interest in using Axiom, I'd be ready to support anybody who'd be willing to implement Gruntz algorithm. Please tell me what is necessary to get you interested! (Money? Fame?) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:20:55 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> - <873b3mzdhu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301526x42c172dah238b3362e824fe03@mail.gmail.com> - <878xdetc9a.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | Compare for example GiNaC and SymPy's > | implementation of the same algorithms - SymPy is like 1/2 (or even @@ -21097,15 +18898,10 @@ Cc: list I just want to make sure I understand your point of view - so you think that C++ and Python are at the same level? -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:51:54 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: "list" +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki I created another example in the Sandbox to show how to compute a @@ -21150,22 +18946,13 @@ On 3/31/07, Bill Page wrote: > enter text of the new page. If you use 'SandBox' as the prefix of > the name, your changes and experiments will not be sent out as > email to the wiki subscribers. Be Bold. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Mar 2007 14:03:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] depsys and systemError - -Hi, - depsys uses systemError, but no definition is provided in the set of files we currently compile to it. Curious. The actual definitions are to be found in g-error.boot. This patch adds that @@ -21417,14 +19204,10 @@ Applied to build-improvements. -- error, BOOT calls "userError" and "systemError" when a problem is - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:25:15 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdzk1zwYBaBnB+cTBi49BxBMl9tcQATet8g -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: RE: SymPy on Axiom Wiki On March 31, 2007 8:52 AM Ondrej Certik @@ -21485,24 +19268,13 @@ SymPy list or is the axiom-developer list sufficient? Regards, Bill Page. -> -> On 3/31/07, Bill Page wrote: -> > ... -> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxSymPy -> > - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Mar 2007 18:10:04 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] diff --git a/book/2007-04.txt b/book/2007-04.txt index 41b755a..ebd43eb 100644 --- a/book/2007-04.txt +++ b/book/2007-04.txt @@ -1,14 +1,12 @@ \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 08:38:38 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki - <87lkhdqab7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2007 08:38:38 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -21,24 +19,15 @@ These two domains serve two entirely different purposes, and I would warn you not to abuse INFORM, since the idea behind it is very clever indeed, and I definitively will use it in the future. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 03:03:38 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdz6crHWVW8HvfgSxG7nPZEaHcZ0wAJJvEg -Cc: list -Subject: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom - (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) On March 31, 2007 7:10 PM Gaby wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > [...] @@ -112,28 +101,17 @@ exactly the symbolic expression that is the *input* to the interpreter. Manipulating members of this domain amounts to directly manipulating the expressions. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 03:05:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0KGVGTkgeSQt/TWG66VRdK9/BugAA31qw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki On April 1, 2007 2:39 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > -> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > > > [...] > > @@ -151,23 +129,11 @@ On April 1, 2007 2:39 AM Martin Rubey wrote: What do you mean by "abuse" it? Certainly we use it all the time in Axiom! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:45:02 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Subject: Re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom - (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) - +Subject: Re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) >> Why should InputForm be preferable over Expression T? >> @@ -228,22 +194,11 @@ should not believe the interface. > exactly the symbolic expression that is the *input* to the > interpreter. Manipulating members of this domain amounts to > directly manipulating the expressions. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page -> -> -> - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 01 Apr 2007 18:57:44 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: evaluate a polynom for a matrix. Hello, @@ -307,25 +262,19 @@ P4 := polCarN 4 -- Now evaluate P4(M4). We might find the (0)_4 matrix. -- - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:22:07 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: conferences I plan to attend ECCAD in Delaware and ISSAC in Canada. --Tim - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 12:57:53 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferences -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Apr 2007 12:57:53 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -334,16 +283,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: I'll miss ECCAD as I'll be "on the road" in Europe -- ISO C++ committee meeting. See you at ISSAC. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:39:19 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: evaluate a polynom for a matrix. -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:39:19 +0200 -Cc: list, axiom-math Please direct questions of this kind to axiom-math@nongnu.org. @@ -387,17 +331,10 @@ P := determinant (M - x * I) (P::UP(x, SM))(M) - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:47:15 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0Qmx6GgVh/pq3QK+UM5bZdO1jdAAMofmA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 5:45 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -543,25 +480,16 @@ looking for is called 'expr' in the domain InputForm. x y x y Type: Equation OutputForm -So once again as Tim Daly has said main times, the problem is -just that :( as usual ): there is not enough documentation. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - +So once again as Tim Daly has said main times, the problem is just +that :( as usual ): there is not enough documentation. \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Apr 2007 14:31:22 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 1, 2007 5:45 AM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -609,15 +537,10 @@ Also, be aware than the Axiom designers, in many places, thought of Expression as the general domain for symbolic manipulation and have appropriate hardwired type inference rules in the interpreter. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:34:38 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: regression testing Bill, @@ -640,18 +563,10 @@ their text but they do show some interesting tricks I'd forgotten Axiom can do. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:38:45 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: unit testing Bill, @@ -670,19 +585,12 @@ It would be useful when constructing new domains if examples of operations were embedded in the pamphlet files in a standard style so we could achieve these goals. -Tim - - - - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 21:42:16 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2007 21:42:16 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -714,16 +622,10 @@ ones. Since we have "dependent types", this can be done in an extremely flexible manner, as the example "Interpret" shows, which takes a string and yields a domain. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:00:19 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) Bill, @@ -781,22 +683,11 @@ I'm not optimistic about that happening. Anyway, that's enough hasty-generalization...back to regression testing. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:02:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0lGV8qrcXhdHASaOKftF/e/qwTgAA3oPg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 3:31 PM Gaby wrote: > ... @@ -841,23 +732,11 @@ Of course that is no problem. If you are able to read and understand Stephen Watt's paper on this subject, I am sure that this would be clear to you. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Apr 2007 15:19:53 -0500 -Cc: list - -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom [...] @@ -890,16 +769,11 @@ And it is possible to agree with him and not reading his paper. But again, what he said in his paper has nothing to do with the distinction between Expression T and InputForm I'm concerned with. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:37:56 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) -Cc: list Tim Daly wrote: @@ -928,20 +802,11 @@ is still available. Is that subject classification not quite what is needed for this effort? If not, perhaps something could be begun based on category theory? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:43:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0myv7g0CzxIF0Q0CNm3Vcvb4TewAEYnBg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 4:20 PM Gaby wrote: > ... @@ -1012,22 +877,13 @@ the representation of objects and how that differs from more syntactical things like term re-writing? Or do continue to insist that we not talk about representation? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Apr 2007 18:02:19 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 1, 2007 4:20 PM Gaby wrote: | > ... @@ -1145,15 +1001,10 @@ must resort to internal representations, then the distinction is artificial, not fundamental; therefore, we can ignore it as being merely non-fundamental artefacts. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:34:57 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: regression testing I'm working my way back from the latest version thru the various @@ -1818,17 +1669,11 @@ qtest(sa, sb, 4) -- -- - - - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:07:25 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: regression testing -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:07:25 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -2447,30 +2292,22 @@ qtest(sa, sb, 3) y - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:29:15 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: more info It appears that the difference might be in the underlying lisp version. I'm testing that hypothesis now. Thanks for your test input. -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: CAS for the masses Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:47:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0ldvN7WAZFsnMTWeBX0FqjLpagAAOuS/Q -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 1, 2007 3:42 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -2493,20 +2330,10 @@ Martin, could you please find a few minutes to create a page on the Axiom Wiki containing an example of your Interpret code? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:06:32 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0lMVzWydj5BXkQAS840VleTsc1QAPcEFQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: regression testing On April 1, 2007 3:35 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2555,22 +2382,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxSymPy > tricks I'd forgotten Axiom can do. > -I agree. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:13:01 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0lVis/pzn5HBdTNe883gmsBlbewAPqbmQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: unit testing On April 1, 2007 3:39 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2611,18 +2426,10 @@ style for writing these code chunks in pamphlet files. I nominate you. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:15:54 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: differences Ok, the problem isn't in axiom and it appears that it isn't in GCL. @@ -2639,17 +2446,10 @@ to conclude that there is a very minor bug in the Fedora lib. Anybody happen to know in which system library cos/acos lives? -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:30:16 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0mFtc6vJ2fb3QR1iQLa9YAzXLZgAPJptA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) On April 1, 2007 4:00 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2743,23 +2543,11 @@ quite a large group of users. Me niether, but it doesn't hurt to talk about it where and when people might listen. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:38:23 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: differences -Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:38:23 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd01TWhmHIafeIaSCOihaK6czzCQQAAmPzw -Cc: list On April 1, 2007 11:16 PM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -2790,20 +2578,11 @@ it would be better to write specific comparison test code in Axiom itself that would compare the result to the expected values using methods appropriate to the domain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 22:43:06 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: differences -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Apr 2007 22:43:06 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -2831,19 +2610,11 @@ mercy of systems if you insist on using 'long-float -- it is not always efficient and you can't predice the accuracy across platforms. Use 'double-float. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:37:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0sd0NV8GFLuHIQmCE+ChXlkN9nQAJqpjw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 7:02 PM Gaby wrote: @@ -3091,18 +2862,10 @@ internal representation - only that this representation defines a mapping that in turn defines the algebraic properties of the domain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:21:04 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: ffrac.spad Bill, @@ -3252,16 +3015,11 @@ FormalFraction(X : SetCategory) : SetCategory with coerce(r : %) : X == (r.num / r.den) @ X - - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 00:37:09 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: ffrac.spad -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 00:37:09 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -3282,18 +3040,13 @@ polynomials with the usual operators (e.g. simplify, normalize, etc.). I'm very curious how to see how a full development will differ from Expression T. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: unit testing -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Apr 2007 09:20:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: unit testing -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Yes! We should have a standardized way to 'notangle' and > execute the tests in every pamphlet file. I think this @@ -3304,18 +3057,11 @@ Cc: list Hey! did you ever care to look at ALLPROSE & AldorUnit? PLEASE do! Please do not invent the wheel yet another time! -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: regression testing -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <87fy7jmvn6.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:40:26 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: regression testing Hello Tim, Gaby, @@ -3335,20 +3081,11 @@ view. See the following mail for a fix : http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00119.html -Sorry, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: differences -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:39:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: differences > Ok, the problem isn't in axiom and it appears that it isn't in GCL. > I built the same GCL sources (no axiom) on redhat 9 and fedora 5. @@ -3374,18 +3111,11 @@ http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=323 My presonal attitude is: do not trust in least significant digit (it may differ due to different rounding). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: SymPy code -To: Ondrej Certik Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:49:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: SymPy code > Yes, SymPy is here: > @@ -3402,18 +3132,11 @@ Cc: list Expressions containing algebraic functions, in particular roots. AFAICS SymPy does not support RootOf operation. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 08:51:39 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: differences -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 08:51:39 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3444,20 +3167,14 @@ that don't use 80 bits for long double. Please, please, use something that is not common across all major plaftorms: C's double which is mapped to 64 bits, with clear semantics described by IEEE-754. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:09:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -3476,18 +3193,10 @@ characteristic). Also ATM Expression Integer does not do zero test before division but IMHO this is a bug. OTOH general symbolic domain may lack normal forms. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:21:21 -0500 -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Subject: differences As far as I know so far Axiom just uses the underlying lisp values @@ -3503,33 +3212,23 @@ clearly "optimized" the world by saving an instruction somewhere. The problem arose trying to explain a failing case in the regression tests. Now that I understand it better it's not an issue. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:23:55 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: SymPy code - -Cc: list > Expressions containing algebraic functions, in particular roots. > AFAICS SymPy does not support RootOf operation. I see. No, RootOf is not yet supported. -Ondrej - - - \start -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:31:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3557,24 +3256,17 @@ domain developers have to modify them. Ability to modify functions NI am _not_ advocating using dynamic capabilities of Axiom. Rather I wanted to point out that such capabilities are implemented and I give my opinion why. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Apr 2007 10:14:55 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom Waldek Hebisch writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | > | > [...] | > @@ -3615,22 +3307,15 @@ Yes. Yes, that is precisely why CASes implement "generalized" polynomials as symbolic expression domains and augment it with ad-hoc rules. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: re: unit testing Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:22:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd091qnBTC3EMYsQy6ITI5xuJ9eSAAQo2qw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: unit testing On April 2, 2007 3:20 AM Martin Rubey > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Yes! We should have a standardized way to 'notangle' and > > execute the tests in every pamphlet file. I think this @@ -3656,20 +3341,10 @@ For anyone else it is likely to be easier simply to re- invent it. Unfortunately that is the real extent to which we seem to be able to re-use software in most cases. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:40:15 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: differences Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -3693,23 +3368,13 @@ platforms, otherwise we could just remove it. > > The problem arose trying to explain a failing case in the > regression tests. Now that I understand it better it's not an issue. -> -> Tim -> - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Apr 2007 13:35:20 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: [new boot] structural decomposition - Tim -- Consider the following line (extracted from src/interp/wi2.boot) @@ -3796,13 +3461,10 @@ bfLET2(lhs,rhs) == -- REALLYPRETTYPRINT ['COND,[isPred,rhs]] -- ['COND,[isPred,rhs]] - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:52:35 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: structural decomposition The whole boot/shoe parser was a complete black box delivered whole @@ -3831,20 +3493,10 @@ You'll often see this kind of code (from SF.NRLIB/code.lsp) (defun |DFLOAT;manexp (|x| $) (prog .....[snip].... (return (seq (exit (cond ((zerop |x| ...[snip].... - - -t - - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:03:09 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: structural decomposition Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -3911,23 +3563,11 @@ I've changed bfLET2 to handle allow literals in the patterns, currently algebra layer 13 is being built. I'll report when the build finishes. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:09:03 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: structural decomposition - <20070402140309.01q7tnl3k800w00o@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:09:03 -0500 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -4548,17 +4188,11 @@ It went OK. --$MERGELIB := nil ------- from nrunopt.boot ----------- - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: structural decomposition Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:24:28 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd1jL2Wq5CGe/stT6O3+buCD4CclAAAMi+w -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: structural decomposition On April 2, 2007 9:09 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -4578,23 +4212,11 @@ build machinery in general. I think these improvements are very important to the long term stability and maintainablity of the system. -Thank you! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:32:07 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: structural decomposition - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Bill Page: @@ -4623,22 +4245,11 @@ together. So what I've been doing lazily is to put all my notes in a sort of doodle pad file; I hope to clean it a bit and make it available so that others can help improve it. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: structural decomposition -To: Bill Page, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -4660,26 +4271,11 @@ Gaby, does this result mean that the Algebra code up through layer 13 can be successfully built by shoe/new boot without needing the old boot at all? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:15:39 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: structural decomposition - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -4699,31 +4295,12 @@ the work that has depsys buildable with CLISP (and SBCL). Then, we may consider what we do with algebra files -- but then, it will be summer and everybody will be on vacation :-) -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> -> ____________________________________________________________________________________ -> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 -> - - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:26:43 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest - - It is generally admited that in Boot (whether old or new) an identifier written in all uppercase is passed unmodified in the generated Lisp code (except for T). Right? @@ -4744,15 +4321,11 @@ something else. Here is a short list I have: REDUCE --> SPADREDUCE REMOVE --> |remove --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:32:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:32:37 -0500 Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -4780,16 +4353,10 @@ I forgot: UNION --> |union| --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:59:58 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, aldor-l , - axiom-dev From: Christian Aistleitner -Cc: +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] kTuple wish Hello, @@ -4798,31 +4365,25 @@ On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:03:25 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wro= te: > So I would rather need something like -> "Cross", but I cannot even ask about the number of arguments of Cross.= - - -one can easily teach Aldor about the size of a Cross with the help of = +> "Cross", but I cannot even ask about the number of arguments of Cross. +one can easily teach Aldor about the size of a Cross with the help of extend. Then you can ask a Cross about the number of elements. -I already discussed the details with Ralf via private mail, so I am just= - = - -stating it here for the record. If anybody else is interested in this, I= - = - +I already discussed the details with Ralf via private mail, so I am just +stating it here for the record. If anybody else is interested in this, I will share some code. > ---BEGIN aaa.as > #include "aldor" -> I =3D=3D> MachineInteger; -> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType =3D=3D I; -> main(): () =3D=3D { -> A =3D=3D> S Integer; -> B =3D=3D> S String; -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... -> b: B :=3D (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; +> I ==> MachineInteger; +> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType == I; +> main(): () == { +> A ==> S Integer; +> B ==> S String; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... +> b: B := (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; > } > main(); > ---END aaa.as @@ -4831,171 +4392,109 @@ will share some code. I am not too sure whether it should compile. -First of all, I think notation is misleading here. The "=3D=3D" in - -> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType =3D=3D I; +First of all, I think notation is misleading here. The "==" in -does not necessary mean that the function S maps to the same I every tim= -e. = +> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType == I; +does not necessary mean that the function S maps to the same I every time. This is somehow the synopsis, now for the details. - From my point of view, the above definition of S is a shorthand notatio= -n = - + From my point of view, the above definition of S is a shorthand notation for - S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType =3D=3D ( T: PrimitiveType ): Primit= -iveType = - + S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType == ( T: PrimitiveType ): PrimitiveType +-> I; -. (I quickly wanted to check the AUG on this concern, only to find out = +. (I quickly wanted to check the AUG on this concern, only to find out +that I cannot find my rewrite suggestion, but only Ralf's way (page 61) of +writing it. Nevertheless, I thoroughly believe, that my kind of writing it +is the way the compiler looks at it, and Ralf's way is just a short-hand +notation.) +Using this rewritten definition, it is more obvious, what the "==" refers +to. It definitely denotes that the function is constant, not the result. +But you did not claim otherwise. -that I cannot find my rewrite suggestion, but only Ralf's way (page 61) = -of = +Within the AUG, you'll find that typically only the left-hand side of the +== is seen at certain stages of compilation. So lets omit the righthand +part of S's definition: -writing it. Nevertheless, I thoroughly believe, that my kind of writing = -it = + S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType == -is the way the compiler looks at it, and Ralf's way is just a short-hand= - = +Now it is indeed hard to see that -notation.) -Using this rewritten definition, it is more obvious, what the "=3D=3D" r= -efers = +> A ==> S Integer; +> B ==> S String; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... +> b: B := (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; -to. It definitely denotes that the function is constant, not the result.= - = - -But you did not claim otherwise. - -Within the AUG, you'll find that typically only the left-hand side of th= -e = - -=3D=3D is seen at certain stages of compilation. So lets omit the righth= -and = - -part of S's definition: - - S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType =3D=3D - -Now it is indeed hard to see that - -> A =3D=3D> S Integer; -> B =3D=3D> S String; -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... -> b: B :=3D (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; - -should compile, there is no obvious reason (S Integer) and (S String) = - -should evaluate to the same PrimitiveType. - -Having seen this from this more abstract point of view, let's investigat= -e = +should compile, there is no obvious reason (S Integer) and (S String) +should evaluate to the same PrimitiveType. +Having seen this from this more abstract point of view, let's investigate the right-hand side of S's definition ( T: PrimitiveType ): PrimitiveType +-> I; -. Why should this functional evaluate to the same PrimitiveType again an= -d = - -again (And this condition would have to be satisfied before allowing the= - = - +. Why should this functional evaluate to the same PrimitiveType again and +again (And this condition would have to be satisfied before allowing the compiler to somehow compile above code)? - From a previous discussion, we learned that in Aldor functions typicall= -y = - -are not functional. The exception are expressions in type context. "S = - -Integer" and "S String" are in type context in the above piece of code. = - = - -Nevertheless, type context does not resolve the problem, because it = - + From a previous discussion, we learned that in Aldor functions typically +are not functional. The exception are expressions in type context. "S +Integer" and "S String" are in type context in the above piece of code. +Nevertheless, type context does not resolve the problem, because it basically tells us that the types of c: S Integer and d: S Integer -match, not that the type of a and b match. Type context allows to compil= -e = - +match, not that the type of a and b match. Type context allows to compile the line -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; as otherwise, S would be evaluated twice at Integer. -As the exception of non-functionality does not help or apply to the = - -problem. S has to be evaluated twice--once for Integer and once for = - -String. For each of the evaluations (which happen at run-time from my = - -point of view), the function S happens to return the same value. This = - -observation can only be made at run time and not at compile time, as the= - = - +As the exception of non-functionality does not help or apply to the +problem. S has to be evaluated twice--once for Integer and once for +String. For each of the evaluations (which happen at run-time from my +point of view), the function S happens to return the same value. This +observation can only be made at run time and not at compile time, as the "I" may be arbitrary code. -Your code is the rather (seldom case) where the value (I) is hidden just= - = - -to get more structure (S). One could argue that Aldor should treat this = - = - +Your code is the rather (seldom case) where the value (I) is hidden just +to get more structure (S). One could argue that Aldor should treat this case properly. However, only slight variations of your code (e.g.: - S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType =3D=3D Fraction I; + S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType == Fraction I; ) have a different semantics. For such an S (with the above macros), -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; should work (type context of S String), but -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; -> b: B :=3D (1$I) pretend B; -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; - -_has_ to fail. As Fraction Integer is not in type context, it _should_ = +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; +> b: B := (1$I) pretend B; +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; +_has_ to fail. As Fraction Integer is not in type context, it _should_ give _different_ instances of fractions over the domain MachineInteger. -This was just to show that your code is really rather the special case. = - = - +This was just to show that your code is really rather the special case. Nevertheless, I see that you want and need the compiler to compile -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; in your setting. The first line of your message was > The following text describes a weakness of the Aldor language. -so we both agree that this it not a bug in the compiler (sigh), but rath= -er = - +so we both agree that this it not a bug in the compiler (sigh), but rather you need something Aldor has not been designed to do. - - -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:19:11 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - Martin Rubey +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Martin Rubey Subject: re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner - <9qtzw4bhbf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <460B7B6F.9030002@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Hello, @@ -5032,25 +4531,16 @@ read, so I get the where your testing machinery is heading to? Afterwards it would certainly be good to discuss AldorUnit tests in Axiom and Axiom tests in Aldor. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:18:01 -0500 -To: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: aldorunit, junit, axiom testing Axiom test plans are evolving based on need but with an eye to longer term plans to leverage the effort. I'll try to cover some of my thoughts on the subject here. - - - In the gold and prior releases the testing was based on the input files and detailed review of the console logs, as well as comparisons of intermediate files after each change. This @@ -5375,14 +4865,11 @@ results with the CATS results are all things to think about. Tim "There is no such thing as a simple job" - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:58:46 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferences -Cc: list Tim Daly wrote: > I plan to attend ECCAD in Delaware and ISSAC in Canada. --Tim @@ -5393,16 +4880,11 @@ http://eccad07.washcoll.edu/ Or do I have the wrong conference? -CY - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:34:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest Cc: list > @@ -5435,12 +4917,6 @@ efficiency). Also, I consider using all-lowercase Lisp (making a package "common-lisp" beeing a lowercase version of "COMMON-LISP", and setting *readtable-case* to preserve). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:02:52 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp @@ -5461,27 +4937,15 @@ The latter sounds like what Maxima went through with the Great Source Downcasing a while back. The emails on the Maxima list pertaining to that might worth looking at. -Cheers, -CY - - - - \start -Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:14:50 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -Thread-Index: Acd1oMompVRxP+TXTg2Rjbc8SHy43wBKgBiw - <87bqi6gmju.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - - FILETIME=[FDCA22F0:01C776CB] -Cc: - -The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=20 +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, +Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest + +The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that they were introduced to circumvent different semantics of -GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=20 +GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear about the others. Regards @@ -5491,25 +4955,25 @@ Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 +> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=uni-mainz.de@nongnu.org > On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:33 AM > To: list > Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest ->=20 +> > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: ->=20 +> > | It is generally admited that in Boot (whether old or new) an > | identifier written in all uppercase is passed unmodified in the > | generated Lisp code (except for T). Right? -> |=20 +> | > | Well, Old Boot says "Wrong!". Some of the all-uppercase identifiers > | are renamed into case-sensitive uppercase, or renamed to some > | something else. Here is a short list I have: -> |=20 +> | > | ASSOC --> |assoc| > | DELETE --> |delete| > | GET --> GETL @@ -5521,102 +4985,55 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > | READ-LINE --> |read-line| > | REDUCE --> SPADREDUCE > | REMOVE --> |remove ->=20 +> > I forgot: ->=20 +> > UNION --> |union| ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:58:21 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest - <87bqi6gmju.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91481@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Quoting "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss: +Quoting Juergen Weiss: -> The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=20 +> The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that > they were introduced to circumvent different semantics of -> GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=20 +> GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear > about the others. Many thanks. I'll document that when I'm back to the renaming issue. --- Gaby - - - - - \start -Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:41:08 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -Thread-Index: Acd24tZ7+7qu9FXNReC30Ng9D6aXCgADTTwg - <20070404125821.8fupwhjhc08wwo0o@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Juergen Weiss To: Gabriel Dos Reis - FILETIME=[31786C40:01C776F1] -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -I have just had a look at the sources.=20 +I have just had a look at the sources. -The redefinitions of=20 -ASSOC, DELETE, INTERSECTION, MEMBER, RASSOC, REMOVE, UNION=20 +The redefinitions of +ASSOC, DELETE, INTERSECTION, MEMBER, RASSOC, REMOVE, UNION seem to have the same source (all defined in vmlisp.lisp). COMMON LISP has different semantics than VMLISP -(in this case with regard to equality in those functions).=20 - -Juergen - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 +(in this case with regard to equality in those functions). > -----Original Message----- -> From: Gabriel Dos Reis [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis]=20 -> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:58 PM -> To: Weiss, Juergen -> Cc: list -> Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest ->=20 -> Quoting "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss: ->=20 -> > The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=3D20 +> +> Quoting Juergen Weiss: +> +> > The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=20 > > they were introduced to circumvent different semantics of -> > GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=3D20 +> > GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=20 > > about the others. ->=20 +> > Many thanks. I'll document that when I'm back to the renaming issue. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:24:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd2/5DaLEHr34cJRUaBP8bPcdpS1Q== +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Set Any and SXHASH In http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/347BugInMapSet @@ -5694,19 +5111,11 @@ the domain Any that makes use of the Lisp EQUAL comparison instead of EQ. I think that in general EQ is too restrictive. Do you think this change is reasonable and correct? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:37:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH > In http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/347BugInMapSet > @@ -5755,20 +5164,11 @@ which have OrderedSet are eqipped with linear order. Hashing allows reasonably efficient implementation of set operations. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:40:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3h4NFLQ4XT08CQ+yEqFNi0ctmlwADK8cg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 5, 2007 9:37 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -5812,19 +5212,11 @@ domains that already use hashing such as EqTable so it might be as easy as just choosing a different representation of the Set domain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:04:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH Bill Page wrote: > @@ -5862,20 +5254,11 @@ That is why I am saying about design bug. I am affraid that a complete re-design is the only real fix for design bugs. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:12:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3pHl+eT4+qsrqTD6Et2/nLBkvVAAAMTMg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 5, 2007 1:04 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -5914,19 +5297,11 @@ Why? > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:25:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH Bill Page wrote: > On April 5, 2007 1:04 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -5961,20 +5336,11 @@ Bill Page wrote: AFAICS LEXGREATERP compares representations, completly ignoring equality from domain. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:17:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3p2dR9wdR0BsERlaAWBBCWRNTIgABu+aw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 5, 2007 1:25 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -6000,19 +5366,11 @@ domain equality? What problems would occur if elements of all finite sets were ordered according to this ordering? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:03:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH > On April 5, 2007 1:25 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > ... @@ -6047,16 +5405,10 @@ fractions. We may miss duplicates and declare equal sets as unequal. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:29:45 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: boot : valid type checker Hello, @@ -6086,16 +5438,11 @@ Greg [1] This is doable, I think, via something like 'IGNORE_-ERRORS eval mytype', but I would prefer a cleaner way. - - - - \start +Date: 06 Apr 2007 20:33:05 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 06 Apr 2007 20:33:05 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Bill, Waldek, * @@ -6122,28 +5469,20 @@ domain, make it an OrderedSet. However, I do not believe that making ANY an OrderedSet is wise. If your elements happen to be of type ANY and you need fast Set operations for them, I'd suggest that you look for a better domain. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:18:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd4Q5yr8U1pHmdGQKW8U7S0/yB1qQAIV/eA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 6, 2007 8:04 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote [about using LEXGREATERP as an ordering]: -> >=20 +> > > > Yes. Why do you say that this would not be consistent with > > domain equality? > > ->=20 +> > Domain elements may be mathematically equal but have different > representations. AFAICS this happens for example for general > fractions. @@ -6164,22 +5503,22 @@ Martin refers to the description of "canonical" in HyperDoc: means that two objects are mathematically equal if and only if their data structures are equal." -I guess one should interpret "distinct" as a synonym for x ~=3D y. +I guess one should interpret "distinct" as a synonym for x ~= y. So this means that for some domain D with representation Rep - x,y:D; x =3D y implies rep(x) =3D rep(y) and - rep(x) =3D rep(y) implies x =3D y + x,y:D; x = y implies rep(x) = rep(y) and + rep(x) = rep(y) implies x = y -where by '=3D' I am specifically referring to the functions -exported by D and Rep, respectively.=20 +where by '=' I am specifically referring to the functions +exported by D and Rep, respectively. -> =20 +> > > What problems would occur if elements of all finite sets > > were ordered according to this ordering? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > We may miss duplicates and declare equal sets as unequal. ->=20 +> Yes, I see that you are right if the domain is not canonical. HyperDoc only shows 5 domains with canonical, FourierSeries, @@ -6200,7 +5539,7 @@ the corresponding members of the domain are not equal. But this is somehow not "natural". So a "natural" representation would be one for which - x,y:D; rep(x) =3D rep(y) implies x =3D y + x,y:D; rep(x) = rep(y) implies x = y I was thinking about something like this when I wrote: @@ -6210,21 +5549,11 @@ I am still looking for any computer sciense publication that addresses this issue of representation in a formal mathematical way. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gregory Vanuxem'" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:07:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd4aL3S33nPHnfgRuSwGcULDApBOwAB7nrg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker On April 6, 2007 12:30 PM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > @@ -6331,29 +5660,21 @@ Matrix(Fraction Integer) Maybe you could give another example? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:53:03 +0200 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker -Le samedi 07 avril 2007 =E0 02:07 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 07 avril 2007 =E0 02:07 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit : > On April 6, 2007 12:30 PM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > At the boot level I want to know if a given type is valid. > > By type I mean a category or a domain (parametrised if > > they must be). So for example I want to know that > > 'Matrix(Character)' and 'Fields' are invalid but not > > Matrix(Ring) and Matrix(Integer) ->=20 +> > You implied that Matrix(Ring) is valid, but it is not. Perhaps > this was a typo? @@ -6371,37 +5692,37 @@ are also 'new' and 'old' functions). (8) DirectProduct(3,IntegerNumberSystem) Type: Domain (9) -> [1,2,3]::% -=20 + >> System error: NIL is not of type CONS. The interpeter considers DirectProduct(3,IntegerNumberSystem) as a valid -domain (type ?) :-(=20 +domain (type ?) :-( > The definition of Matrix is ->=20 +> > Matrix(R:Ring) ->=20 +> > I wonder if you mean something like: since both ->=20 +> > Integer has Ring > Field has Ring ->=20 +> > are true, why not both ->=20 +> > Matrix(Integer) > Matrix(Field) ->=20 +> > Field of course, is a category while Integer is a domain. > > There are several functions in the interpreter for that but > > they are 'interactive' functions (in the sense that they will > > throw an error if the type is not valid) or they do not accept > > all possible categories. There is, for example, the function -> > 'isValidType' but it seems to only accept domains and simple=20 +> > 'isValidType' but it seems to only accept domains and simple > > categories. ->=20 +> > Can you give an example of a valid category for which isValidType > does not return T? @@ -6411,39 +5732,39 @@ Think of a category, here, as the set of matrices over a ring > isValidType seems to work for me (of course this is just the > interpreter but the equivalent must work in Boot): ->=20 -> (1) -> mytype1:=3D["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, ["Integer"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX= +> +> (1) -> mytype1:=["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, ["Integer"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX= ]::SEX ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > (1) (Matrix (Integer)) ->=20 +> > Type: SExpression -> (2) -> mytype2:=3D["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, -> ["Character"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX]::SEX =20 ->=20 +> (2) -> mytype2:=["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, +> ["Character"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX]::SEX +> > (2) (Matrix (Character)) > Type: SExpression ->=20 -> (3) -> mytype3:=3D["FiniteSetAggregate"::Symbol::SEX, +> +> (3) -> mytype3:=["FiniteSetAggregate"::Symbol::SEX, > ["Integer"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX]::SEX ->=20 +> > (3) (FiniteSetAggregate (Integer)) > Type: SExpression ->=20 +> > (4) -> isValidType(mytype1)$Lisp ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > (4) T > Type: SExpression ->=20 +> > (5) -> isValidType(mytype2)$Lisp ->=20 +> > (5) () > Type: SExpression ->=20 +> > (6) -> isValidType(mytype3)$Lisp ->=20 +> > (6) T > Type: SExpression @@ -6453,7 +5774,7 @@ I must put out some simple mistakes. > > The nirvana would be a function that accepts things like > > Matrix(Join(Foo,Bar)) [1]. ->=20 +> > I do not understand what you mean by this. I want to know if I can extract information from what I call a @@ -6462,29 +5783,22 @@ valid type, i.e: )bo Matrix(Join(Field(),ConvertibleTo(InputForm()))) (|Matrix| (|Join| (|Field|) (|ConvertibleTo| (|InputForm|)))) -Value =3D #<(SIMPLE-VECTOR 72) {10053B01FF}> +Value = #<(SIMPLE-VECTOR 72) {10053B01FF}> I'm interested by this vector :-). [...] -> >=20 +> > > > Am I thinking wrong ? I was... -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:15:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Bill, Waldek, * @@ -6512,18 +5826,11 @@ I have now updated documentation and applied (to wh-sandbox) the fix. When I wrote about design bug I meant idea of sorting something which is not an OrderedSet. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:11:09 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:11:09 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6544,18 +5851,10 @@ Great. Great! I'm very happy we agree! -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:26:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5MXDEo4NVaoVjQFCU6HTWd8XUxA== -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Gaby, @@ -6656,20 +5955,10 @@ Apparently ./configure did not locate the required sockets headers. Do you have any idea what might be wrong? Or how I should attemt to debug this? -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:17:38 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: Re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Quoting Bill Page: @@ -6704,20 +5993,11 @@ The reason being that openSolaris 64bit seems to be largely unsupported by GNU tool chains, and openSolaris seems to ignore many of GNU software. :-( --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +Subject: re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -6734,34 +6014,13 @@ works: http://www.gnusolaris.org/ I don't know that 64bit support will be any better, but the GNU toolchain support in Nexenta may be in better shape. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Axiom-Developer'" Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:06:00 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5WiurNgMgBZXESXOXHlVP6WKTYAABJnpQAACELZA= +From: Bill Page +To: "'Axiom-Developer'" Subject: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -[attached file omitted] - -----Original Message----- -From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] -Sent: April 7, 2007 6:05 PM -To: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' -Subject: RE: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - Gaby, @@ -6811,19 +6070,11 @@ me back to Solaris after nearly giving it up for Linux. Perhaps it is only nostalgia, but for enterprise applications I am still inclined to prefer Solaris over any of the Linux distributions. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:06:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:06:36 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -6847,16 +6098,11 @@ I'll return to that later (probably end of the month or may). I spend the morning having "fun" chasing bugs in Axiom with runtime checking enabled. Pretty scary. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:09:29 -0500 -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [491] - branches/build-improvements +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [491] branches/build-improvements dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net writes: @@ -6876,18 +6122,12 @@ That has the side effect of dramatically increasing the overall compilation time. In return, you get to know about bugs you did not suspect or did not want to know about. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Axiom-Developer'" -Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:29:28 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5WiurNgMgBZXESXOXHlVP6WKTYAABJnpQAACELZAAAKRxQA== -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Gaby, @@ -6962,18 +6202,12 @@ On April 7, 2007 12:26 PM Bill Page wrote: > gmake: *** [all-src] Error 2 > - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Axiom-Developer'" -Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:43:38 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5WiurNgMgBZXESXOXHlVP6WKTYAABJnpQAACELZAAAKRxQAAAh9Xw -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +xCc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 7, 2007 6:29 PM I wrote: > @@ -7026,18 +6260,11 @@ If so, I will retry the build from zero with this patch. Regards, Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:00:56 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -7059,20 +6286,13 @@ Quoting Bill Page: That is great. Many thanks for the detective work. --- Gaby - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:35:13 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -7142,16 +6362,10 @@ Many thanks. sman_DEPENDENCIES = - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 01:16:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5bWn+0Npaw4qcQC6Ga9/82jURDAAK/gew -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: build-improvements revision 491 Gaby, @@ -7185,22 +6399,13 @@ make: *** [all-src] Error 2 Revision 490 builds with no problems. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements revision 491 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 02:03:33 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements revision 491 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -7241,32 +6446,20 @@ comment. That but was there undetected since before build-improvements was created and nobody noticed! I'll fix that. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: RE: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [491]branches/build-improvements Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:02:20 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [491]branches/build-improvements -Thread-Index: Acd5YXFsqFZTQkyoR+64r0r76rGj/wAWitIg - <87mz1j7s6e.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - - FILETIME=[9E371110:01C779BC] -Cc: +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [491]branches/build-improvements > dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net writes: > As of revision 491, I added a configure option --enable-checking for > requesting runtime checking of Lisp codes, e.g. (proclaim '(optimize -> (safety 3))).=20 +> (safety 3))). > That has the side effect of dramatically increasing the overall > compilation time. In return, you get to know about bugs you did not > suspect or did not want to know about. ->=20 +> This is not too suprising, when you consider all the mails in this newsgroup about errors with the following message >> System error: @@ -7274,24 +6467,11 @@ newsgroup about errors with the following message I always wondered why nobody recompiled the system with better error checking, to localize these bugs. I'm glad you did that. -Greetings - -Juergen Weiss - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - <874pnr7o7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 09:59:28 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -7305,20 +6485,11 @@ case the addition for solaris-based systems. I've checked in a patch that does that and passes the build on an i686-suse-linux. Please could you update and see whether the build works for? -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:24:13 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:24:13 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd57oX1iAKEiUzuTKi3np32/aq6EwAE55Tg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gaby, @@ -7339,21 +6510,13 @@ I will revert the earlier patch and svn update and try again. The first thing to check immedately after ./configure is the src/sman/Makefile, I guess... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 13:12:44 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -7383,35 +6546,26 @@ config.log. Yes, see what gets substituted there. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:43:58 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:43:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIyw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gaby, On April 8, 2007 2:13 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: -> |=20 +> ... +> Bill Page writes: +> | > | Sorry, the earlier patch also did not work on 'i386-pc-solaris2.10'. > | The same error as before. No -lsocket was added to the gcc command. ->=20 +> > Huh. It was added on my machine and compiler-link failed > precisely because the system ld could not find -lsocket. I have > special cased solaris. The build was OK on both i686-suse-linux > and x86_64-suse-linux. If your build fails, please send me again -> your config.log.=20 +> your config.log. Perhaps I just screwed up the previous patch last night. The build completed this time but I did have to make the following additional @@ -7419,38 +6573,38 @@ patch: -bash-3.00$ svn diff src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet Index: src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +================= --- src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet (revision 496) +++ src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet (working copy) @@ -35,13 +35,13 @@ - session_sources =3D session.c - session_SOURCES =3D $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(session_sources)) - session_objects =3D $(session_sources:.c=3D.$(OBJEXT)) --session_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad -+session_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ - session_DEPENDENCIES =3D - - spadclient_sources =3D spadclient.c - spadclient_SOURCES =3D $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(spadclient_sources)) - spadclient_objects =3D $(spadclient_sources:.c=3D.$(OBJEXT)) --spadclient_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad -+spadclient_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ - spadclient_DEPENDENCIES =3D - - sman_sources =3D sman.c + session_sources = session.c + session_SOURCES = $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(session_sources)) + session_objects = $(session_sources:.c=.$(OBJEXT)) +-session_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad ++session_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ + session_DEPENDENCIES = + + spadclient_sources = spadclient.c + spadclient_SOURCES = $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(spadclient_sources)) + spadclient_objects = $(spadclient_sources:.c=.$(OBJEXT)) +-spadclient_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad ++spadclient_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ + spadclient_DEPENDENCIES = + + sman_sources = sman.c ------- ->=20 +> > | I will revert the earlier patch and svn update and try again. -> |=20 +> | > | The first thing to check immedately after ./configure is the > | src/sman/Makefile, I guess... ->=20 +> > Yes, see what gets substituted there. ->=20 +> I think the build is ok now and I can start AXIOMsys. But I do get an error when I try hyperdoc: @@ -7504,21 +6658,12 @@ I will now try to build from wh-sandbox which I believe includes a number of significant changes to hyperdoc which are not yet brought into build-improvements. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:05:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIywAADQfaA= -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -7545,22 +6690,12 @@ Any ideas? I will try to create 'build/scripts' and continue. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:09:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIywAADQfaAAAEHlUA== -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 8, 2007 6:06 PM I wrote: > @@ -7582,24 +6717,12 @@ Oops, my stupid error. I meant to run: -bash-3.00$ ../wh-sandbox/configure 2>&1 | tee build.log -Sorry. Please ignore. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:12:41 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIywAADQfaAAAEHlUAAAGQKw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -7629,18 +6752,18 @@ mkdir -p /te x cd ./src && -SPAD=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10 = -SRC=3D/src -INT=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int -OBJ=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include = -NOISE=3D"-o +SPAD=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10 = +SRC=/src +INT=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int +OBJ=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include = +NOISE="-o /export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i386-pc-solaris2.10/trace" -VERSION=3D"Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-03-28" -DOCUMENT=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document = -PLF=3D"" -CCF=3D"-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" = -LISP=3Dlsp make +VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-03-28" +DOCUMENT=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document = +PLF="" +CCF="-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" = +LISP=lsp make make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src' cd ../../wh-sandbox/src && notangle -t8 Makefile.pamphlet > Makefile.inp = \ @@ -7662,7 +6785,7 @@ make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/lib' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/lib' /export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/lib/../.././build/scripts/document= ---tangle --output=3Dbsdsignal.c +--tangle --output=bsdsignal.c ../../../wh-sandbox/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet gcc -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -c -I/export/home0/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/include @@ -7687,23 +6810,13 @@ is now part of build-improvements? Can you suggest how to proceed? -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:16:02 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -7726,24 +6839,19 @@ introduced some time ago but never got around to fix (as I don't use it). I'll refocus on that. Sorry. Many thanks for testing and reporting back. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:13:55 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | | On April 8, 2007 2:13 PM you wrote: | > ... -| > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | > | | > | Sorry, the earlier patch also did not work on 'i386-pc-solaris2.10'. | > | The same error as before. No -lsocket was added to the gcc command. @@ -7782,18 +6890,13 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Yes, you're right. Please commit that if you can. Many thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:18:34 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Waldek, | @@ -7822,18 +6925,13 @@ Waldek recently did cherry picking of various patches from build-improvements without properly labelling them, and added tweaks of his own. He might know more about that issue than I do. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 19:13:55 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Waldek, | @@ -7854,18 +6952,13 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Hmm, you're giving both a file and a directory the same name; that is likely to cause troubles. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:35:47 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: HyperDoc -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -8012,21 +7105,11 @@ The other fragment is equally deceptive. - - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:03:12 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 Quoting Bill Page: @@ -8041,20 +7124,11 @@ I would have thought that merge from axiom.build-improvements should be done whole sale to keep in sync. If you find a problem that needs addressing please let us know (and even better send a patch :-). --- Gaby - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:39:29 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:39:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6NmXpAlZ6QYQASEaxWY4AdvbDngAMkUpA -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gaby, @@ -8095,21 +7169,11 @@ autoconf-2.61 so 'build-setup.sh' produces a lot of "housekeeping" changes in 'configure'. Do you want me to include the new onfigure in the commit? Or will you update it later? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gregory Vanuxem'" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 02:56:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5AtHLxkG8paoeRYGkFnsvJkB4JQBa3xsA -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker On April 7, 2007 6:53 AM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > ... @@ -8198,22 +7262,11 @@ what is currently defined in the Axiom library? If so, then perhaps I suppose that Join also that Join must be a category constructor which the interpreter might also have to understand. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:06:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6Szq9Nlt7S4m5R7C0friF0WhQ4QAKV1fw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 On April 8, 2007 10:03 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -8247,21 +7300,12 @@ time to such a merge? I will be glad to do that when/if I can. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2 x86 -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Apr 2007 10:06:30 +0200 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , - Waldek Hebisch , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > > Cherry picking from axiom.build-improvements is asking for > > trouble. I would have thought that merge from build-improvements @@ -8303,17 +7347,11 @@ organize all these improvements. I'm well aware of the fact that many of you are also more interested in the algebra than in the build process... And I am really grateful for all your work! -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: HyperDoc -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:24:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: HyperDoc Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -8324,19 +7362,12 @@ Why do you want relative paths on Windows? AFAICS relative paths cause a lot of trouble and the simplest way to handle them is converting to absolute path as soon as possible. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:59:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Waldek, @@ -8370,18 +7401,11 @@ also changed src/lib files to use results of configure run. So one have to merge changes to src/lib (and possibly also other C parts). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:37:11 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:37:11 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8396,16 +7420,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I beg to disagree. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: HyperDoc -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:02:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: HyperDoc Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8425,20 +7444,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Could you elaborate: you say that relative paths are needed on Windows but you did not say why? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:25:54 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -8485,26 +7495,11 @@ is designed to be "re-routed". There is nothing gained in writing the components to assume that all paths are absolute. We could as well assume that Earth is flat. --- Gaby - -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:47:42 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8543,17 +7538,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: That was the point of doing the exercise -- things are detected at confuguration time and sub-components use that results. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 11:42:42 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc - <20070409112554.04qzmi33ksgs0s8s@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 11:42:42 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -8590,18 +7579,11 @@ particular options start with forward slash. I don't remember the exact details, but at some point some of the absolute paths (using Unix-style notation) started being interpreted as options; it isn't funny. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:52:37 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -8639,30 +7621,18 @@ Quoting Bill Page: >> Yes, you're right. Please commit that if you can. Many thanks! >> > -> Yes, I could commit this change but I just noticed that I am using -> autoconf-2.61 so 'build-setup.sh' produces a lot of "housekeeping" -> changes in 'configure'. Do you want me to include the new onfigure -> in the commit? Or will you update it later? - -OK, I'll do it. - -Thanks! - --- Gaby - -> - - - - +> Yes, I could commit this change but I just noticed that I am using +> autoconf-2.61 so 'build-setup.sh' produces a lot of "housekeeping" +> changes in 'configure'. Do you want me to include the new onfigure +> in the commit? Or will you update it later? +OK, I'll do it. \start -Subject: Re: HyperDoc -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:44:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: HyperDoc Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -8729,18 +7699,11 @@ Later: Explicit drive letter should cure this problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Relative vs. Absolute paths (was Re: HyperDoc) To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +Subject: Relative vs. Absolute paths (was Re: HyperDoc) --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -8796,24 +7759,11 @@ much difference. I am sure I'm missing something important - is there an example where the relative merits of the two approaches can be clearly seen? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -TV dinner still cooling? -Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:31:18 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:31:18 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8914,16 +7864,11 @@ I don't intend to spend more resources on a problem I consider solved. However, you're free to do so, but please don't break my builds; I've burnt enough cycles in that issue. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:48:09 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Relative vs. Absolute paths (was Re: HyperDoc) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:48:09 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -8985,17 +7930,10 @@ intend to become a windows developer -- I don't have the time for that. Consequently, it is important that I don't spend too much time solving windows only issues. Your mileage may vary. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Markus Cozowicz'" Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:08:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3nJvETrQTxQIHRja41cAqJuZhBABl99JQAG4BatAAAqCYTQAEZ0iw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Markus Cozowicz Subject: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) Markus, @@ -9069,21 +8007,13 @@ code is a serious risk, I think the best option would be to run Axiom in a chroot environment or perhaps on a separate virtual machine using Xen or other VM tool. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Apr 2007 21:43:13 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -9488,38 +8418,28 @@ src/sman/ sman_sources = sman.c - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:36:14 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_033E_01C77B08.422B3070" -Thread-Index: Acd6r0w4z52HcqnkT6W+ZbXSCHOtUgAdPLgQ -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 - -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_033E_01C77B08.422B3070 - charset="us-ascii" +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, On April 9, 2007 9:59 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Configure machinery should be in place, but build-improvements > also changed src/lib files to use results of configure run. > So one have to merge changes to src/lib (and possibly also > other C parts). ->=20 +> I checked the revision log for bsdsignal: http://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/axiom/branches/build-improvements= /sr -c/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet?view=3Dlog +c/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet?view=log apparently wh-sandbox is missing build-improvements revision 366. @@ -9636,20 +8556,11 @@ luNxC1KluLbWEL9/OphW45mCdirj/wBXfuhx7EoAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_033E_01C77B08.422B3070-- - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:42:09 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:42:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7Gf10xM8wMKGUTz2fygIdR8PX9gAGGb+w -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' - -Gaby, I am very grateful for your effort to resolve the problem! @@ -9679,23 +8590,13 @@ On April 9, 2007 10:43 PM you wrote: The build completed normally and I now have a fully functional Axiom with HyperDoc. -Thank you. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 01:04:14 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -9720,22 +8621,13 @@ Oops, the build just completed on windows. Thank *you* for testing and reporting back. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" , - axiom-dev , - Bill Page - <9qfy78lc1z.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1d67a53c0704100421h3c8c3580u5771ceb533d313d8@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 14:21:42 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew, Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > Hi Martin, > @@ -9783,24 +8675,15 @@ http://lispnyc.org/soc.clp and mention Martin Rubey as (inofficial) co-mentor. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Alasdair McAndrew'" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:11:37 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7as45Q/zTAaGzT4KGWpFQgEUNgAADlxcw -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Alasdair McAndrew Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions On April 10, 2007 8:22 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> Alasdair McAndrew writes: > > > Hi Martin, > > @@ -9864,22 +8747,14 @@ copy of Axiom. It cannot use a previously started process. Sorry, but Summer of Code application deadline was March 26. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 16:51:47 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Alasdair McAndrew' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Martin, your "advice" is confusing. TeXmacs starts it's own copy of Axiom. It > cannot use a previously started process. @@ -9897,19 +8772,12 @@ starts axiom normally (such that HyperDoc can be used) and then starts TeXmacs LispNYC says that their deadline is today. If I misunderstood, please remove the advertisment on the Frontpage. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:13:16 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions - <9q8xd02sfw.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Alasdair McAndrew +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew > > Sorry, but Summer of Code application deadline was March 26. > @@ -9918,17 +8786,12 @@ Cc: axiom-dev , The deadline of April 11 is for mentors. - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 10:54:51 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon - -Hi, - With a recent version of msys (Windows XP), I'm seeing a surprising behaviour where the '::' in boottran::boottoclc will be passed to the Lisp image as a semicolon! I don't know whether is GCL doign it or @@ -10220,20 +9083,17 @@ src/scripts/ \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:01:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7f8UH8SOXkUiJT76LoMEwJqwvBQABkcPA -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Alasdair McAndrew' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Martin, On April 10, 2007 10:52 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Martin, your "advice" is confusing. TeXmacs starts it's own > > copy of Axiom. It cannot use a previously started process. @@ -10290,21 +9150,11 @@ not receive any applications? I have just updated FrontPage. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:15:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7iJgLpoN0ot/gRAuQdA1cRE/qqgAAXTCA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon On April 10, 2007 11:55 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -10346,22 +9196,12 @@ work. What error do you get? Thank you for you continuing work to support a Windows version of Axiom in the build-improvements branch. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:22:13 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6r0w4z52HcqnkT6W+ZbXSCHOtUgAdPLgQABnmd3A= -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -10403,24 +9243,14 @@ make[1]: *** [all-sman] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src' make: *** [all-src] Error 2 -------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 11:21:50 -0500 -Cc: 'Alasdair McAndrew' , - 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -10444,19 +9274,13 @@ Spad and the computational aspect is what we want to advertise. BTW, it would be great if either you or Alfredo can make a new Windows binary (from build-improvements or wh-sandbox, whichever builds). --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 11:24:59 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -10466,17 +9290,12 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' I believe it is saying that the directory sman does not exist -- so it is not like the error you reported earlier for build-improvements. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:31:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Waldek, > @@ -10530,24 +9349,15 @@ I If bsdsignal.c change works separatly then please commit it (but without the configure changes). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:34:25 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions -Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:34:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7jFhGlbVEdOM9SnqBzP4fd48ZXAAAPXEg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 10, 2007 12:22 PM Gaby wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -10590,21 +9400,13 @@ previous Windows binary distribution more than two years ago. I could do it again now but I think there would be greated benefit if someone else also participates in this task. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 11:39:48 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 10, 2007 11:55 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -10698,19 +9500,12 @@ directories then you have to specify -r. That behaviour is uniform and not specific to msys. Therefore Autoconf is wrong to default to "cp -p" when it does not know how I'm going to use LN_S. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:41:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7jcPd9v/zkOaLSKCuC8fGoolbogAAM2Tg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -10741,22 +9536,12 @@ perhaps related to the unintentional configure reversion. Ok. I will revert my changes to configure so that I have wh-sandbox at r 485 again and repeat the build. -Thanks! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:10:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Waldek, @@ -10806,19 +9591,11 @@ did not create sman subdirectory. In such case src/Makefile should skip sman subdriectory -- it looks that wh-sandbox have unnecessery dependency on all-sman. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... +Subject: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -10874,24 +9651,12 @@ I think in the future Axiom will fare better, as we are slowly cleaning up the system and porting to SBCL et. al. That should be one big step forward, and improved code documentation also will be a big help. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Finding fabulous fares is fun. -Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:06:22 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: alobo2@washcoll.edu Subject: ECCAD on Axiom Mailing List +Cc: Austin Lobo ECCAD, The East Coast Computer Algebra Day, is being held at Washington College on April 21st in Chestertown, Maryland, USA. @@ -10903,23 +9668,13 @@ to order (they are providing lunch). There are slots left for posters and demonstrations. Deadline for receipt is April 14th. -Contacts: -website: eccad07.washcoll.edu -phone: Austin Lobo 410-778-7873 -email: alobo2@washcoll.edu - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 21:03:26 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Unfortunately we did not receive any eligible applications from students > regarding Axiom. :-( I think we should try to analyze why that @@ -11041,19 +9796,11 @@ generatingSeries()$P2 is only possible in the interpreter -- and that's a wise decision, too, as Christian Aistleitner confirmed. - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: ECCAD on Axiom Mailing List -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: alobo2@washcoll.edu That's a bit of a drive for me, but I think I can make it. I'll try to attend. @@ -11067,42 +9814,15 @@ Cliff > > Please come. > Please register (eccad07.washcoll.edu) so they know how much food -> to order (they are providing lunch). -> -> There are slots left for posters and demonstrations. -> Deadline for receipt is April 14th. -> -> Contacts: -> website: eccad07.washcoll.edu -> phone: Austin Lobo 410-778-7873 -> email: alobo2@washcoll.edu -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Never miss an email again! -Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - +> to order (they are providing lunch). +> +> There are slots left for posters and demonstrations. +> Deadline for receipt is April 14th. \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Bill Page - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 21:16:45 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page Subject: Kudos Dear Bill, Gaby and Waldek! @@ -11123,18 +9843,11 @@ unable to build it, for whatever reason. I am very much indebted, -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... To: Martin Rubey -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -11236,27 +9949,11 @@ one and I'm not completely sure I'll have access to a Windows box. If that would be a very significant help, I will look into it - let me know. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:48:12 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Quoting Martin Rubey: @@ -11290,7 +9987,7 @@ As are we all. Earlier quoting Martin Rubey: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > >> .. Does anyone have any other ideas about why we did not >> receive any applications? @@ -11512,22 +10209,11 @@ I think that is basically correct however you do realize that Aldor was specifically designed to be the replacement for SPAD, so this relationship to SPAD is not at all unexpected. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:57:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - -C Y, +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... I can't resist "jumping" at the conclusion of your last email... @@ -11563,19 +10249,11 @@ at the K-mart for not much money. ;) And I as I have said several times before: I have done this before and I would be very glad to help someone do it again. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Help needed, - was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 23:21:06 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -11629,20 +10307,11 @@ conventions.) But if it is not tooooo big a project, such a bundle would be, again: WONDERFUL. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -To: Bill Page, - Martin Rubey -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -11676,29 +10345,11 @@ Right. Well, that's good news. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - - ---- Bill Page wrote: +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... > > I can see where we might be able to put together a NSIS based > > installer of a merger of the latest build-improvements, the @@ -11727,27 +10378,13 @@ access to a box in about 3 weeks, and if I can I'll set up an Axiom build environment and take a stab at it. I'm a Linux guy myself but we really need something newer than the current binary... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Finding fabulous fares is fun. -Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 23:40:34 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: species project, - was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: species project, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > * a free Aldor, or, since this is quite unlikely to happen, > @@ -11825,20 +10462,11 @@ and maybe * investigate whether we can compute the molecular expansion of a species - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Martin Rubey, Bill Page Subject: Re: species project -To: Martin Rubey, - Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -11874,46 +10502,11 @@ could then devote time to SPAD knowing we wouldn't have the rug yanked out from under us by an Aldor release (i.e. it would be work we do actually need to do and couldn't avoid by waiting). -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Looking for earth-friendly autos? -Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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Games. -http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:08:22 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11925,18 +10518,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: If socket support is detected not to exist, configure would not have generated Makefiles to that instruct to build sman. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:14:24 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom - didn't appeal to SoC coders... - <9qwt0k9b99.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -11977,19 +10563,11 @@ bundle to be HUGE. If we can successfully release a "normal" Windows binary perhaps we can look next at bundling cygwin and X for an "all-in-one" type release. -Cheers, -CY - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:28:52 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -12029,18 +10607,11 @@ consider Axiom as a program that wants access to network and it might be blocked; then the anti-virus will ask you whether you want to grant access or not. That is silly. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:17:25 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Martin Rubey writes: @@ -12054,19 +10625,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: The idea that Axiom is a Lisp project is largely fantasy. Semi ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:23:06 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Kudos - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhwjazm.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:23:06 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -12086,19 +10650,11 @@ For my class using Axiom to "succeed", I need an Axiom that does not require heroic effort -- please don't tell me "yum", "apt-get"; they don't work for everybody. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:54:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Help needed - <9qwt0k9b99.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <461C0C40.204@yahoo.com> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -12204,18 +10760,11 @@ Axiom Graphics as cygwin applications while running AXIOMsys as a native application with the right support for sockets might be the hard part. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:10:29 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -12227,20 +10776,13 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I do hope you do all your best to avoid duplicated build-improvements work. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... - <20070410165744.fpkredya7808w884@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:30:32 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -12251,22 +10793,14 @@ We should. I see no compelling reason why we should hae parallel build effort on branches from build-improvements and keep them separate. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: Help needed, - was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... - <9qwt0k9b99.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:32:09 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Martin Rubey writes: - [...] | Bill writes: @@ -12277,20 +10811,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: GCL-2.6.8pre cannot build on cygwin; I don't know how to get the whole thing. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:34:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - <87r6qrsw2j.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -12334,19 +10859,11 @@ there was not thread suppor under unix (or what ever Axiom was built on at that time) and it was still considered "pretty neat" to get this stuff working via sockets. So I would call it legacy rather than over engineering. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -To: Bill Page, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -12410,28 +10927,12 @@ feature. Couldn't we do something like: Start Axiom GUI -> If threads, start new thread with kernel If no threads, start new process with kernel -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:59:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting C Y : @@ -12479,21 +10980,11 @@ Windows is a little technically challenging (but not too difficult, I think). But probably it would be better to modify AXIOM to use the socket support built in to Lisp (GCL). -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:34:13 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... - <20070410205920.mnwc68sn02cko8c0@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Bill Page wrote: @@ -12552,22 +11043,12 @@ would be good, but I'm not familiar with the options except knowing about the existence of usocket: http://common-lisp.net/project/usocket/ Apparently GCL is not on the usocket list yet. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhwjazm.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0jswc5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Apr 2007 09:02:20 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -12588,24 +11069,12 @@ covers most if not all of build-improvements. Is this incorrect? If not, why do you want to merge things back from wh-sandbox into build-improvements and not the other way round? - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhwjazm.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0jswc5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qk5wjgzr7.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 08:40:05 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -12632,49 +11101,42 @@ else tend to create unnecessary work -- I don't know for others, but I don't enough time to spend solving problems I could avoid in the first place. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem - <1176301693.3293.9.camel@ellipse> <87abxfq7ps.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 10:08:49 -0500 -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net, list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [501] - branches/build-improvements +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: [501] branches/build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: -|=20 +| Gregory Vanuxem writes: +| | | Hello, -| |=20 +| | | | Le mercredi 11 avril 2007 =E0 06:49 -0700, dos-reis@users.sourceforge.n= et -| | a =E9crit :=20 +| | a =E9crit : | | > Revision: 501 -| | > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=3D501&view=3Drev +| | > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=501&view=rev | | > Author: dos-reis | | > Date: 2007-04-11 06:49:23 -0700 (Wed, 11 Apr 2007) -| | >=20 +| | > | | > Log Message: | | > ----------- | | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| | >=20 +| | > | | > * configure.ac.pamphlet: Update version info. | | > * configure.ac: Regenerate. | | > * configure: Likewise. -| | >=20 +| | > | | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| | >=20 +| | > | | > * postpar.boot.pamphlet: Push into package BOOT. | | > Remove cached Lisp translation | | > * Makefile.pamphlet (<>): Remove. | | > (postpar.boot): Translate with bootsys. | | > * Makefile.in: Regenerate. -| | >=20 +| | > | | > Modified Paths: | | > -------------- | | > branches/build-improvements/ChangeLog.build-improvements @@ -12688,10 +11150,10 @@ ts | | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/c-util.boot.pamphlet | | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/postpar.boot.pamphlet | | > branches/build-improvements/src/scripts/document.in -| |=20 +| | | | c-util.boot was modified too :-). I don't know if this is intentional | | but you did not push it into the "BOOT" package. -|=20 +| | Ooooops, I checked in the WRONG tree -- I meant to check in the tree | that constains only the change to c-util. I'm deeply sorry. ^^^^^^ @@ -12700,53 +11162,46 @@ gloops; I meant "postpar.boot" changes only. As is the tree cannot build. There is a bug in c-util.boot that I wanted to correct before adding -the changes that make it compilable with bootsys.=20=20 +the changes that make it compilable with bootsys. I should not commit to Axiom early in the morning before enough coffee. I'll notify you when I reinstate the tree in a good shape. Sorry for the inconvenience. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem - <1176301693.3293.9.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 10:59:17 -0500 -Cc: list, axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [501] - branches/build-improvements +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: [501] branches/build-improvements -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello, -|=20 +| | Le mercredi 11 avril 2007 =E0 06:49 -0700, dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net -| a =E9crit :=20 +| a =E9crit : | > Revision: 501 -| > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=3D501&view=3Drev +| > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=501&view=rev | > Author: dos-reis | > Date: 2007-04-11 06:49:23 -0700 (Wed, 11 Apr 2007) -| >=20 +| > | > Log Message: | > ----------- | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| >=20 +| > | > * configure.ac.pamphlet: Update version info. | > * configure.ac: Regenerate. | > * configure: Likewise. -| >=20 +| > | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| >=20 +| > | > * postpar.boot.pamphlet: Push into package BOOT. | > Remove cached Lisp translation | > * Makefile.pamphlet (<>): Remove. | > (postpar.boot): Translate with bootsys. | > * Makefile.in: Regenerate. -| >=20 +| > | > Modified Paths: | > -------------- | > branches/build-improvements/ChangeLog.build-improvements @@ -12759,25 +11214,18 @@ Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/c-util.boot.pamphlet | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/postpar.boot.pamphlet | > branches/build-improvements/src/scripts/document.in -|=20 +| | c-util.boot was modified too :-). I don't know if this is intentional | but you did not push it into the "BOOT" package. I reverted the tree to the state it was at revision 500. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:54:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek, Gaby, maybe you could spend a minute explaining in what ways @@ -12826,21 +11274,12 @@ What wh-sandbox has which is not in build-improvements: 3) new algebra bootstrap 4) many bug fixes - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 15:25:08 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -12853,19 +11292,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: This is something I would have liked to go into build-improvements so that I don't have to do the same thing. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:39:57 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -12889,19 +11321,12 @@ the incorporation of a few more revisions from build-improvements. Waldek, I am ready to commit my revisioin 366 based changes to wh-sandbox. Shall I proceed? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:14:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > I can now confirm that after removing my unintentional reversion @@ -12919,48 +11344,17 @@ Bill Page wrote: Yes, go on. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 19:59:30 -0500 -Subject: [Richard Fateman] Re: - [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - ---=-=-= - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom FYI. - ---=-=-= - -Return-Path: -Delivered-To: gdr@localhost.cs.tamu.edu Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:54:35 -0700 From: Richard Fateman - rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) -To: maxima@math.utexas.edu - <461D108E.5070309@uhasselt.be> <87fy76u79r.fsf@truman.edu> - - <877isiu5er.fsf@truman.edu> - - <87irc2pskc.fsf@truman.edu> - Subject: Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - - -Errors-To: maxima-bounces@math.utexas.edu -x-ctasd: uncategorized -x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized -x-ctasd-station: - FILETIME=[CB503710:01C77C9D] -Xref: soliton.cs.tamu.edu mail.misc:96852 In Axiom version of 1/17/2005 @@ -12971,29 +11365,11 @@ In Axiom version of 1/17/2005 I don't know if this counts as unexpected to a 5th grader, but does a 5th grader even know about "E" scientific notation? - - - - -_______________________________________________ -Maxima mailing list -Maxima@math.utexas.edu -http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima - - ---=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:27:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] - Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -13030,25 +11406,13 @@ In Axiom version of 1/17/2005 I don't know if this counts as unexpected to a 5th grader, but does a 5th grader even know about "E" scientific notation? ------- - -What's his point? - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: - [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - <20070411212758.cnzw4akxpios88kw@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 20:40:21 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: | @@ -13093,20 +11457,11 @@ the more conventional and reliable "double" C datatype. If he reads this mailing list you would get an answer :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:30:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] - Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - <876482nzei.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -13176,20 +11531,13 @@ Of the "machine" float: > | 1.96 - 1.4^2 comes out as 0.7 E -20 > | - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: - [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - <876482nzei.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070411223004.wuhd95vldx444s8g@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 21:45:08 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: | @@ -13232,19 +11580,11 @@ Cc: list which agrees with what Maxima computes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple - decimals / Axiom -To: Bill Page, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom --- Bill Page wrote: > @@ -13262,18 +11602,6 @@ topic got to comparative behavior of CASs and calculators. I don't think there is a criticism of Axiom involved as such, the discussion is more general than that. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -13337,23 +11665,10 @@ sure our error messages are informative in the case of failure to connect, and provide all available information for resolving the issues. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 08:16:34 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: gcl configure breakage I tried to configure gcl, which a collegue fetched yesterday via @@ -13427,16 +11742,10 @@ configure: failed program was: return 0; } - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch , - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 08:55:21 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 Dear Waldek, @@ -13505,22 +11814,12 @@ make[1]: *** [all-lisp] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harre/ax-build/src' make: *** [all-src] Error 2 - -Many thanks in advance - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:26:35 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch same problem in build-improvements. @@ -13597,28 +11896,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > make[1]: *** [all-lisp] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harre/ax-build/src' > make: *** [all-src] Error 2 -> -> -> Many thanks in advance -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-dev -Subject: Re: gcl configure breakage -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:29:58 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: gcl configure breakage After installing binutils-dev and m4 configure worked. Now it's making... @@ -13698,28 +11981,13 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > fclose(fp); > return 0; > } -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 - was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:52:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Hello, @@ -13800,14 +12068,14 @@ XEC) > > Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible licen= se > > Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter -> >=20 +> > > > Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. > > Temporary directory for compiler files set to /tmp/ -> >=20 +> > > > >/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > sh: /home/harre/ax-build/build/i686-pc-linux/bin/raw_lisp: not found -> >=20 +> > > > Error: Cannot delete the file #p"/home/harre/ax-build/build/i686-pc-l= inux/bin/raw_lisp": "No such file or directory". > > Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging @@ -13819,37 +12087,12 @@ ror 255 > > make[1]: *** [all-lisp] Error 2 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harre/ax-build/src' > > make: *** [all-src] Error 2 -> >=20 -> >=20 -> > Many thanks in advance -> >=20 -> > Martin -> >=20 -> >=20 -> >=20 -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -13915,17 +12158,12 @@ the engineering has forgotten the basics. I'm not a windows developer, so patches are welcome. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:49:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Camm Maguire Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Waldek, @@ -14022,28 +12260,12 @@ MD5sum: 1846a63096382273dfd4cf7652d224c8 In particular there is no dependency on developement libraries, so it is passible that current Debian have similar problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - - - - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 06:50:57 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14057,17 +12279,11 @@ surronding contexts. It should not be the same as with wh-sandbox because build-improvements configures GCL with --disable-xgcl and --disable-tkconfig. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Bill Page -Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 14:10:40 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page +Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -14083,18 +12299,11 @@ while compiling ALGEBRA. Didn't Bill Page say that one has to tweak some setting in gcl? -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 07:24:21 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qmz1dlrnj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 07:24:21 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14118,18 +12327,11 @@ Please, please, please. General message to people experiencing The build is slower but you may get a chance to make a meaningful report that may eventually help fix the bug you run into. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 14:36:47 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qmz1dlrnj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87y7kxlr0q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Apr 2007 14:36:47 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14157,21 +12359,12 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: Does this work also in wh-sandbox? -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 15:13:26 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14196,19 +12389,12 @@ build-improvements succeeded. I am currently retrying wh-sandbox with --enable-checking. -Thanks for all your help! - -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:45:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14242,24 +12428,12 @@ guessing package (I still have to investigate the problem). (PROCLAIM '(FTYPE (FUNCTION (*) (VALUES T T)) BOOT:|ReadLine|)) (PROCLAIM - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1ybux.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 08:54:46 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14292,22 +12466,12 @@ It is not clear to me that wh-sandbox has the --enable-checking bits. One drawback of Autoconf design is that when configure does not understand an --enable-FEATURE switch, it says nothing. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1ybux.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69lmu1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 16:13:25 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14341,20 +12505,12 @@ You see, I really need wh-sandbox because of three reasons: (the last item depends on the second item, but the first item also is extremely helpful) - - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 16:17:35 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch A request for both build-improvements and wh-sandbox: @@ -14370,26 +12526,12 @@ the ".spad.pamphlet"s, not the ".spad"s Is there any reason for copying the "spad"s instead? -Thanks for everything, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1ybux.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69lmu1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qslb5isu2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:19:20 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14439,16 +12581,11 @@ Ideally, all of this should be merged back to silver, but I don't know what Silver is. I would hate to change target every two or three months. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Sockets and threads -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:20:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Sockets and threads Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -14480,20 +12617,11 @@ Other Lisp may also place restrictions on possible behaviour of C code. Socket interface seem to be accepted way to interface general programs with Lisp (and other high level runtimes). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:30:18 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Sockets and threads - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -14541,23 +12669,12 @@ aren't. Not that much. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:39:20 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Quoting Martin Rubey: @@ -14589,25 +12706,12 @@ on the priority list. > the ".spad.pamphlet"s, not the ".spad"s > > Is there any reason for copying the "spad"s instead? -> -> Thanks for everything, -> -> Martin -> -> - - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:40:56 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Sockets and threads - <20070412093018.jjulegy1pcgkskgw@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:40:56 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14643,18 +12747,12 @@ s/do/does not/ Sorry for the confusion. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 16:49:08 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14684,17 +12782,11 @@ Maybe even but no, that's confusing... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -14753,18 +12845,9 @@ P.S. I don't mean to be an irritation, Gaby - it's possible I'm just lacking enough basic understanding to follow you correctly. Is there some introductory material on thread vs. socket issues that I could read? - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get your own web address. -Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:20:05 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: sockets @@ -14773,18 +12856,11 @@ X11 is a socket-based design. When we tried to write graphics Given that the graphics had sockets it made sense to communicate from Axiom to the graphics component using the same protocol. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:29:07 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -thread-index: Acd8+5h4Wf/NsEQYQgixS3AWBNgj9AAGdaAg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 On April 12, 2007 8:11 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -14811,19 +12887,11 @@ operating systems on which it runs. This and the specific code relocation method is the what changes most from machine to machine. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:46:18 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:46:18 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -14903,20 +12971,12 @@ Yes. They are not mutually exclusive, so I don't understand your point. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:47:55 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14946,16 +13006,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: How do you say, produce a clisp/dvi/pdf out of this? How do you say, just compile the tangled code? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:54:26 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sockets -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:54:26 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -14979,21 +13034,12 @@ critically on sockets? Take Emacs, for example. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:54:43 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15038,23 +13084,12 @@ Thus, I think that is quite ok. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:01:26 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15104,17 +13139,10 @@ Martin Rubey writes: We can simplify the switches if we are willing to use the same switches as document itself. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'axiom-dev'" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:03:37 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -thread-index: Acd86MkCngghdvgdROy/EijOlCByQgALvBkg -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: FW: summer of code Axiom Developers; @@ -15178,26 +13206,12 @@ advertising. The technical issues with those selected will be done later, don't worry about it now. I'll be in touch. -Ondrej - - - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 18:22:10 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15244,18 +13258,11 @@ and show a usage message just as axiom -h. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -15310,24 +13317,11 @@ different sort of issue. I'm surprised that this aspect of Axiom is complex, so there are clearly some design issues I'm not taking into account yet. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:32:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:32:02 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -15369,24 +13363,12 @@ When you try to port Axiom to say, ECL, SBCL, CLISP, etc. that added complexity becomes non-negligeable. Since, I've been doing that, I think I let my exasperation out. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:34:35 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15443,25 +13425,12 @@ For example. I would also like to be able to dump intermediate representation, compile to machine objects or FASLs, create a standalone executable. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 18:41:08 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15518,18 +13487,11 @@ version. But do as you wish. In any case, please install ".spad.pamphlet" instead of ".spad" into src/algebra. There is quite a bit of documented algebra source meanwhile. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -15565,23 +13527,10 @@ hope anyway... Cheers, and thanks for all the hard work you've been doing! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Bored stiff? Loosen up... -Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -http://games.yahoo.com/games/front - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 19:45:43 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly, Waldek Hebisch Subject: docstrings created by aldor Dear Tim, Waldek, @@ -15693,28 +13642,21 @@ The libdb is created magically when I first )lib the compiled files Any insight would be great, -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:08:32 -0500 -To: rubey@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at -Cc: list, waldemar.Waldek Hebisch +From: Tim Daly +To: Martin Rubey Subject: docstrings created by aldor +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Sorry, I have no clue. -- t - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 20:15:06 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Apr 2007 20:15:06 +0200 -Cc: list, waldemar.Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Tim Daly writes: @@ -15725,19 +13667,11 @@ creating libdb.text? I guess it is created from the asy file, but even that I do not know. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, list, - waldemar.Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor - <9qhcrlfoid.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 20:27:33 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15777,15 +13711,12 @@ $\setN^{(\setN)}$ to $\setQ$ in anology to the fact that a \useterm{formal power series} (over $\setQ$) is a f--unct--ion -- f--rom --$\se--tN$ --to $--\setQ$. \end{addescription} - - - \start -Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:04:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, waldemar.Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15803,18 +13734,11 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: Look at the function writedb in br-data.boot.pamphlet. It looks that this function is resposible for mangling you see. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 21:42:29 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Apr 2007 21:42:29 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15830,29 +13754,12 @@ grep "500" *.pamphlet Any idea what that's good for? Well, in any case, it will help me a lot to reach my goal! -Thanks a million times, Waldek! - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:46:37 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15886,17 +13793,11 @@ I was talking of the axiom script. But, yes currently, document can translate Boot to Lisp, compile Lisp to object codes, and assemble object codes to executable. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:56:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor - <9qwt0hfkgq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:56:24 -0500 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15917,30 +13818,20 @@ Martin Rubey writes: 500 characters should be enough for everybody! --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Jeremy Siek Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:54:07 -0600 +From: Jeremy Siek +To: list Subject: CFP: Library-Centric Software Design 2007 ---Apple-Mail-51-560751565 - charset=WINDOWS-1252; - delsp=yes; - format=flowed - - ACM SIGPLAN SYMPOSIUM ON LIBRARY-CENTRIC SOFTWARE DESIGN - LCSD'07 http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2007 on October 21st, 2007 at - Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and =20 + Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and Applications (OOPSLA'07) conference in Montreal, Canada, October 21-25, 2007 @@ -15990,7 +13881,7 @@ style file (option 1) at http://www.acm.org/sigs/pubs/proceed/template.html. 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=A0 =A0 ACM SIGPLAN = -SYMPOSIUM ON LIBRARY-CENTRIC SOFTWARE DESIGN - LCSD'07

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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = -=A0 =A0=A0 on October 21st, 2007 at

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = -Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and Applications = -
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (OOPSLA'07) conference in Montreal, Canada, = -October 21-25, 2007

CALL FOR = -PAPERS

Libraries are central to = -all major scientific, engineering, and
business areas, yet the = -design, implementation, and use of libraries
are = -underdeveloped arts. This symposium is one of the first steps = -in
the process of placing all aspects of libraries on a sound = -technical
and scientific basis through research into = -fundamental issues and
documentation of best = -practices.
=A0 =A0
A software library is an = -organized collection of code with associated
tools supporting = -programming in general or in specific domains,
usually united = -by a specified set of principles and conventions. = -Most
libraries are aimed for use by several people and in = -different
environments. The areas of software library research = -include

=A0 =A0= - * Design and implementation of libraries
=A0 =A0 * Program = -and system design based on libraries
=A0 =A0 * Libraries = -supporting specific application domains, such as
=A0 =A0 =A0 = -biology or banking
=A0 =A0 * Evolution, refactoring, and = -maintenance of libraries
=A0 =A0 * Empirical studies of = -library use
=A0 =A0 * Performance of libraries, including = -benchmarking and
=A0 =A0 =A0 library-based = -optimizations
=A0 =A0 * Design of language facilities and = -tools in support of library
=A0 =A0 =A0 definition and = -use
=A0 =A0 * Validation, debugging, and testing of = -libraries
=A0 =A0 * Extensibility, parameterization, and = -customization
=A0 =A0 * Distribution of libraries
=A0 = -=A0 * Specification of libraries and their semantics
=A0 =A0 * = -Usability for library users and developers
=A0 =A0 * Assessing = -quality of libraries
=A0 =A0 * Documentation and teaching of = -libraries
=A0 =A0 * Creating and supporting communities of = -library users
=A0 =A0 * Using several libraries in combination = -

We invite = -the submission of papers on software library
research, = -including, but not limited to, the above list of topics.
The = -papers should address issues important to libraries as
a = -field, i.e., describe ideas or techniques that can be reused = -for
libraries across problem domains and/or = -languages.

Authors should use the = -latest ACM SIGS conference
style file (option 1) = -at
be limited to 12 pages in this style.

Accepted papers will be = -published in the ACM proceedings for the symposium.

IMPORTANT = -DATES

Aug 1=A0 = -=A0=A0 Submission of papers
Sep 1=A0 =A0=A0 Notification of = -acceptance
Sep 15=A0 =A0 Submission of final versions of the = -papers
Oct 21=A0 =A0 Symposium

SUBMISSION PROCEDURE = -

For details = -of the electronic submission procedure, see the = -symposium's
Web site, http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2007.

ORGANIZERS

=A0 =A0 *=A0 Jaakko J=89rvi, = -Texas A&M University
=A0 =A0 *=A0 David Musser, = -Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
=A0 =A0 *=A0 Sibylle Schupp, = -Chalmers University of Technology
=A0 =A0 *=A0 Jeremy Siek, = -University of Colorado at Boulder
=A0 =A0 *=A0 Frank Tip, IBM = -T.J. Watson Research

PROGRAM = -COMMITTEE

=A0 = -=A0 * Matthew Austern, Google
=A0 =A0 * Antonio Cisternino, = -University of Piza
=A0 =A0 * Sean Parent, Adobe Systems = -Incorporated
=A0 =A0 * Brian Goetz, Quiotix Corp.
=A0 = -=A0 * Andrew Lumsdaine, Indiana University
=A0 =A0 * Oege de = -Moor, Oxford University
=A0 =A0 * Lawrence Rauchwerger, Texas = -A&M
=A0 =A0 * Peter Sestoft, University of = -Copenhagen
=A0 =A0 * Bjarne Stroustrup, AT&T Labs, Texas = -A&M
=A0 =A0 * Michelle Strout, Colorado State = -University
=A0 =A0 * Matthias Troyer, ETH Zurich
=A0 = -=A0 * Todd Veldhuizen, University of Waterloo

In addition, the organizers = -will serve as program committee members,
with Jaakko J=89rvi = -and Josh Bloch as program co-chairs.

Primarily, the email = -address lcsd07@cs.tamu.edu = -should be used for
questions addressed to the = -organizers.

KEYNOTE = -ADDRESS

There = -will be an invited talk by Doug Lea, State University of = -New
York at Oswego. Doug Lea is the author of the book = -"Concurrent
Programming in Java", and co-author of the text = -"Object-Oriented
System Development". He is the author of = -several widely used software
packages and components, as well = -as articles, reports, and
standardization efforts dealing with = -object oriented software
development including those on = -specification, design and
implementation techniques, = -distributed, concurrent, and parallel
object systems, and = -software reusability.

SYMPOSIUM GOALS AND = -ACTIVITIES

The = -symposium is a scientific forum for presenting = -original
research in the design, implementation, and = -evaluation of software
libraries. Other major activities = -include the identification of open
questions specific to = -library research and the discussion of a
strategic plan for = -establishing library research as a field. The
outcome of the = -symposium is a combination of research contributions = -and
specific next steps for improving the infrastructure for = -library
research.

Participants are expected = -to read the accepted submissions beforehand.
The technical = -presentations, although based on the accepted papers,
should = -not provide mere summaries of the papers. Instead, authors = -are
encouraged to use their presentation slots (20 + 10 mins) = -to bring up
topics for discussion.

The technical presentations = -are mixed with scientific and
organizational discussions. The = -discussions aim at furthering the
topics of the presentations, = -thus their agenda will be publicly
discussed among the = -participants and then posted on the website of the
symposium. = -All participants are expected to come prepared with = -their
tentative answers or thoughts.

The full-day symposium = -starts with a keynote talk for the stimulation
of discussion = -and concludes with a plenary discussion that decides = -the
specific next steps for improving the infrastructure for = -library
research.

FOR MORE INFORMATION AND = -UPDATES please visit
the symposium's Web site, http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2007



______________________________________
Jeremy Siek = -<jeremy.siek@colorado.edu><= -/SPAN>
Visiting = -Assistant Professor
Department of Computer Science
University of Colorado at Boulder



 = -

= - ---Apple-Mail-51-560751565-- - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69i52q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Apr 2007 10:07:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16332,29 +13995,12 @@ create documentation and source only. Haven't we reached concensus yet? -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69i52q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9q3b34y9wn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Apr 2007 03:30:27 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -16379,29 +14025,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: I don't really know. You seem to be arguing all aspects. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69i52q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9q3b34y9wn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <871wioism4.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Apr 2007 11:26:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16455,17 +14084,10 @@ Hm, I believe I voted for: Well, I do not insist on (3). But (1) and (2) would be important to me. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:36:43 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: FW: summer of code Hi, yes, I am subsribed to both axiom lists, but I was just busy. I @@ -16564,22 +14186,11 @@ On 4/12/07, Bill Page wrote: > > The technical issues with those selected will be done later, don't > worry about it now. I'll be in touch. -> -> Ondrej -> -> -> -> - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:39:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd9+sL8PRstoBNOQZWZgiH0DAsQzwABf5Pg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: RE: FW: summer of code On April 13, 2007 2:37 PM Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -16625,23 +14236,11 @@ software development. So lets remain in touch as and when time permits. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:14:16 -0700 -From: "Scott Morrison" Scott Morrison +From: Scott Morrison To: list Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication - boundary="----=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288" - <87fy75n7kn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: - -------=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288 On 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -16680,28 +14279,10 @@ So that's the historical perspective. I apologize for leaving you guys with this overly complex mess. --- Scott Morrison - -------=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288 - -

On 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis <Gabriel Dos Reis> wrote:
-C Y <Cliff Yapp> writes:

| I do agree that threads are a more attractive way to implement the
| client-server setup when dealing with a strictly local copy of Axiom, -

If you agree with that, then you must agree with the over-engineering
characterization.  We have more uses of Axiom as local copy than we
have as a truly distributed system over network.  A 101 principle
-of engineering is to keep common thing simple.

Mea Culpa.

As the designer and developer of the overly complex socket communication system, I must take responsibility for this mess.  This system was originally implemented on IBM RT workstations running AIX in 1989.  In AIX there were no lightweight threads, so that really was not an option.  But the real motivation for using sockets was that we envisioned running HyperDoc  and Axiom on different machines.  In those days we had powerful mainframes and wimpy workstations.  Of course it was never really implemented to work that way, but the overly complex socket approach was never removed. -

There also would have been no HyperDoc if we'd done this a few years later.  At the time web browsers were non-existent.  I'd be in favor of dumping HyperDoc and implementing a browser interface, but I'm not going to do that, and I don't see it happening soon. -

I also did the socket interface to the graphics system for the same reason: we wanted to run things of different systems, and again it never happened.

So that's the historical perspective.

I apologize for leaving you guys with this overly complex mess. -

-- Scott Morrison

- -------=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288-- - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:33:03 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <00c601c77e03$6a06ca20$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: FW: summer of code > language for Axiom as part of the basic design. Even Sage has @@ -16755,17 +14336,11 @@ can be used immediatelly by SymPy or any other project. Yes. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:02:55 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: re: FW: summer of code - <85b5c3130704131733h1868c2b3tf39076fa98780b99@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -16786,18 +14361,10 @@ particular has a tendency to always push the bounds of what is possible. efficiency, but I think Axiom as a project is most likely going to devote a lot of attention to being (or remaining) fast. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:38:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd+LHdj7pAXwpDKR0SDGdf2I/OIkgADuolg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: RE: FW: summer of code [Warning: The following contains mostly philosophy and opinions. @@ -16909,19 +14476,11 @@ Sage and Google's summer of code all have a role to play even if that ends up by just getting more people interest in the main subject - computer algebra. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:23:06 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page Subject: re: FW: summer of code -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Bill Page wrote: @@ -17037,17 +14596,11 @@ beyond our own senses, we may find ourselves gazing into the depths of mathematics with mechanical tools more capable of recognizing correctness of large scale proofs than our own minds. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:58:46 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: FW: summer of code -Cc: axiom-dev I see. I am not interested in mathematics (for this there is Axiom), but just a basic symbolic manipulation and for this the algorithms are @@ -17171,12 +14724,6 @@ On 4/14/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: > beyond our own senses, we may find ourselves gazing into the depths of > mathematics with mechanical tools more capable of recognizing > correctness of large scale proofs than our own minds. -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) @@ -17187,35 +14734,21 @@ Subject: Book order link on front page is broken http://www.lulu.com/content/190827 just leads to "item not available." Did it get moved? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:30:06 -0500 -To: Cliff Yapp, list -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Book order link. http://www.lulu.com/content/190827 the link is fixed. thanks for the tip --t - - \start -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:31:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17233,21 +14766,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: It looks that you just re-did work on last file that I converted (I left non-bootstrap files as-is). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:01:32 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -17282,37 +14805,19 @@ There are more changes to come, but not before I find a more reliable network connection and ways to install autoconf-2.60 on mingw/msys. -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:38:34 -0500 -To: amca01@gmail.com -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: book order link The lulu.com book and the src/doc/bookvol1.pdf are the same file. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:12:14 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements -Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:12:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd+6N0UZKN2N5bQQEeJW6cLiGLJBQALO8qg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 14, 2007 7:02 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -17340,22 +14845,11 @@ Is there any particular reason you want to continue using the older version autoconf-2.60? (I think you can, but I haven't actually built 2.60 on MSYS/MinGW.) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:56:15 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements Quoting Bill Page: @@ -17404,25 +14898,11 @@ not tried that version yet. my three main linux boxes are running that version, -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:20:53 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:20:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd/RE9mOj88qWWKRkuB/m70PeEqaQATSxZQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 15, 2007 5:56 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -17501,21 +14981,11 @@ Let me know how it turns out. I recommend that we go to autoconf-2.61 for all Axiom builds. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:27:55 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -17613,25 +15083,11 @@ not well -- my Perl is not /bin/perl. As long as you prepare and commit all my patches, I'm fine with that. -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:51 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:51 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd/pO9UoJGBAeqcTSO5oZNRHtocxQADeQmQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 15, 2007 5:28 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -17768,21 +15224,11 @@ one where each developer chooses there own flavor and version of the basic tools ... I with draw my recommendation. Let's just all continue to do it our own way. ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:31:43 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -17952,27 +15398,11 @@ maintaining linux boxes, that include: I suspect you'd have much more effective impact at explaining me how automake-2.61 fare vis-a-vis the above three rules. - - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:28:22 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:28:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd/+UjmKWoLwRqnRNyh6Wp3XQYf0gAPPZQg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 16, 2007 3:32 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -18083,21 +15513,11 @@ If you think you need at least 2.60 what other choice do you have? If not revert the autoconf stuff to 2.59. (Waldek is still using 2.59 in wh-sandbox.) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:22:00 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -18253,23 +15673,12 @@ will find resources to get it happen. I'm done. > If not revert the autoconf stuff to 2.59. (Waldek is still using > 2.59 in wh-sandbox.) -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:08:42 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: comment > I could repeat almost word-for-word a similar statement by Tim @@ -18308,25 +15717,16 @@ made to work" but rather "why waste the time and space". Git is the best technical solution, thus I use git. To me, that's progress. -Tim - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:19:01 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:19:01 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceAQ11Pg64qbFCMSjOPYHTXkjfoBgAAmk4g -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: ->=20 +> > Quoting Bill Page: ->=20 +> > > On April 16, 2007 3:32 AM Gaby wrote: > > > >> @@ -18336,7 +15736,7 @@ On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: > > > > What do you mean that GCL does not work under cygwin? It works > > for me. You just can't compile it under cygwin. ->=20 +> > That means the same thing for me: If I cannot compile it under > cygwin, it does not work for me as far as Axiom development is > concerned. @@ -18345,7 +15745,7 @@ On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: Why not? It is not necessary to build gcl as part of the Axiom build - just install the windows binary for gcl, like other users Windows do. -=20 + > > > >> and I have been told on this list that windows people don't > >> care about GCL under cygwin. @@ -18354,7 +15754,7 @@ Windows do. > > cygwin. period. What it does is foreign to them plus it is a > > poor replacement for linux, if linux is what you really want. > > ->=20 +> > But, I do not mean linux. My impression is that you're > completely missing the picture by micro-focusing on linux vs. > non-linux environment and drawing misplaced conclusions @@ -18362,7 +15762,7 @@ Windows do. Yes, perhaps. Sorry. ->=20 +> > What I want is to have a reasonable development under windows > -- whether it is mingw or cygwin, I don't care much. The only > thing I care about is that the environment does not disrupt @@ -18370,18 +15770,18 @@ Yes, perhaps. Sorry. > MSYS/minGW works for me. -=20 + > >> I guess the fact that windows people on this list don't > >> help that much to make concrete forward progress is OK. > > > > I think that is typical. ->=20 +> > OK; I believe the logical conclusion for me is probably that > I drop any work on Axiom on windows. Your choice. ->=20 +> > Granted you can reproduce the problems, but the solution you > suggested did not work for me. I moved ActivePerl's path away > from /bin and /mingw/bin. @@ -18430,26 +15830,26 @@ then that seems very strange. It works for me. And if I rename /bin/perl to something else (and thereby use ActivePerl from windows), it fails that way you said it does for you. -> ...=20 +> ... > But I already have MSYS pre-packaged components from mingw.org! > So you are running "perl, v5.6.1 built for msys" or not? -=20 + > > Just because other people get away with using ActivePerl > > with minGW doesn't make it a "supported configuration" or good > > idea. ->=20 +> > Definitely, my reading of the mingw documentation from mingw > website is that ActivePerl is a "supported configuration". > But again, that point is moot by now. Even old Perl from > msys does not get me install Autoconf-2.60. > -> ...=20 +> ... > > > > MSYS is not a linux distro by any imagination but I think the > > same principle applies. ->=20 +> > Which implies that I should not even try your suggestion of > installing Autoconf-2.61 from a non-officially supported third > party. I don't think your statements are coherent. @@ -18459,7 +15859,7 @@ What choice do you have? If you want to abandon Windows development for build-improvements, fine, it's your choice. But would still try to encourage you to continue. ->=20 +> > Bill -- again, building Autoconf-2.60 does not work on the > "virgin" msys/mingw fails as an infinite loop. > @@ -18576,7 +15976,7 @@ make[2]: Entering directory = } >version.m4 make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/m4sugar' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'..'/lib AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='..'/lib AUTOM4TE_CFG='../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../bin/autom4te -B '..'/lib -B '..'/lib --language M4sh --cache = '' --melt ./autoconf.as -o autoconf.in @@ -18692,44 +16092,44 @@ make[2]: Leaving directory = Making all in m4sugar make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/m4sugar' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dm4sugar \ + --language=m4sugar \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dm4sugar.m4f -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' + --output=m4sugar.m4f +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dm4sh \ + --language=m4sh \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dm4sh.m4f + --output=m4sh.m4f make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/m4sugar' Making all in autoconf make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autoconf' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dautoconf \ + --language=autoconf \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dautoconf.m4f + --output=autoconf.m4f make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autoconf' Making all in autotest make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autotest' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dautotest \ + --language=autotest \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dautotest.m4f + --output=autotest.m4f make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autotest' Making all in autoscan @@ -18739,26 +16139,26 @@ echo '# Automatically Generated: do not edit this file' >autoscan.list sed '/^[#]/!q' ./autoscan.pre >>autoscan.list ( \ sed -n '/^[^#]/p' ./autoscan.pre; \ - autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' + autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib --cache '' -M = -l autoconf -t'AN_OUTPUT:$1: $2 $3' \ -) | LC_ALL=3DC sort >>autoscan.list +) | LC_ALL=C sort >>autoscan.list make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autoscan' Making all in emacs make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/emacs' WARNING: Warnings can be ignored. :-) -if test "no" !=3D no; then \ +if test "no" != no; then \ set x; \ - list=3D'autoconf-mode.el autotest-mode.el'; for p in $list; do \ - if test -f "$p"; then d=3D; else d=3D"./"; fi; \ + list='autoconf-mode.el autotest-mode.el'; for p in $list; do \ + if test -f "$p"; then d=; else d="./"; fi; \ set x "$@" "$d$p"; shift; \ done; \ shift; \ - EMACS=3D"no" /bin/sh ../../config/elisp-comp "$@" || exit 1; \ + EMACS="no" /bin/sh ../../config/elisp-comp "$@" || exit 1; \ else : ; fi make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/emacs' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib' @@ -18784,13 +16184,13 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/tests' --------- ->=20 +> > I move from Autoconf-2.5x to Autoconf-2.60 because: > (1) it does fix a bug, that turns out to be serious in later > development for Axiom (partly because of some bugs in Axiom). > (2) all my development machines have Autoconf-2.60 installed > (prepackages with the linux distribution). ->=20 +> > As I see this, I can the reasonable choice for me is to stop any > work related to Axiom on windows; that save me valuable time, and > probably spares me from unwarranted unhelpful characterizations @@ -18823,20 +16223,10 @@ someone else to do it). I'm sorry to hear that. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:28:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceASeI9iA/NGjABTTWnrGdrBmeS0AAEZAqw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: comment On April 16, 2007 1:09 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -18921,54 +16311,45 @@ the current situation. To me, progress occurs when we manage to cooperate and work smoothly together to achieve a common goal. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:43:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceAC7hltYLvDNjVSwSv2nwK8NxPywAUhe2A -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 16, 2007 5:44 AM Martin Rubey wrote: ->=20 -> I'm a little frustrated with work, so I started to mess=20 +> +> I'm a little frustrated with work, so I started to mess > around with mangling docstrings. ->=20 +> > unfortunately, Kai is not answering... But maybe you can > help. I'll try. ->=20 -> I need the following (please keep in mind that I know little=20 +> +> I need the following (please keep in mind that I know little > html, and nearly no javascript, so I really depend on you) Ok. ->=20 +> > I would like to communicate between a browser and axiom. > More precisely, I would like to send a single command like ->=20 +> > getHtmlDocumentation("stretch") ->=20 -> from the browser to axiom, and present the result in the=20 +> +> from the browser to axiom, and present the result in the > browser, maybe in a separate frame, but that's probably a > detail. The result will be a (long) string containing html code, > like: > ... > (possibly I can modify tex4ht output a little in order to make > it more concise...) ->=20 -> I know of the email=20 ->=20 +> +> I know of the email +> > = http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-04/msg00141.htm= l @@ -19005,21 +16386,14 @@ it would then permit us to run MathAction on Windows as one option for user interface to Axiom with browser support similar to hyperdoc. (This is possible now under linux). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Apr 2007 21:49:19 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Another alternative would be to write a script in Python or Perl which > prepares the input from the browser, starts Axiom, runs the input, collects @@ -19036,28 +16410,18 @@ This stuff should run without administrator or root privileges. It's just to show that it works. More elegant solutions can be implemented by those who know later. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:56:38 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: > On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: ->> =20 +>> >> Quoting Bill Page: ->> =20 +>> >> > On April 16, 2007 3:32 AM Gaby wrote: >> > >> >> @@ -19067,7 +16431,7 @@ Quoting Bill Page: >> > >> > What do you mean that GCL does not work under cygwin? It works >> > for me. You just can't compile it under cygwin. ->> =20 +>> >> That means the same thing for me: If I cannot compile it under >> cygwin, it does not work for me as far as Axiom development is >> concerned. @@ -19102,7 +16466,7 @@ Quoting Bill Page: [...] ->> =20 +>> >> What I want is to have a reasonable development under windows >> -- whether it is mingw or cygwin, I don't care much. The only >> thing I care about is that the environment does not disrupt @@ -19115,12 +16479,12 @@ yes, I believed you. The trouble is that it is not working for me at the moment. So, the fact that it works for you is good, but at moment it does not help me make forward progress. -> =20 +> >> >> I guess the fact that windows people on this list don't >> >> help that much to make concrete forward progress is OK. >> > >> > I think that is typical. ->> =20 +>> >> OK; I believe the logical conclusion for me is probably that >> I drop any work on Axiom on windows. > @@ -19131,7 +16495,7 @@ Indeed. If I had infinite amount of time, I may continue this infinite argumentation either. > ->> =20 +>> >> Granted you can reproduce the problems, but the solution you >> suggested did not work for me. I moved ActivePerl's path away >> from /bin and /mingw/bin. @@ -19179,7 +16543,7 @@ set up. If you can't trust me, you can't help me :-) > ->> ...=20 +>> ... >> But I already have MSYS pre-packaged components from mingw.org! >> > @@ -19191,7 +16555,7 @@ yes -- if that was not clear, yes, yes, yes, yes. >> > >> > MSYS is not a linux distro by any imagination but I think the >> > same principle applies. ->> =20 +>> >> Which implies that I should not even try your suggestion of >> installing Autoconf-2.61 from a non-officially supported third >> party. I don't think your statements are coherent. @@ -19211,7 +16575,7 @@ But, I'm sure there people on this list that can sort this out, so my not working anymore on windows+axiom is not a big deal. > ->> =20 +>> >> Bill -- again, building Autoconf-2.60 does not work on the >> "virgin" msys/mingw fails as an infinite loop. >> @@ -19246,13 +16610,13 @@ to effectively stop the build, except killing the msys shell itself. > ->> =20 +>> >> I move from Autoconf-2.5x to Autoconf-2.60 because: >> (1) it does fix a bug, that turns out to be serious in later >> development for Axiom (partly because of some bugs in Axiom). >> (2) all my development machines have Autoconf-2.60 installed >> (prepackages with the linux distribution). ->> =20 +>> >> As I see this, I can the reasonable choice for me is to stop any >> work related to Axiom on windows; that save me valuable time, and >> probably spares me from unwarranted unhelpful characterizations @@ -19298,21 +16662,10 @@ I was hoping to make it better, but I faced issues and I did not find the kind of resources that would help me make progress. I do hope someone in this community has better chance that I. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:03:37 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - Alfredo Portes, - Martin Rubey -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes, Martin Rubey Subject: browser > Another alternative would be to write a script in Python or @@ -19323,18 +16676,11 @@ Subject: browser Jose already has this working in Doyen. I'm sure he could help. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:52:04 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:52:04 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceAguDclMphPHWdTKO9wJS7OGI2aAAITLKg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 16, 2007 7:57 PM Gaby wrote: > ... @@ -19410,18 +16756,10 @@ any problem. Stunned. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:11:15 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: NE with bootsys (build-improvements) Hello, @@ -19451,18 +16789,10 @@ make && make install the file /home/greg/axiom.bi.debug/bin is the axiom script (and not a directory). -Greg - - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:17:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: +To: list Subject: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant The function testInterpolant in guessing package has the following @@ -19487,18 +16817,10 @@ types are identical. BTW: I found the problem because generated Lisp also have duplicate argument and SBCL chokes on it (GCL did not complain). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Apr 2007 06:53:34 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -19531,17 +16853,10 @@ other typos) within two hours or so. Does this mean that you have axiom with sbcl running? - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:44:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -19586,18 +16901,12 @@ build. I did not try any serous tests yet, so I expect a lot more problems. And to have fully functional Axiom we need mere code (especially sockets). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:59:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Why not? It is not necessary to build gcl as part of the Axiom @@ -19614,22 +16923,12 @@ installation (the gcl readme claims that on Windows gcl need a specific, rather old Mingw version -- for me downgrading Mingw is not an option)? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:35:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceBoEXZqlMr4aFwS6CLyCX15WbRyQAM/GhQ -Cc: Camm Maguire, - 'axiom-dev' , gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements +Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis On April 18, 2007 6:00 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -19681,21 +16980,12 @@ to compile object code. I think a similar binary installer for GCL should include these same parts of MinGW so that the GCL installation will be complete and fully functional. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:32:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceBniBLdbcc2y0CQxWU4p4GP0jujQAasMqQ -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Axiom sockets in SPAD +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 18, 2007 5:44 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -19718,13 +17008,6 @@ discussed recently by Martin. I would be very interested in any help and advice you can give me on how to make this work. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -19917,14 +17200,11 @@ KQo= --0-1783017166-1176954120=:28034-- - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:55:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... > I have been attempting to generalize Waldek's finite state machine > using macros, and have essentially run up against the limits of my tiny @@ -19975,20 +17255,11 @@ could write: and the macros would automatically generate intermediate states. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -20022,22 +17293,12 @@ accidentally introduce any performance hits. That's what I'm trying to achieve. I guess I need to think more about how to set up the macros. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: list Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:07:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire +To: list Subject: Issue 330. +Cc: Camm Maguire Issue 330 just happened to me -- working in Axiom I left gazonk0.fn file. Later working as another user I got failures because this @@ -20078,7 +17339,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:11:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , + Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -20132,22 +17393,12 @@ and line number (as two separate arguments). In such case we probably should provide a few example editors -- that is shell functions which call say emacs, vi, maybe kdvi. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements -From: Martin Rubey Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:29:23 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -20396,18 +17647,12 @@ fi \end{document} - - - \start Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:44:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox - and build-improvements - <9qirbro65o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch > For kdvi, the case is a little more complicated, but not too much: most > importantly, we would need to find the right file number in the spad.tex file, @@ -20430,18 +17675,10 @@ and a good naming scheme for the .pamphlet - .tex relation. I could convince the current maintainer of srcltx.sty to include an appropriate hook for filename translation into srcltx.sty version 1.6. -All the best -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:03:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5X9g7Wpr2x2QDQMefVsRka1v+7AJVxHZA -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Building GCL and Axiom on Nexenta OpenSolaris On April 7, 2007 5:58 PM C Y wrote: @@ -20489,24 +17726,16 @@ I particularlly like the integration of the Debian work-a-like Performance under Microsoft Virtual PC on my AMD 4200+ dual core machine is quite fast. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -From: Camm Maguire Date: 20 Apr 2007 12:14:43 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On April 18, 2007 6:00 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > @@ -20611,29 +17840,12 @@ individual with interest. How big will this be? Who can tell me exactly what that means in terms of files shipped? -Take care, - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Dear Bill, Kai! @@ -20657,63 +17869,31 @@ I got it actually to work. I have two problems, though: And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? - -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qmz12f9qk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:56:27 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Kai Kaminski +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Martin Rubey writes: > I got it actually to work. I have two problems, though: -> -> * The stuff I write after "http://localhost:8085" is received by foo in -> all-uppercase always, but I need to preserve case. Is there a case -> preserving character as "|" in lisp? - -oh, the case preserving character is "|"! Remains: - -> * How can I close the socket? -> -> And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? -> -> -> Many thanks, -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - +> +> * The stuff I write after "http://localhost:8085" is received by foo in +> all-uppercase always, but I need to preserve case. Is there a case +> preserving character as "|" in lisp? +oh, the case preserving character is "|"! Remains: + +> * How can I close the socket? +> +> And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qmz12f9qk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qirbq40us.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 10:03:08 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Kai Kaminski +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Sorry, yet another question: How do I have to modify foo @@ -20736,36 +17916,12 @@ and I want the browser to display that page. > > > > And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? -Many thanks, - -Martin - -> > -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:24:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceD6YxuiKc5o7wxR6anPVbiCBEHsAAEwBvw -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 3:49 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -20809,21 +17965,12 @@ to build Axiom on Windows using build-improvements or by subsituting gcl-2.6.7pre into the source code from the axiom--windows--1 tla archive. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:14:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceD64EcaqU/NEB5RPajugszg95qYAAE9HSw -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 4:03 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -20889,22 +18036,12 @@ the server. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:15:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceD64EcaqU/NEB5RPajugszg95qYAAE9HSwAATmAuA= -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 7:14 AM I wrote: > @@ -21032,21 +18169,14 @@ With this simple approach I think it should be quite easy to implement the HyperDoc functionaliy using a standard web browser. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 16:20:26 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Oh ... Now that I have had a cup of coffee and woken up a > little, [...censored...] @@ -21101,19 +18231,12 @@ localhost:8080/stretch.html or some such. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 16:43:48 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21144,21 +18267,12 @@ The second thing is to send which is a nuisance. Isn't there a way to make it read just the local directory? Oh well, maybe its even better that way. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 16:57:46 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21193,20 +18307,12 @@ Got / The other variant works fine, however is quite useless for my purpose. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhhbwr9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 17:20:21 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21237,21 +18343,12 @@ A typo: Is the problem that "Location:" expects a http: specification? I'm quite clueless... -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhhbwr9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qzm51ycsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 17:45:26 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski There appear to be at least two different errors in the code below. @@ -21298,16 +18395,11 @@ Martin \start +Date: 21 Apr 2007 19:01:17 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhhbwr9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qzm51ycsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qejmdbujt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 21 Apr 2007 19:01:17 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski Dear http experts, @@ -21324,27 +18416,19 @@ now works with lynx, but gives the acces denied message in konqueror. :-( I do not have any other browser to try, and I really want it to work with konqueror anyway. Whom could I ask? - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:05:01 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceELBY+FbSLssCdRRS+VyKXkTuXiwAAIibg -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin, On April 21, 2007 11:45 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > There appear to be at least two different errors in the code below. ->=20 +> > (defun server (s) > (let* ((get (read s nil 'eof)) > (fn (and (eq get 'get) (read s nil 'eof)))) @@ -21353,11 +18437,11 @@ On April 21, 2007 11:45 AM you wrote: > (format s "Location: > file:/users/rubey/martin/Axiom/hyperdoc-replacement/stretch.html~%") > (close s))) ->=20 +> > gives ->=20 +> > An error occurred while loading http://localhost:8080/x: -> Access denied to=20 +> Access denied to > file:///users/rubey/martin/Axiom/hyperdoc-replacement/stretch.html. Don't be too easily discouraged. Because it is a communications @@ -21385,7 +18469,7 @@ file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator.ASUS/My%20Documents/2= Notice that the drive letter C: is the first thing after /// and also that spaces must be converted to %20 codes. ->=20 +> > (defun server (s) > (let* ((get (read s nil 'eof)) > (fn (and (eq get 'get) (read s nil 'eof)))) @@ -21393,12 +18477,12 @@ and also that spaces must be converted to %20 codes. > (format s "HTTP/1.1 ~S~%" (if fn 303 403)) > (format s "Location: http://mat.univie.ac.at") > (close s))) ->=20 +> > seems to work > Great. -=20 + > (defun server (s) > (let* ((get (read s nil 'eof)) > (fn (and (eq get 'get) (read s nil 'eof)))) @@ -21406,11 +18490,11 @@ Great. > (format s "HTTP/1.1 ~S~%" (if fn 303 403)) > (format s "Location: ~S~% "http://mat.univie.ac.at") > (close s))) ->=20 +> > gives "Got /" forever. ->=20 +> > Please Help! ->=20 +> That's a syntax error. The string "Location: ~S~%" is a format. ~S is replaced with a string, ~% is replaced with @@ -21435,21 +18519,14 @@ where t stands for the constand "true" and represents the 'standard out' stream. I recommend you test the format first with t and later change it to s. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 19:23:30 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > An error occurred while loading http://localhost:8080/x: @@ -21488,18 +18565,12 @@ Yes. But the syntax error happened while pasting into my mail window. Sorry about that. It still won't work. But I guess, I will be able to solve that one. The other one is a show-stopper, though. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:30:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +Cc: Kai Kaminski > Yes, that's the idea. In fact, I also want to do some caching, since tex4ht is > rather slow: every function has - by design of axiom - a unique identifier, @@ -21511,18 +18582,12 @@ also think of something like DomA: with {foo: Integer -> %} == add ... -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:02:41 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceEOclivgvQymxbT6iSSwxu5eTlGgAAnZaw -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin, @@ -21576,21 +18641,14 @@ http://kb.mozillazine.org/Links_to_local_pages_do_not_work And Konqueror is supposed to just give a warning. Did you see that? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 21:37:56 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Or we could just add a couple of extra lisp commands to open > and send the contents of the file ourselves. @@ -21672,23 +18730,16 @@ with security settings. The "small" webservers, can they be installed without being root? -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:04:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceETJEYiPv0c512Sgy+9yj3qSJrIwAASK6g -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 3:38 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Or we could just add a couple of extra lisp commands to > > open and send the contents of the file ourselves. @@ -21824,19 +18875,12 @@ Agreed. Yes, so long as you assign a non-standard port number >1024 and don't have an aggressive firewall policy. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 22:52:30 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Dear all, @@ -21877,20 +18921,11 @@ I hope that some of you not occupied with more important things -- like working on build improvements, waldek sandbox, trunk, or multisort species :-) -- chime in, -Martin - - - - \start -To: list, -Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Jay Belanger - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:00:02 -0500 - of "21 Apr 2007 22\:52\:30 +0200") -Cc: - +From: Jay Belanger +To: list +Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21904,21 +18939,12 @@ For knuckledraggers such as myself, could some more detail on how to start this be added to the page? How should I load the lisp code, for example? How should the spad code be loaded? -Thanks, -Jay - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:04:03 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' - -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------050202030902080207010205 +Cc: Kai Kaminski Hi Martin, @@ -22401,15 +19427,11 @@ Dbbs+aqcRGCXeBFm3z4slcJyD9M0h253iSK56UOHMBx7XOheUdj3xqjF3DHVHXW0OcuOq8oa 6F67AJABAA== --------------050202030902080207010205-- - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:09:23 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> -Cc: list On 4/21/07, Jay Belanger wrote: @@ -22423,18 +19445,11 @@ On 4/21/07, Jay Belanger wrote: Yes, please Martin or Bill. -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:26:03 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:26:03 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -22481,17 +19496,12 @@ Martin (added also to the page) - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:48:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:48:00 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +Cc: Kai Kaminski Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -22554,20 +19564,11 @@ By the way caching, I forgot one ToDo which is quite straightforward: You fall into the "occupied with more important things" category anyway. :-) (just kidding, don't take this serious) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:14:43 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Thank you Martin. @@ -22600,22 +19601,11 @@ This is what I get when doing the last step: protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 08:33:57 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 08:33:57 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: > I know you wanted to test this on Windows also. I do not know if you @@ -22638,22 +19628,11 @@ No, I do not have a Windows box. Oh dear. Bill, PLEASE help! Does GREP refer to the unix grep, maybe? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:47:02 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qwt04or3e.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list > > (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) > > Loading /Documents and Settings/alfredo/hyper/HYPER.NRLIB/code for @@ -22672,24 +19651,11 @@ I was thinking the same, but I have a port of grep on my path and I still get the error. Maybe Bill knows if I am missing something. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 09:14:30 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qwt04or3e.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 09:14:30 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -22714,24 +19680,11 @@ with "binomial.html" Type: String If this succeeds, then the problem is in the lisp code. Otherwise, we have a problem in the spad code. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:38:59 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qwt04or3e.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qmz10khih.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list > Alfredo, could you please try > @@ -22752,13 +19705,10 @@ Same error: protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) - - \start -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:13:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -22790,18 +19740,10 @@ calls grep, but apparently Alfredo has $standard set to nil, which means that Axiom is trying to use Windows Saturn interface (and part of it is removed). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:56:38 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Please join! Hi Waldek, @@ -22816,15 +19758,12 @@ Thank you for the detective work. I am using the windows version of axiom. Is there any work around? or should I try to compile build-improvements in windows? - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:01:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +Cc: Kai Kaminski This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020909070803070901090904 @@ -22949,18 +19888,12 @@ Ralf --------------020909070803070901090904-- - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:11:01 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462B3275.2000603@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski > Currently I have only Internet access via Windows and all my work lives > in the Linux partition. If somebody tells me how to access the Linux @@ -22970,15 +19903,10 @@ Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , list I think this could work for you: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs, if your partitions are ext2 or ext3. -Alfredo - - - \start -To: Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:47:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -23000,25 +19928,12 @@ You could try: )lisp (setf |$standard| 't) )lisp (setf |$saturn| 'nil) - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:15:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462B3275.2000603@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - -Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski Alfredo Portes wrote: >> Currently I have only Internet access via Windows and all my work lives @@ -23032,18 +19947,10 @@ Alfredo Portes wrote: Wonderful. Thank's a lot. -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:19:03 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - Martin Rubey - -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! > You could try: @@ -23068,18 +19975,10 @@ I look at the spad code: but I do not know what ops.eq.(doc::Symbol) should had returned. -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:26:39 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - Martin Rubey - - -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! I should also point out that I got this the first time I ran the command: @@ -23110,20 +20009,12 @@ On 4/22/07, Alfredo Portes wrote: > then "error.html" > > but I do not know what ops.eq.(doc::Symbol) should had returned. -> -> Alfredo -> - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:32:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceEy6tEIv5NWtHqTiKvCux6/XCjNwAJyHMg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 6:48 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -23152,21 +20043,11 @@ about what you mean by "Windows Saturn interface"? What is Saturn? Plus, assuming I did not know the answer, how would I find out from the Axiom documentation and source code? -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: re: Please join! -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:06:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Please join! Bill Page wrote: > On April 22, 2007 6:48 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -23217,19 +20098,10 @@ But to find out more (and what I wrote is almost all that I know about Saturn) you need to read this mailing list (Saturn were mentioned few times during user interface discussions). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:44:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceE+C1LCRdQ3+tESP+Am59hQ06l3QAAODIg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Saturn and Windows (was: Please join!) On April 22, 2007 12:06 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -23337,22 +20209,10 @@ included by default in the Unix build. It modified the Lisp commands kSearch, cSearch, dSearch etc. to produce TeX output with embeded hyperlinks." ------ - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Alfredo Portes - - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Apr 2007 19:46:45 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! Dear Alfredo, @@ -23373,20 +20233,10 @@ should return a list of docstrings for the various implementations of binomial. Anybody knows which version is the most windows friendly to support this? DOes it work in build-improvements or in patch-50? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:02:29 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - Martin Rubey - - - <9qfy6spaii.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! > it seems that your axiom is too old. I remember that database access was also @@ -23401,20 +20251,11 @@ Is Waldek branch able to compile in Windows or is it missing anything significant from build-improvements to achieve this? -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:11:37 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFCGhVNm189N++R/G91hbQzBWMSAAANL2w -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 2:02 PM Alfredo Portes @@ -23440,18 +20281,10 @@ this test? It is not possible (yet) to compile wh-sandbox on Windows. I am working on it. Any help would be appreciated. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Apr 2007 20:23:47 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Versions with database support I just checked. On Linux, @@ -23477,19 +20310,11 @@ seems to work I write "seems", since I do not have a reliable set of axiom versions. These are just the versions which happen to be on my harddisk, except the first one. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:47:01 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Please join! - <008901c78509$af225090$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list Hi Bill, @@ -23507,20 +20332,11 @@ In http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries it says version 0.1.4. Anything I can do to help just let me know. Martin just emailed that build-improvements seems to have browsing the databases working. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:00:15 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFDp39qXI6jFRMSceyqA1Sw9WnoQAAY42A -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Please join! Alfredo, @@ -23550,20 +20366,11 @@ As you can see that version REALY old... A good first step would be to re-compile a new version of Axiom for Windows using the build-improvements sources. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:23:03 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Please join! - <008e01c78510$7cfee900$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list Bill, @@ -23576,16 +20383,11 @@ What else do I need before I try to compile it. How would it affect that build-improvements do not compile noweb anymore (hope I am correct about that last statement), do i need to install it manually? -Alfredo - - - \start -Subject: re: Please join! -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:29:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Please join! Bill Page wrote: > On April 22, 2007 2:02 PM Alfredo Portes @@ -23937,23 +20739,12 @@ Index: src/etc/ChangeLog.build-improvements * asq.c.pamphlet: Include axiom-c-macros.h. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:31:35 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462B3275.2000603@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Currently I have only Internet access via Windows and all my work lives in @@ -23963,18 +20754,11 @@ On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: If your Linux partition is ext2 or ext3, use http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ -Andrey - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:39:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFHAkBvoDYn/L1TUOj1sAFxGhcOQAAcTDg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Please join! Alfredo, @@ -24005,20 +20789,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSilverBranch You can use the version of gcl that is in build-improvements but you must now install noweb your self. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Apr 2007 23:26:45 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: htlatex and links Dear Ralf, @@ -24042,21 +20816,11 @@ Is there an easy way to accomplish this? I would like to avoid having to replace all "bad" characters like $ and ` with others, but I realize that, in fact, that's what you advised me to do anyway. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:15:51 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Please join! - <00a501c7851e$4ff72ae0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list Bill, Gaby @@ -24076,20 +20840,11 @@ make[1]: *** [unixport/saved_pre_gcl] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/e/axiom/gcl' make: *** [build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/gcl.exe] Error 2 -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:40:16 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFK8najCW6IztGSeGzrJ3tuZFNKAAAZ5dg -Cc: list - +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 6:16 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -24168,29 +20923,12 @@ On my system I used the above procedure to put gcl in /usr/local/bin because I am also working with wh-sandbox which does not include even gcl. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:36:28 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C78515.882286C0" -Thread-Index: AceFNwwvxEJ+lruLT0KK6zqrEBnG+A== -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C78515.882286C0 - charset="us-ascii" - Gaby, In my email: @@ -24239,9 +20977,9 @@ Bill Page. filename="windows-mike.patch" Index: src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -1246,7 +1246,7 @@=0A= @@ -24254,9 +20992,9 @@ Index: src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet=0A= =0A= ;; rewrite this so it works in mnt=0A= Index: src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@=0A= @@ -24282,9 +21020,9 @@ Index: src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet=0A= (if (equal (libstream-mode rstream) 'output) (error "not input = stream"))=0A= Index: src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -92,7 +92,7 @@=0A= @@ -24334,9 +21072,9 @@ VMLISP::|union|=0A= (lisp:import '(vmlisp::make-input-filename))=0A= (lisp:import '(vmlisp::libstream-dirname))=0A= Index: src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -147,8 +147,8 @@=0A= @@ -24369,9 +21107,9 @@ outname))=0A= =0A= (defun |pathname| (p)=0A= Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -49,11 +49,14 @@=0A= @@ -24404,11 +21142,11 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= {=0A= char *path, *newpath;=0A= @@ -91,7 +100,7 @@=0A= - if (newpath =3D=3D NULL)=0A= + if (newpath == NULL)=0A= return -1;=0A= =0A= -- sprintf(newpath, "PATH=3D%s:%s", path, dir);=0A= -+ sprintf(newpath, "PATH=3D%s;%s", path, dir); /* MSYS/MinGW ??? */=0A= +- sprintf(newpath, "PATH=%s:%s", path, dir);=0A= ++ sprintf(newpath, "PATH=%s;%s", path, dir); /* MSYS/MinGW ??? */=0A= =0A= return putenv(newpath);=0A= }=0A= @@ -24416,16 +21154,16 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= directoryp(char *path)=0A= {=0A= struct stat buf;=0A= -- int code =3D stat(path, &buf);=0A= +- int code = stat(path, &buf);=0A= + int code;=0A= =0A= -- return code =3D=3D -1 ? -1 : S_ISDIR(buf.st_mode);=0A= -+ code =3D stat(path, &buf);=0A= -+ if (code =3D=3D -1) {=0A= +- return code == -1 ? -1 : S_ISDIR(buf.st_mode);=0A= ++ code = stat(path, &buf);=0A= ++ if (code == -1) {=0A= + return (-1);=0A= + }=0A= + else {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IFDIR) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IFDIR) != 0);=0A= + }=0A= }=0A= =0A= @@ -24445,44 +21183,44 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= int =0A= make_path_from_file(char *s, char *t)=0A= {=0A= -- char *pos =3D "";=0A= -+ char *pos =3D NULL;=0A= +- char *pos = "";=0A= ++ char *pos = NULL;=0A= char *c;=0A= =0A= /** simply copies the path name from t into s **/=0A= - for (c =3D t + strlen(t); c !=3D s; c--)=0A= -- if (*c =3D=3D '/') {=0A= -+ if ( ( *c =3D=3D '/' ) || ( *c =3D=3D '\\' ) ) {=0A= - pos =3D c;=0A= + for (c = t + strlen(t); c != s; c--)=0A= +- if (*c == '/') {=0A= ++ if ( ( *c == '/' ) || ( *c == '\\' ) ) {=0A= + pos = c;=0A= break;=0A= }=0A= @@ -202,22 +230,28 @@=0A= - if (code =3D=3D -1) {=0A= + if (code == -1) {=0A= /** The file does not exist, so check to see=0A= if the directory is writable *****/=0A= -- if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) =3D=3D -1=0A= -- || stat(newpath, &buf) =3D=3D -1)=0A= +- if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) == -1=0A= +- || stat(newpath, &buf) == -1)=0A= - return -1;=0A= -=0A= - return 2 * axiom_has_write_access(&buf);=0A= -+ if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) =3D=3D -1 ||=0A= -+ stat(newpath, &buf) =3D=3D -1) {=0A= ++ if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) == -1 ||=0A= ++ stat(newpath, &buf) == -1) {=0A= + return (-1);=0A= + }=0A= }=0A= -=0A= - return axiom_has_write_access(&buf);=0A= -+ else if (geteuid() =3D=3D buf.st_uid) {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWUSR) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) {=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWUSR) != 0);=0A= +#ifdef S_IWGRP=0A= + }=0A= -+ else if (getegid() =3D=3D buf.st_gid) {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWGRP) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) {=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWGRP) != 0);=0A= +#endif=0A= +#ifdef S_IWOTH=0A= + }=0A= + else {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWOTH) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWOTH) != 0);=0A= +#endif=0A= + };=0A= + return ( 1 ); /* MSYS/MinGW */=0A= @@ -24500,29 +21238,29 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= @@ -225,26 +259,26 @@=0A= int code;=0A= =0A= - code =3D stat(path, &buf);=0A= -- if (code =3D=3D -1)=0A= + code = stat(path, &buf);=0A= +- if (code == -1)=0A= - return -1;=0A= -=0A= -- if (geteuid() =3D=3D buf.st_uid) =0A= -+ if (code =3D=3D -1) {=0A= +- if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) =0A= ++ if (code == -1) {=0A= + return (-1);=0A= + }=0A= -+ else if (geteuid() =3D=3D buf.st_uid) {=0A= - return ((buf.st_mode & S_IREAD) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) {=0A= + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IREAD) != 0);=0A= -=0A= -#ifdef S_IRGRP =0A= -- if (getegid() =3D=3D buf.st_gid) =0A= +- if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) =0A= +#ifdef S_IRGRP=0A= + }=0A= -+ else if (getegid() =3D=3D buf.st_gid) {=0A= - return ((buf.st_mode & S_IRGRP) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) {=0A= + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IRGRP) != 0);=0A= #endif=0A= -=0A= #ifdef S_IROTH=0A= + }=0A= + else {=0A= - return ((buf.st_mode & S_IROTH) !=3D 0);=0A= + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IROTH) != 0);=0A= -#else=0A= - return 0;=0A= #endif=0A= @@ -24538,18 +21276,11 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C78515.882286C0-- - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:32:04 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFHPKntTOuUjqST0ukyP2jaez9rAARzunQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 4:29 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -24820,7 +21551,7 @@ Index: ChangeLog.wh + 2007-04-21 Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis - Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga + Humberto Zuazaga Index: config/var-def.mk =================================================================== --- config/var-def.mk (revision 512) @@ -24924,22 +21655,12 @@ Index: configure.ac.pamphlet [touch], [AC_MSG_ERROR(['touch' program is missing.])]) AC_CHECK_PROGS([MKTEMP], [mktemp]) ------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 23 Apr 2007 10:38:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: htlatex and links -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Apr 2007 10:38:00 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Dear all, @@ -24959,19 +21680,11 @@ should also work well on windows. I was thinking of creating an md5 checksum and use that, but it appears suboptimal to me, since it is not really bijective and looks too complicated. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:56:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: htlatex and links - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Martin, look into ALLPROSE. Compile a .dvi File and then hover over a link in the Exports part of a type. @@ -25018,17 +21731,11 @@ On 04/23/2007 10:38 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: Why do you need bijectivity at all? All you want is a cache, right? So md5 seems OK to me. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:08:49 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: htlatex and links - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:08:49 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -25059,18 +21766,10 @@ more flexible. I would have thought that gzip -c | somesimpleencoder would be ideal for that purpose. But I couldn't find any encoder that uses only letters and digits. -Martin - - - - \start -Cc: axiom-dev - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> - <9qps5vxxsu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:20:15 +0200 -Posted-To: comp.lang.lisp +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Base32 encoder needed The following message is a courtesy copy of an article @@ -25080,51 +21779,30 @@ Dear all, finally I know what I want: a base32 encoder. Anybody has one available? -thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> - <9qps5vxxsu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qy7kj8n1s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:30:27 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed Ralf, could you teach me how to use -http://search.cpan.org/dist/MIME-Base32/Base32.pm - -I want to do something like - -echo "binomial`(_$,_$)->_$`OutputForm" | gzip -c | base32 - - -Well, additionally I have the problem that I somehow need to get this into a -string variable within axiom. - - - - -Many thanks, +http://search.cpan.org/dist/MIME-Base32/Base32.pm -Martin +I want to do something like +echo "binomial`(_$,_$)->_$`OutputForm" | gzip -c | base32 +Well, additionally I have the problem that I somehow need to get this into a +string variable within axiom. \start -To: list Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:39:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: wh-sandbox As of revision 513 wh-sandbox should build both with CLtL1 gcl @@ -25138,20 +21816,11 @@ but there are problems in some tests and some changes does not look good. I commited most of obvious fixes to 513, but the rest will take some time. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:41:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: htlatex and links - <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> - <9qps5vxxsu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev On 04/23/2007 11:08 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -25192,14 +21861,10 @@ somesimpleencoder = base64encoder http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64 -Ralf - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Apr 2007 13:07:57 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: HyperDoc replacement Dear all, @@ -25232,20 +21897,10 @@ la \spadfun and \spad) and maybe I will add support to search for Constructors. Waldek, do you know how I get the lists of attributes, uses, users and dependents? - - -Hope this leads somewhere, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:29:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -25268,19 +21923,11 @@ I did not receive a new version from you. But since you say that obvious patch is OK in revision 513 I just removed the second copy of the argument. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev - +Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed I don't know if this is what you're after (plus, it's GPL) but there is this: @@ -25296,34 +21943,12 @@ http://darcs.informatimago.com/darcs/public/lisp/common-lisp/rfc3548.lisp > > finally I know what I want: a base32 encoder. Anybody has one > available? -> -> thanks, -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: wh-sandbox -To: Waldek Hebisch, list -Cc: - EXCELLENT news! Very impressive work. @@ -25334,8 +21959,6 @@ correctly. Thanks for all your efforts! -CY - --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: > As of revision 513 wh-sandbox should build both with CLtL1 gcl @@ -25348,32 +21971,12 @@ CY > but there are problems in some tests and some changes does not > look good. I commited most of obvious fixes to 513, but the > rest will take some time. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - \start +Date: 23 Apr 2007 14:46:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Apr 2007 14:46:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -25417,17 +22020,11 @@ instead. And of course, the proper way would be to write a tiny wrapper package for rfc3548.lisp and another one for gzip-stream, but I'm not going to do it. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:34:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox CY wrote: > A question - is there a configure option at the Axiom toplevel to build @@ -25439,18 +22036,12 @@ CY wrote: ANSI GCL must be installed externally, use --with-lisp=/path/to/lisp configure option to choose which Lisp is used for build. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:38:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Gaby, > @@ -25518,18 +22109,11 @@ Changes to src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet look backwards: the final "return 1;" statement (which effectivly disables permission checking on Windows). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:51:32 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: ANSI GCL build success confirmed -Cc: list Confirmed on Gentoo Linux with latest checkouts: @@ -25553,15 +22137,11 @@ Temporary directory for compiler files set to /tmp/ (1) -> - - - \start -Subject: Re: ANSI GCL build success confirmed -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:41:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: ANSI GCL build success confirmed C Y wrote: > Confirmed on Gentoo Linux with latest checkouts: @@ -25569,26 +22149,10 @@ C Y wrote: Good. Thanks for trying. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:01:51 -0400 From: Jacques Carette -To: list, "'aldor-l'" , - Haskell Cafe , OCaml , - epigram@durham.ac.uk, - felix-language , - metaocaml-hackers-l@cs.rice.edu, om@openmath.org - Antispam-Data: 2007.4.25.64733 - __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, - __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, - __STOCK_PHRASE_7 0, __USER_AGENT 0' - sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca id l3PE3tY5020353 -Cc: +To: list Subject: Programming Languages and Mechanised Mathematics -- deadline extension @@ -25601,19 +22165,19 @@ As part of Calculemus 2007 Hagenbergs, Austria June 29-30, 2007. -The intent of this workshop is to examine more closely the intersection=20 +The intent of this workshop is to examine more closely the intersection between programming languages and mechanized mathematics systems (MMS). By MMS, w= e understand computer algebra systems (CAS), [automated] theorem provers (TP/ATP), all heading towards the development of fully unified systems (t= he -MMS), sometimes also called universal mathematical assistant systems=20 +MMS), sometimes also called universal mathematical assistant systems (MAS) (see Calculemus 2007 ). -There are various ways in which these two subjects of /programming=20 +There are various ways in which these two subjects of /programming languages/ and /systems for mathematics/ meet: * Many systems for mathematics contain a dedicated programming @@ -25661,38 +22225,38 @@ These issues have a very colourful history. Many programming language innovations first appeared in either CASes or Proof Assistants, before migrating towards more mainstream languages. One can cite (in no particul= ar -order) type inference, dependent types, generics, term-rewriting,=20 +order) type inference, dependent types, generics, term-rewriting, first-class types, first-class expressions, first-class modules, code extraction, and= so -on. However, a number of these innovations were never aggressively=20 +on. However, a number of these innovations were never aggressively pursued by system builders, letting them instead be developped (slowly) by programmi= ng -language researchers. Some, like type inference and generics have=20 +language researchers. Some, like type inference and generics have flourished. -Others, like first-class types and first-class expressions, are not=20 +Others, like first-class types and first-class expressions, are not seemingly being researched by anyone. We want to critically examine what has worked, and what has not. Why are = all the current ``popular''[1] computer algebra systems untyped? Why are the -(strongly typed) proof assistants so much harder to use than a typical=20 +(strongly typed) proof assistants so much harder to use than a typical CAS? But also look at question like what forms of polymorphism exists in mathemati= cs? What forms of dependent types exist in mathematics? How can MMS regain th= e -upper hand on issues of 'genericity'? What are the biggest barriers to=20 +upper hand on issues of 'genericity'? What are the biggest barriers to using a more mainstream language as a host language for a CAS or an ATP? This workshop will accept two kinds of submissions: full research papers = as -well as position papers. Research papers should be nore more than 15=20 +well as position papers. Research papers should be nore more than 15 pages in -length, and positions papers no more than 3 pages. Submission will be=20 +length, and positions papers no more than 3 pages. Submission will be through _EasyChair_. An informal version of the proceedings will be available at = the @@ -25733,23 +22297,12 @@ te. ---- [1] by popular we mean > 1 million users. - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:16:15 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch - boundary="=_5q2nu2tulpts" -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch Subject: building wh-sandbox on Windows - -This message is in MIME format. - ---=_5q2nu2tulpts - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Waldek, @@ -26337,19 +22890,13 @@ Index: configure.ac.pamphlet @ ---=_5q2nu2tulpts-- - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <20070426081615.an4ip5wl0rso4wos@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Apr 2007 15:24:14 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Waldek, > @@ -26371,22 +22918,12 @@ And of course, they really want a better expression domain, i.e., provisos. I guess, both is out of reach for the moment? - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:13:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <20070426081615.an4ip5wl0rso4wos@webmail.anikast.ca> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Bill Page: @@ -26417,20 +22954,12 @@ build-mprovements branch. Would you like me to make an initial commit? There will be more (less critical) changes like this to follow. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:16:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Bill Page +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <20070426161326.2o8d34pjonk88484@webmail.anikast.ca> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Bill Page: @@ -26448,13 +22977,10 @@ Quoting Bill Page: Of course I meant to write "without errors" ... - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows Bill Page wrote: @@ -26506,21 +23032,12 @@ Congratulations. Few quick remarks about the diff: 8) Concerning BASE variable: it does not look nice, but I do not think that other solutions would look better. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:56:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Martin@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Martin Rubey, Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -26660,17 +23177,12 @@ wh-sandbox and build-improvements then it makes sense to experiment with two rather opposite solutions to the same problem. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:51:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -26839,19 +23351,12 @@ Please do. I would probably first add no new variables and then look which new variables are used by the rest of the patch and which exisiting values changed. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:06:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > My test build of wh-sandbox (rev. 515) plus the patches for @@ -26885,20 +23390,10 @@ variable settings are problematic: -axiom_configdir = $(abs_top_builddir)/config +axiom_configdir = $(top_builddir)/config - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:09:49 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows Quoting Bill Page: @@ -26919,23 +23414,13 @@ Thanks. I had had no reliable connection in Europe (UK+France) for almost 10 days so I could not read your message. I'll come back to this this when I'm done with the 13K+ messages in the queue. --- Gaby - - - - - \start -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [491]branches/build-improvements - <87mz1j7s6e.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91484@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 06:34:22 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | > dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net writes: | > As of revision 491, I added a configure option --enable-checking for @@ -26956,17 +23441,11 @@ Thanks. I wish more people will build Axiom with checking on and help fix some of the "obvious" type error bugs. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 07:15:40 -0500 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [517] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [517] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -26982,15 +23461,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I reluctantly removed this, at the very insistance of people here. I'm curious of what changed your mind. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:51:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: noweb tarball > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27031,19 +23505,11 @@ in Axiom svn repositiry. Of course, sometimes we want to make an exception but I do not see any reason in case of noweb. But this does not exclude having helper code which make use of prerequisities easier. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 08:55:25 -0500 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27061,16 +23527,12 @@ I'm glad to see that is populating down. I wish the propagation to wh-sandbox is properly labelled to facilitate review when it comes to merging. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:00:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > I have also checked that this patch set is independent of the @@ -27111,21 +23573,12 @@ go on and commit. BTW. I will be leaving out town for few days, so I will probably be unable to immediatly look at your final version. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:09:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis - - ---ELM1177682975-4906-0_ +To: list +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > Concerning Windows build, attached you will find modified version @@ -27583,15 +24036,11 @@ diff -ru --exclude=.svn /home/s/test/tt/axiom2/wh-sandbox2/src/scripts/document. --ELM1177682975-4906-0_-- - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:20:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27619,21 +24068,11 @@ This causes some breakage (the NOISE variable does not work as originally intended) which ATM I consider tolerable (and I intend to fix when re-working NOISE). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:27:04 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -27672,24 +24111,12 @@ please let us know. > This causes some breakage (the NOISE variable does not work as originally > intended) which ATM I consider tolerable (and I intend to fix when > re-working NOISE). -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:34:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > One remark: I dislike both ENV and AX_FLAGS (to say the truth I dislike @@ -27725,19 +24152,11 @@ But if we find too many places where our opinions differ than the merge will turn into cherry picking and it is only you who can cherry pick to build-improvements. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 10:46:02 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27801,20 +24220,13 @@ Well, I do no insist that you merge back to build-improvements if your taste dictates you refrain from doing so. However, I do appreciate to know where the changes are going. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <20070426081615.an4ip5wl0rso4wos@webmail.anikast.ca> - <20070426161326.2o8d34pjonk88484@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 11:06:25 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, the portability changes are also applicable to the | build-mprovements branch. Would you like me to make an @@ -27823,18 +24235,11 @@ Cc: list Which parts of your patch is the "protability changes"? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 27 Apr 2007 11:12:47 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Please join! - <00a501c7851e$4ff72ae0$6900a8c0@asus> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Apr 2007 11:12:47 -0500 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -27863,18 +24268,13 @@ Alfredo -- Do you have the gcl config.log around? It might be a good idea to have Camm look at it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:25:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | Gaby, the portability changes are also applicable to the > | build-mprovements branch. Would you like me to make an @@ -27890,20 +24290,12 @@ IIUC Bill writes about patch attached to: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-04/msg00329.html - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:57:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > I wrote: @@ -27923,18 +24315,12 @@ is the reason, but the only Lisp related change seems to be to src/lisp/Makefile.pamphlet, my first guess is that initial-env.lisp is causing the problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:19:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > Axiom build with this patch fails numerous tests, for example @@ -27949,20 +24335,11 @@ It is probably false alarm: I just noticed that I made a mistake and build Axiom based on gcl-2.6.6 -- this is likely the reason for test failures. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:24:40 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows -Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:24:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceI5hwuJT8LUPPmSN+iad+M9LsWjgAMSz8g -Cc: list On April 27, 2007 12:06 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -27981,17 +24358,11 @@ that I sent you earlier. My point is just that those changes and the patches I made more recently to wh-sandbox to build on Windows are orthogonal. - - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:32:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -28032,20 +24403,11 @@ Both graph and asq should be independent of other changes. Well, enough for today: I will summarize other changes later. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:33:12 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Bill Page: @@ -28068,26 +24430,11 @@ Quoting Bill Page: Aha, OK; thanks for the clarification. --- Gaby - -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: noweb tarball Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:17:57 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceIytmriWTh5gHqRe2eAhZ/4prAawAg5o0g -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: noweb tarball On April 27, 2007 8:52 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -28176,21 +24523,12 @@ their platform, e.g. 'apt-get build-dep axiom' on Debian. And of course this also applies to gcl. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:46:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceIdu72fmLAPwcgR6SC4cbqdyVIFQA3cTgg -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 26, 2007 10:51 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -28301,26 +24639,11 @@ from which an MSYS build environment? Ok, I will try. - -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [508]branches/wh-sandbox Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:42:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceJG/WLJ2cKQDJQQEmdeWYBywSFQgAQoHUg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox On April 27, 2007 6:32 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -28355,18 +24678,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/17AlgebraBOOTSTRAPFixedPoint What about the changes to HyperDoc? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:09:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -28377,38 +24692,33 @@ On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: I agree. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Apr 2007 09:20:58 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: NE with bootsys (build-improvements) -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello, -|=20 +| | The file interop.boot is incorrectly translated by bootsys because of | the use of 'NE'. 'NE' is translated to '(not (equal' by depsys but -| bootsys translate it to '(/=3D'. -|=20 +| bootsys translate it to '(/='. +| | You can trigger this bug if you issue in the interpreter: -|=20 +| | x^(1/7) -|=20 +| | Don't know if there are similar bugs in other parts of the interpreter. Hi Gr=E9gory, Bootsys has a finer grained notion of types than depsys. I -forgot about the ^=3D vs. /=3D issue -- there used to be similar issue for +forgot about the ^= vs. /= issue -- there used to be similar issue for when to use "eq" and "equal". - In short: in Bootsys "^=3D" is for comparing numbers, whereas "/=3D" is + In short: in Bootsys "^=" is for comparing numbers, whereas "/=" is general comparison on objects. In practice, Bootsys demands that we have a better understanding of types in Boot programs -- depsys has no such requirements. All this will be much easier to work with @@ -28420,37 +24730,30 @@ if and when we use typing in Boot codes. | There is another thing with build-improvements, with this sequence of | commands: -|=20 +| | -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ | mkdir /home/greg/axiom-build-improvements | lndir /home/greg/TDevel/axiom.build-improvements /home/greg/axiom-build-i= mprovements/ | cd /home/greg/axiom-build-improvements/ -| ./configure --enable-checking --prefix=3D/home/greg/axiom.bi.debug +| ./configure --enable-checking --prefix=/home/greg/axiom.bi.debug | make && make install | -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ -|=20 +| | the file /home/greg/axiom.bi.debug/bin is the axiom script (and not a | directory). I was unable to reproduce this, but I'll start from a fresh check out -again.=20 - -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - +again. \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Bill Page, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Perhaps I am missing something, but shouldn't it be possible for the person doing a checkout to use the svn:eol-style property flag to get @@ -28459,19 +24762,12 @@ means unix style eol for all platforms? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s02.html -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:57:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 26, 2007 10:51 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28614,19 +24910,11 @@ implementations may need something entirely different. So, the full solution to relative name problem will be too large for Makefile -- we should put it in separate portability library. - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:22:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28657,16 +24945,12 @@ They let you set it to whatever you want. check default-pathname-defaults. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:42:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > AFAICS there are no properties on database files -- were they > corrupted? @@ -28675,15 +24959,10 @@ No. I think I removed a lot of properties in particular from the databases (revisions 137 and 136). But that happened in trunk and not in build-improvements. -Ralf - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:46:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -28706,18 +24985,10 @@ I know about it: which if you use merge-patnames nicely defaults name to "temp" and type to "lsp". - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:25:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28760,19 +25031,10 @@ are trying to avoid with relative paths. Yes. As expected. What is the real problem? --- Gaby - -> -> -> - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:10:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -28811,18 +25073,12 @@ accept inconsincy between Lisps or we resolve this problem in general (for arbitrary paths). I feel that we should resolve the problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 28 Apr 2007 23:21:04 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 28 Apr 2007 23:21:04 +0200 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -28842,18 +25098,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Don't you think you should forward that to comp.lang.lisp? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:24:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <9qps5ogpq7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -28879,18 +25128,12 @@ I just received his mail. He could of course send the message to comp.lang.lisp, but I also believe that he is confusing the medium with the message. -More on that later. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:53:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -28928,18 +25171,12 @@ I do not think it make any sense: cl-fad does not work on gcl, but it is IMHO unreasonable to ask a newsgroup to do a port for us. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:06:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Having read this thread many times, it appears to me that the @@ -28968,19 +25205,12 @@ Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows In case you did not notice: I wrote earlier that we want to solve inderlying problem, but in the Makefile we can arrange "$<" to be in current directory, which solves the immediate problem. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - + \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:15:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -Cc: list On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28993,15 +25223,10 @@ Indeed, if you ask the newsgroup to do a port for you, it would not make much sense. But, again, I understood something different from Martin's suggestion. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:16:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29036,18 +25261,10 @@ On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: And many of us have been using that and building with relative paths. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:32:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceJ2bkd2RxOC2tRRBKYBuXLKCoomAAB8riw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows On April 28, 2007 5:11 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29141,18 +25358,10 @@ standard, I don't think that is such a big deal. Perhaps you can convince me otherwise. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:53:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -29238,15 +25447,10 @@ compilable on Windows without requiring GCL. That, as we have found recently may be of importance for Axiom developers working in windows environment. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:09:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Axiom and ANSI GCL On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -29265,15 +25469,10 @@ found in document.in is wrong in ANSI CL. Why? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:57:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom and ANSI GCL > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -29316,17 +25515,10 @@ BTW: It is intersting to compare sbcl and GCL on: Apparently even Ansi GCL stil is does not handle this correctly. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: Axiom and ANSI GCL On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29353,15 +25545,10 @@ On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: OK, got it. Thanks. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:39:50 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: source for literate lisp noweb Cliff, @@ -29369,16 +25556,12 @@ Cliff, Where can I find the source for the literate lisp noweb? I'm trying to incorporate it into the release. -Tim - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:17:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 26, 2007 10:51 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29406,19 +25589,11 @@ Bill Page wrote: I now commited a change that keeps all lisp files in src/interp directory. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Apr 2007 04:37:19 -0500 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -29434,15 +25609,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: This change has been in Axiom.build-improvements for a long time; any reason why it did not propagate to wh-sandbox before? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: source for literate lisp noweb I responded to Tim privately, but I should say something on the list @@ -29522,9 +25692,6 @@ latex files for noweb should be relatively basic (famous last words...) in which case we would be in a position to bootstrap the pamphlet files only from lisp. -Cheers, -CY - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, @@ -29535,20 +25702,12 @@ CY > Tim > - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:14:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 28, 2007 5:11 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29602,18 +25761,11 @@ I do not give high priority to other ports (besides sbcl), but once we have things working in sbcl it should be relatively little extra work to support other Lisps. And now is a logical time to do this. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:13:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb > I responded to Tim privately, but I should say something on the list > too - here's the latest. @@ -29715,19 +25867,11 @@ following code: Incidentally, the other part (which scans for <<...>> markers) allows '>' in the name. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:19:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] branches/wh-sandbox > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -29749,21 +25893,11 @@ Cc: list Simple: it was part of large set of changes which had multiple conflicts with work on wh-sandbox. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - ---0-202770926-1177880797=:36990 - +Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29815,15 +25949,6 @@ OK. Was there any conclusion about whether the end-of-file line return and white spaces pose a problem? I wouldn't expect them to in lisp, but perhaps SPAD isn't so forgiving. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com ---0-202770926-1177880797=:36990 - KGlmIChub3QgKGZpbmQtcGFja2FnZSA6YXhpb20uc2V0dXApKQooZGVmcGFj a2FnZSBheGlvbS5zZXR1cAogICAgICg6dXNlIDpjbCA6Y2wtd2ViKQogICAg ICg6ZXhwb3J0ICJwYXRobmFtZS10by1zdHJpbmciICJydW4tZXh0LXByb2dy @@ -29988,15 +26113,12 @@ IGZpbGUpKSkKCgogKSkKCg== --0-202770926-1177880797=:36990-- - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [508]branches/wh-sandbox -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:06:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 27, 2007 6:32 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30082,20 +26204,11 @@ Gaby, now you should say how you imagine merge, in particular if you object to some changes made to wh-sandbox (it looks that you attach special importance to AX_FLAGS)? - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:51:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > AX_FLAGS presents far less technical problems than ENV does; in fact, @@ -30130,19 +26243,11 @@ The second extra problem is that AX_FLAGS is new code, so may trick potential readers to think that its use is right thing to do. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:14:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30192,30 +26297,20 @@ That is an abuse only if you're mistaken about the purpose. Excuse me, but that is bullshit. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:46:33 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: finite-state-notangle graphic Cliff, Where can I find the finite-state-notangle graphic? -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:53:48 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: clweb, array-to-string Can @@ -30223,20 +26318,11 @@ Can be rewritten as (coerce ar 'string) -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:07:47 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceKvGXQwZQTBU+BQdCRSdCAIHtYJQAG58uA -Cc: list -Subject: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) > Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -30245,7 +26331,7 @@ Subject: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: > > subdirectories: we use var-def.mk. > > So AX_FLAGS establishes parallel chanel, which has > > significant potential for bugs and confusion. ->=20 +> Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -30261,13 +26347,13 @@ provided the information is static (i.e. determined at configure-time) it could be communicated to sub-processes by either mechanism. ->=20 +> > > The second extra problem is that AX_FLAGS is new code, > > so may trick potential readers to think that its use > > is right thing to do. ->=20 -> Excuse me, but that is bullshit.=20 ->=20 +> +> Excuse me, but that is bullshit. +> I fail to see how either of these last comments add anything substantial to this debate. :-( So let me try to get us past @@ -30278,21 +26364,21 @@ Earlier Waldek wrote: > The problem I see in writing > > make AX_FLAGS ->=20 +> > (as opposed to) ->=20 +> > AX_FLAGS make [ which defines process environment variabes thar are inherited as variables in 'make' ] ->=20 +> > is that we override thing in Makefile. But we are effectively > "broadcasting" AX_FLAGS down which looks like abuse of > mechanizm designed for something else (that is allowing > default in Makfile but sometimes taking alternate values). -Reading=20 +Reading http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Overriding http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Override-Directive @@ -30333,7 +26419,7 @@ But var-def.mk has also been extended to include axiom-specific variables. For example in 'var-def.mk' we find: ## Where to find Axiom data bases. - DAASE =3D $(axiom_src_datadir) + DAASE = $(axiom_src_datadir) In ChangeLog.build-improvements there is some evidence that Gaby has already started to use 'var-def.mk' in the manner @@ -30351,20 +26437,11 @@ Gaby, do you see any conflict between what Waldek is suggesting and your current approach? Or do you see AX_FLAGS as serving some other purpose not properly addressed by 'var-def.mk'? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:56:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list -Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: - axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -30532,16 +26609,12 @@ I don't think anything in AX_FLAGS needs to be potentially overriden. I hope you see why I think AX_FLAGS should either disappear along with the variables it communicates --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: noweb tarball -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:55:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: noweb tarball +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 27, 2007 8:52 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30616,18 +26689,11 @@ large set of platforms. Maker of such distribution can use different noweb version with different name: changing name is trivial (while hooking noweb build to Axiom is not so trivial). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:50:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb tarball -Cc: list On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30642,16 +26708,11 @@ On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: If axiom_optional_srcdir has value other than $(abs_top_srcdir)/zips, then I think you must be considering a different variable. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: clweb, array-to-string -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:27:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: clweb, array-to-string > Can > (array-to-string ar) @@ -30663,18 +26724,11 @@ If you ask about code I wrote the answer is no: I used arrays of bytes (to avoid unicode overheads) and such array can not be coerced to string. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: noweb tarball -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:42:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: noweb tarball Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30701,19 +26755,11 @@ propagating value from configure via config/var-def.mk. I had intended to just use $(abs_top_srcdir)/zips (without change), but appearently Bill wants more flexibility. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:18:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: - axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) Gabriel Dos Reis wrote > As of today, we have two variables are passed in AX_FLAGS: SYS amd NOISE. @@ -30755,18 +26801,11 @@ I am confused by this long message. Does the above mean that you agree with removal of AX_FLAGS? Or do you consider change in NOISE functionality a blocker? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:21:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb tarball -Cc: list On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30799,21 +26838,14 @@ then you can propogate that value from within configure. I suspect that matches what Bill wants. - I should observe that unless noweb's Makefile is supposed to stay the same over releases, you may be heading into a quagmire --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:26:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: - axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30834,15 +26866,10 @@ no better than using AX_FLAGS which encapsulates them. SYS is snicky but not hard. NOISE needs more restructing, but is lower priority for me. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:52:35 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yap" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: process and bibtex Please copy the list. @@ -30861,15 +26888,10 @@ We can use Beebe's bibtex file. Tell me what bibtex commands you'd like to have happen with clweb, what files are involved, and I'll put it into the build. -t - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: process and bibtex @@ -30952,13 +26974,5 @@ This topic died back a while ago as very little truly literate work has been going on, but now that it's come up again can anyone recommend tools for dealing efficiently with very large bibliographies? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - diff --git a/book/2007-05.txt b/book/2007-05.txt index 01d3621..de73d92 100644 --- a/book/2007-05.txt +++ b/book/2007-05.txt @@ -1,8 +1,7 @@ \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:32:45 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yap" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: gclweb.lisp Cliff, @@ -200,19 +199,13 @@ t (char= #\@ (schar line 0))) (values 'end nil)) (t (values nil nil))))) - - - - \start Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, @@ -297,21 +290,13 @@ CY P.S. I sent cl-web-v0.5 to the list, but it hit the filesize limit - anybody know who the list admin is? -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 May 2007 08:21:18 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -331,16 +316,12 @@ Autoconf-2.60 in /usr/local/ I can now build Axiom on windows, again. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:32:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp -Cc: Eitan Gurari, list +Cc: Eitan Gurari I know that you want to do everything in LISP, but there are LaTeX-only solutions already around. @@ -389,7 +370,6 @@ features): http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/people/hemmecke/AldorCombinat/combinatsu29.html#noweb.NW4LNGwX-49LjXS-1 - Ralf @@ -589,25 +569,12 @@ On 05/02/2007 05:32 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > (char= #\@ (schar line 0))) > (values 'end nil)) > (t (values nil nil))))) -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start +Date: 02 May 2007 17:19:20 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp - <4638A112.7050107@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 02 May 2007 17:19:20 +0200 -Cc: list - How would @@ -619,15 +586,11 @@ deal with characters like "%" in chunkname? Martin - - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:34:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke, Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -748,23 +711,11 @@ problems are simple to solve. I suppose we should go ahead and handle the noweb syntax -> LaTeX conversion, and then look at the features ALLPROSE needs. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:47:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp - <9qbqh3qmmf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Probably in a similar way as \begin{verbatim} ... \end{verbatim} or \verb do it. Otherwise I would say one can restrict chunk names to @@ -786,17 +737,12 @@ On 05/02/2007 05:19 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: >> \end{chunk} > > deal with characters like "%" in chunkname? -> -> Martin - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:38:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp -Cc: list >> I know that you want to do everything in LISP, but there are >> LaTeX-only solutions already around. @@ -840,18 +786,11 @@ Is there someone who is interested and can look into evaluating TeXmacs for Axiom? Maybe we should ask someone on the TeXmacs list to give us some motivation to follow this direction. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - ---- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: +Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp > > Actually removing the dependency on LaTeX is not theoretically > > impossible and is a direction I find interesting. @@ -891,25 +830,11 @@ integration. Regrettably I don't have the time it would take to dig into that right now, but I agree it is a useful direction to pursue. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start +Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:12:41 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp -From: Jay Belanger - <4638BE86.8030503@hemmecke.de> -Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:12:41 -0500 - 02 May 2007 18\:38\:30 +0200") -Cc: - Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -934,15 +859,10 @@ don't know if anything came of it. But is tying down Axiom development to one editor a good idea? (If it is a good idea, TeXmacs seems like a reasonable choice.) -Jay - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:14:45 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -952,8 +872,6 @@ The string contained within the chunkname field of is unparsed in the current code and can contain anything at all. It is purely used as a key to the hash table. - - David Mentre did some other work (see src/doc/booklet) which gives meaning to the chunkname if the chunkname follows URL syntax as in: @@ -962,17 +880,10 @@ follows URL syntax as in: etc. This will probably become more interesting once firefox replaces hyperdoc. -t - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:26:39 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -989,17 +900,10 @@ rather than chunks. Such tagging allows a program to extract and process this information based on semantics rather than syntax. -t - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:34:35 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -1022,17 +926,10 @@ Using latex syntax also means that I can integrate the chunking into the Axiom )set output latex machinery. Thus Axiom could be made to read and write pamphlets. -t - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:37:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp Of course. See also the aldordoc part of ALLPROSE. @@ -1055,11 +952,6 @@ On 05/02/2007 07:26 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > rather than chunks. Such tagging allows a program to extract > and process this information based on semantics rather than > syntax. -> -> t -> - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:10:54 -0700 (PDT) @@ -1067,8 +959,6 @@ From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: cl-web 0.5 ---0-1894466935-1178140254=:41406 - Looks like the other one got stuck on the file size limit, so I'll just post the essential files and link to the bib file: @@ -1679,13 +1569,10 @@ uAEA --0-1894466935-1178140254=:41406-- - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:57:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp On 05/02/2007 07:14 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -1718,15 +1605,10 @@ to print nicely. (I could have escaped %, of course.) Anyway, retaining TeX meaning of the characters is probably the better way to go. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:50:09 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +From: Tim Daly Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -1763,17 +1645,10 @@ which means that it is an invitation to a flame war. Suffice it to say that the only gclweb program use is as a hash key which places no restriction on the contents. -t - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:36:47 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -1799,17 +1674,10 @@ their intended function so we don't get hung up in the details. CWK's clweb is the better place to experiment since it is more forward-looking and the long term strategy. -t - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp --- Tim Daly wrote: @@ -1905,20 +1773,10 @@ Agreed - such a document would be very useful. Yes. Style ultimately should be configurable anyway - the thing to check there is that LaTeX packages used are compatible with each other. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 May 2007 12:41:46 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: PFE, Complex and INT Dear all, @@ -1998,19 +1856,11 @@ factor(y)$GaussianFactorizationPackage normPolynomial pp == map(retract(#1@%)::R,pp * map(conjugate,pp)) - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 May 2007 07:18:11 -0500 -Subject: [Juho Snellman] Re: [Sbcl-devel] - Version Control Systems - ---=-=-= - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [Juho Snellman] Re: [Sbcl-devel] Version Control Systems FYI. This is not a Call For Debate. @@ -2018,25 +1868,7 @@ This is not a Call For Debate. --=-=-= -Return-Path: -Delivered-To: gdr@localhost.cs.tamu.edu -To: sbcl-devel List - - <20070420185456.GC10295@lavos.net> - From: Juho Snellman -Date: 03 May 2007 08:11:38 +0300 - See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to - http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 -Subject: Re: [Sbcl-devel] Version Control Systems - - -Errors-To: sbcl-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net -x-ctasd: uncategorized -x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized -x-ctasd-station: - FILETIME=[CA8987F0:01C78D41] -Xref: soliton.cs.tamu.edu mail.misc:116286 James Y Knight writes: > I'd like to propose switching to sf.net SVN hosting. Now, for all you @@ -2063,29 +1895,10 @@ example, it'd be nice if people without commit access could send properly formatted patches that add new files (hard to do with cvs, since "cvs add" requires commit rights). --- -Juho Snellman - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express -Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take -control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. -http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ -_______________________________________________ -Sbcl-devel mailing list -Sbcl-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sbcl-devel - ---=-=-=-- - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:54:20 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: gclweb.lisp Gaby, @@ -2095,17 +1908,10 @@ I need to see if the change/commit cycle works. Since I've moved to git this would be very convenient if it works. I'll let you know the result of my trials. -t - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:18:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp On Thu, 3 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2122,15 +1928,10 @@ Indeed. Great! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:04:05 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: git-svn Well checkout works and I can make changes. @@ -2143,19 +1944,10 @@ authorization failed (https://axiom.svn.sourceforget.net) at I'm open to suggestion about why I cannot commit to SVN. -t - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:56:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceNzdms1KQkqomgQQyhPnA0yFcgmQ== -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: MathMLFormat and serv.c Axiom Developers; @@ -2218,18 +2010,10 @@ applications that interface with Axiom. Is there anyone else on this list who is interested in applications of MathML in Axiom? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:20:13 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: next release Bill, @@ -2240,12 +2024,6 @@ collecting the non-algebra changes from myself, Gaby, and Waldek. I plan to release this version and then start on the algebra changes which require much more verification work. -t - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -2285,20 +2063,10 @@ time if the features provided by noweb.sty are essential. What is the general opinion on this, particularly from more experienced literate programmers out there? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:05:52 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list Subject: latex and noweb @@ -2313,18 +2081,10 @@ see remnants of code in the preline and postline unused variables, etc). Automatic indexing might be nice but I can generate my own index info. Except for David's booklet URL syntax there is nothing I need. -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: latex and noweb @@ -2357,20 +2117,10 @@ I think the same basic techniques that worked on tangle would work here (probably with some minor variations) so if we want to move this to lisp we can. -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:24:01 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: latex and noweb Cliff, @@ -2380,21 +2130,12 @@ be within the clweb machinery, not in C. If Axiom serves pages to a firefox front end it would be easy to turn the embedded URLs into web pages. -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 19:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: latex and noweb - Is there any reason not to do this in LaTeX using the hyperref package? If we include a link to a pamphlet file as a hyperref link, and Firefox submits that link to the Axiom server as a filename, wouldn't @@ -2408,9 +2149,6 @@ and dvi files. Sorry if that's a silly suggestion - I may not be understanding the usage scenario correctly. -CY - ---- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, > @@ -2418,20 +2156,6 @@ CY > be within the clweb machinery, not in C. If Axiom serves pages > to a firefox front end it would be easy to turn the embedded > URLs into web pages. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:51:40 -0700 (PDT) @@ -2467,31 +2191,18 @@ appreciated - is this something people think would be good to have? If so, I believe it can be autogenerated from cl-web requiring only packages already present in teTeX. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 01:28:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOB+t7O7oAiu/BSk2QyrqoYI9sBQAAyZtQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style On May 4, 2007 12:52 AM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > I have created a sample file of a format for pamphlets that can > be generated without needing the noweb style file (obviously -> without many of the major features.) =20 ->=20 +> without many of the major features.) +> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.5-hyperref= tes t.pdf/download @@ -2499,12 +2210,12 @@ t.pdf/download Cliff, I do really like the "look and feel" of this example! It looks pretty and it seems to work. ->=20 +> > This file makes use of the hyperref and listings packages in > LaTeX (I believe both are included standard with teTeX). It > has hyperlinks from chunk references to chunks. To generate > it, the commands were: ->=20 +> > latex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.tex > bibtex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest > latex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.tex @@ -2512,7 +2223,7 @@ It looks pretty and it seems to work. > latex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.tex > dvips cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.dvi -o cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.ps > ps2pdf cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.ps ->=20 +> > (thanks again to Bill for figuring out these steps and the > hyperref options for endpamphlet). @@ -2524,9 +2235,9 @@ What does the actual pamphlet source file look like? Specifically, how are chunks delimited? Can you give us a link to the source .pamphlet file? ->=20 +> > If it is of interest the "Included in ..." tail can be added -> to identify chunks containing the current chunk, although I=20 +> to identify chunks containing the current chunk, although I > didn't do that here because I'm generating this one by hand > as a test case. @@ -2538,24 +2249,16 @@ result? Or are you just talking about the "Included in ..."? > Feedback appreciated - is this something people think would > be good to have? If so, I believe it can be autogenerated > from cl-web requiring only packages already present in teTeX. ->=20 +> How much work remains to be done to do this autogeneration? -(autogeneration =3D=3D noweave?) - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - +(autogeneration == noweave?) \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:11:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list Hi Cliff, @@ -2739,17 +2442,11 @@ information about symbols is available.) I don't think that anything from noweb.sty is essential. You simply have to put the logic into cl-web, then you don't need a style file at all. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:57:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page, - axiom-dev , Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: On 05/04/2007 07:28 AM, Bill Page wrote: > On May 4, 2007 12:52 AM C Y wrote: @@ -2789,16 +2486,11 @@ for the .ps file. Look also at the generated .dvi file, adjust your dvi viewer and click on it. I have incorporated the inverse search facility. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 04:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style To: Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -2895,24 +2587,11 @@ weave function to make the correct calls. There may be a couple other gotchas to deal with once I actually start but that's the core of what needs to be done. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -To: Ralf Hemmecke, - Bill Page, - axiom-dev -Cc: --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -2949,22 +2628,11 @@ features is a bigger bite than I have time to chew right now. Or we could go with this if noweb is present on the system but fall back on the plain Lisp version otherwise. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:18:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: axiom-dev > http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/document.pdf/download >> (unfortunately the graph has to be adjusted---I am too lazy) @@ -2999,16 +2667,11 @@ reprogram their ideas only because we then use \begin{chunk} .. \end{chunk} -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 05:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -3284,22 +2947,11 @@ needed machinery fails fall back onto the simpler Lisp+vanilla LaTeX solution. Over time, we could migrate features into the Lisp solution until we can reproduce everything we need. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 05:37:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -3346,24 +2998,11 @@ either in Lisp or in LaTeX style file processing) and to anybody else who wants it to it will still look like a regular noweb file (plus, less typing for delimiters...) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go -with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: list Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Sorry to reply to myself, but I want to record this idea before I head for work: @@ -3377,17 +3016,6 @@ to try tonight. I'll take a stab at a lisp weave function tonight as well. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -3399,22 +3027,10 @@ http://jsnell.iki.fi/blog/archive/2007-05-03-code-coverage-tool-for-sbcl.html Perhaps this could be useful someday developing a test framework for Axiom. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:47:55 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: latex and noweb Cliff, Ralf, @@ -3447,8 +3063,6 @@ to outside sources. We could use these functions interactively either behind the scenes in a web-serving axiom or directly in user )help requests - - Pamphlets() == parse(pamphlet) -> graph @@ -3525,45 +3139,35 @@ Pamphlets() == run a command and compare it against the result -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke, "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:22:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOOzLP/MovR9laRMe0AWCtA+WbcAAHpUMA -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style On May 4, 2007 6:58 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > On 05/04/2007 07:28 AM, Bill Page wrote: > > On May 4, 2007 12:52 AM C Y wrote: > >> I have created a sample file of a format for pamphlets > >> that can be generated without needing the noweb style -> >> file (obviously without many of the major features.) =20 +> >> file (obviously without many of the major features.) > >> > > -=20 + http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.5-hyperref= tes t.pdf/download -> >=20 +> > > > Cliff, I do really like the "look and feel" of this example! > > It looks pretty and it seems to work. ->=20 +> > I appreciate very much the literate work. That is a very good > example how literate documents should look like. ->=20 +> > For your convenience I have embellished it a bit. ->=20 +> > = http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/document.pdf/download > @@ -3574,7 +3178,7 @@ the width of the window. Also the default red boxes around the links look horrible. There is a hyperref option to control that. See the following line from Cliff's source: -\usepackage[dvips,final,colorlinks=3Dtrue,linkcolor=3Dblue,pdfstartview=3D= +\usepackage[dvips,final,colorlinks=true,linkcolor=blue,pdfstartview== FitH]{hy perref} @@ -3594,9 +3198,9 @@ simply because some people are motivated to replace noweb with something written in Lisp. > (unfortunately the graph has to be adjusted---I am too lazy) ->=20 +> > The sources are here. ->=20 +> > = http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/cl-web.tar.gz/download= @@ -3623,7 +3227,7 @@ document generated from LaTeX literate program sources? On May 4, 2007 8:19 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... ->> C Y wrote:=20 +>> C Y wrote: >> Very nice! This functionality Ralf might need to be >> incorporated as a second stage - it needs a lot more of >> noweb's full strength. I'm shooting for a first cut at a @@ -3670,20 +3274,11 @@ are motived to spend your time is up to you, but I thought I would just re-state (once again) more clearly my personal opinion on this. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:41:31 -0400 From: Humberto Zuazaga -To: Bill Page, - list +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: Bill Page wrote: >> Look also at the generated .dvi file, adjust your dvi viewer @@ -3702,22 +3297,11 @@ be able to preserve hyperrefs if invoked with the -z flag. See http://arxiv.org/hypertex/ --- -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga -Programmer-Archaeologist -UPR Bioinformatics Resource Center -http://www.hpcf.upr.edu/~humberto/ - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:41:34 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: latex and noweb -Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:41:34 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOWz2ZFQb9AXVoRW67WkhY14BPGwABRk0A -Cc: list On May 4, 2007 10:48 AM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -3801,19 +3385,10 @@ concept that underlies the Axiom library. I like that. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:24:03 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: latex and noweb Bill, Cliff, Ralf, @@ -3824,17 +3399,11 @@ could be implemented in a compatible way in lisp/spad/aldor/perl/whatever. That would mean that the access and algorithms would be independent of the machinery. Which means we can think and debate at a much higher level. -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style -To: Bill Page, - Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: 'axiom-dev' --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -3948,26 +3517,11 @@ sb-profile, hunchentoot, McCLIM, etc. are tools I would like to have available for working with Axiom. I can understand how this looks silly to other people, but it is my preference. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:56:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOc4Ni96VEVYWxT6iV/db0LdfiZQAChbiw -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style On May 4, 2007 1:42 PM C Y wrote: > ... @@ -3983,21 +3537,13 @@ I am convinced that viewing Axiom as a "Lisp program" has been very greatly to it's disadvantage given the priorities of the current generation of programmers. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 May 2007 14:06:52 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On May 4, 2007 1:42 PM C Y wrote: | > ... @@ -4019,21 +3565,15 @@ I would encourage Axiomatizers to view Lisp as just one of the many possible assembly languages which Axiom can be translated to. Nothing more. Axiom will be better served that way. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | I am convinced that viewing Axiom as a "Lisp program" has > | been very greatly to it's disadvantage given the priorities > | of the current generation of programmers. @@ -4074,27 +3614,12 @@ with the existing pamphlets. Alternately, there may be a package for LaTeX that provides an include command which will do that automatically - I'll look around tonight. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. -Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 May 2007 17:34:52 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Nud and Led properties - -Hi, - The old parser (and unparser) encodes operator precedence as Nud and Led properties. Those properties are set only for symbols. @@ -4112,8 +3637,6 @@ and Led queries -- they might bogusly get rewritten by depsys, but eventually that will go away when we convert to bootsys. --- Gaby - 2007-05-04 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis * c-doc.boot.pamphlet (checkRecordHash): Use GET instead of GETL. @@ -4367,13 +3890,10 @@ eventually that will go away when we convert to bootsys. isTrue x == x="true" or x is '(QUOTE T) - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:57:54 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: 'axiom-dev' +To: list Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style C Y wrote: @@ -4385,15 +3905,10 @@ Not sure if it will fit the bill, but this is what I was thinking of: ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/combine/combine.pdf - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 22:00:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOcQDY+W+R7TAGT3mTEqKvr5QY0QAQZHtA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: latex and noweb On May 4, 2007 1:24 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -4476,23 +3991,14 @@ aldor code. On a small test (38 decimal digits, 5 factors) the aldor code returns the solution in roughly 1/2 of the time taken by Axiom." - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 23:20:21 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: second life Is anyone here on second life? -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -4531,18 +4037,6 @@ chunk, but that's a likely killer for speed. Fortunately I was able to work around it here, but the more general solution isn't there yet. Anyone know of a good way to address this problem? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Finding fabulous fares is fun. -Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -4565,56 +4059,41 @@ examined anyway, and stored as part of the chunk structure information. are initially defined and when they are called, and I'm curious as to what the best techniques are. -Thanks, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:48:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQE+yAKo+FrArMQHmjIqwpBgYc/AAE/B+w -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 On May 6, 2007 3:23 PM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > For those who are interested, I've uploaded cl-web v0.6 here: ->=20 +> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.6.tar.gz/d= own load ->=20 +> > And the example pdf here: ->=20 +> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.6.lisp.pdf= /do wnload It still look good to me. :-) ->=20 +> > I've added come style fixes from Kai, and have switched over to > using trivial-utf-8 for the array-to-string and string-to-array > operations. Testing indicates no appreciable speed loss. ->=20 +> > More interestingly, this version has a rudimentary weave ability -> as well. It's not well documented yet but it works well enough=20 +> as well. It's not well documented yet but it works well enough > to be able to weave itself, and the pdf above is not a hand made > example but the actual result of weaving cl-web-v0.6.lisp.pamphlet. Excellent! ->=20 +> > The kicker, that I haven't fully solved yet, is the escape > character needed by the listings package to insert tex into code. > This is needed for the chunk reference links, but the character @@ -4630,23 +4109,12 @@ f The documentation describes a large number of options for defining suitable escape characters. -=20 -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 To: Bill Page -Cc: list - +Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -4675,26 +4143,12 @@ tell) allow multiple characters. It does, but apparently my TeX foo isn't strong enough to spot where they allow strings instead of single characters. I'll keep digging... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: listings oddness - --- Bill Page wrote: Well, this is weird: @@ -4709,20 +4163,10 @@ does. Oh, well. As long as something works... -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:28:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Compiler speed Using sbcl profiler on Maitin's guessing package I identified @@ -4756,17 +4200,10 @@ Also, compiler uses symbol table is such a way that it is not clear if different form of symbol table would be more efficient. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:42:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Weird errors FYI I am now seeing really weird errors: on gentoo machine wh-sandbox @@ -4781,18 +4218,11 @@ BTW: I use here ANSI gcl build from sources included in build-improvements. Gentoo provides gcl-2.6.7 but this one fails quite early trying to link the first Lisp image. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 06 May 2007 21:13:12 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Weird errors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 May 2007 21:13:12 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4812,16 +4242,11 @@ Try build with --enable-checking -- yes, I know it takes hours. You'll see many runtime type errors. The checking is too fined-grained, but it get you somewhere. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 06 May 2007 21:14:15 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 May 2007 21:14:15 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4862,17 +4287,10 @@ I'm rewriting part of the compiler in Spad -- it will take some time before it gets fully functional, but I do hope to make progress by the summer. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:27:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQOHil/42ftxatT/eBrTCecj7WqAAHJvoQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: listings oddness Cliff, @@ -4914,21 +4332,12 @@ Ref. the example before "How to gobble characters" on page Right. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: listings oddness - --- Bill Page wrote: > I am not sure what you are saying didn't work since in @@ -4974,23 +4383,10 @@ for marker) so that's probably good enough. Now to do Tim's cleanups... -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 00:25:49 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQXD7lR8nNeV1wRvmyQpoSyrhUkQAAN9dA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: listings oddness Cliff, @@ -5016,18 +4412,10 @@ Of course this is just "in theory", I haven't tried it yet... :-) > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: listings oddness @@ -5070,22 +4458,11 @@ working so I'll leave it be and go for more pressing things. I'm certainly open to better proposals. (Note to self, get linenumber info working for tangle output...) -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 08:34:14 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 08:34:14 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5109,17 +4486,11 @@ noticed that libdb.text is rebuild dynamically, and that's a great feature. BTW: did anybody try my code from SandBoxHyperDocReplacement ? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:44:38 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list >> -n does not produce a latex wrapper (ALLPROSE provides a >> wrapper.) @@ -5314,19 +4685,11 @@ similar. If LaTeX sees that and has an appropriate .sty file (like noweb.sty) then pretty much can be done by TeX itself. Appropriate tags are important. -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:00:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: axiom-dev - - On 05/04/2007 02:37 PM, C Y wrote: > --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -5360,18 +4723,11 @@ http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/ It seems quite powerful and can produce .pdf. I haven't, however, experimented with that very much. -Ralf - - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 12:14:35 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style - <463EF8BD.6050909@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 12:14:35 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -5393,17 +4749,10 @@ this will be a little painful.) On the other hand, I do believe that we should give the documentation authors as much freedom as possible, thus it's probably worth going through a bit of pain. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:49:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Re: latex and noweb On 05/05/2007 04:00 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -5462,16 +4811,11 @@ a bit more common for us. We surely want to restrict a bit. For example, removing all stuff outside \begin{document}...\end{document} to make pamphlets combinable. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:09:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: 'axiom-dev' >> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/document.pdf/download @@ -5505,17 +4849,11 @@ I've never heard about that being possible. Would be nice, but if you then use acroread, that is a pain, since acroread does not automatically reload a file that changed on disk. (Only my experience?) -Ralf - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Compiler speed -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:54:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Compiler speed Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5556,19 +4894,12 @@ during build (as I wrote this is useless because we generate up to date libdb.text later), but the installed compiler should work as before. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:58:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > I like Ralf's output - my suggestion would be to integrate that > technique for pamphlet building into the Axiom build machinery. Ralf, @@ -5582,17 +4913,11 @@ Although that stuff is pretty much independent of the current building machinery, I don't quite know from which branch I should branch build-improvements or wh-sandbox? Suggestions? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -5772,24 +5097,11 @@ want the documentation chunks identified? I always viewed pamphlet files as a latex document with chunks embedded in it - what is the advantage of chunking up the documentation as well? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 14:14:28 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 14:14:28 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5817,20 +5129,12 @@ compile some mini domain or package, quit axiom, delete libdb.text, start axiom, )lib MINIDOMAIN, and check whether HyperDoc finds MINIDOMAIN, or, hopefully equivalently, libdb.text contains the necessary information. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 07:49:58 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style - <463EF8BD.6050909@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qmz0hey9g.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 May 2007 07:49:58 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Martin Rubey writes: @@ -5844,17 +5148,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: If possible, please go with Xypic. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 07:51:01 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style - <463F1480.5020904@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 May 2007 07:51:01 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -5873,18 +5171,12 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Unless you want the new algebra boostrap right now, I would suggest you branch from build-improvements. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -5902,22 +5194,10 @@ better without hyperlinks. In theory, it doesn't have to be an either/or situation - both could be "rendering" targets for the plotting routines. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -TV dinner still cooling? -Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:07:22 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Desired functionality from noweb Cliff, @@ -5945,15 +5225,10 @@ at generalizing it to parse the latex to a graph. Once that happens it would be straightforward to remove the headers. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:26:33 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Desired functionality from noweb Cliff, @@ -5982,8 +5257,6 @@ automatically reread the .dvi file if it gets the focus. Thus, I compile/test/document about once every 10 lines or so. Breakage in either the program or the latex is immediate. - - re: build times, axiom system builds I am constantly rebuilding axiom. I have rebuilt axiom about @@ -5999,15 +5272,10 @@ will stop the build and request that you fetch a new copy of the diagrams.sty file. This broke and was fixed back in the first week of this year. I'm surprised that no-one complained. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:59:58 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Desired functionality from noweb Cliff, @@ -6041,15 +5309,10 @@ Thus, given the latex-to-lisp tranformation and a definition of a SECTION function means that the graph can have both structural and execution semantics. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:24:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb @@ -6106,20 +5369,10 @@ understand what it really implies. Sorry for being dense, but can you illustrate what the possible consequences of that would be? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:01:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Bootstrap documentation. I want to include some documentation of current algebra bootstrap @@ -6203,18 +5456,12 @@ mutually dependent constructors without cyclic dependencies the solution is easy: compile all dependent constructors in a single Axiom image, using apropriate order. The [[guess-pkg]] target ilustrates this method.OA --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 21:49:18 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 21:49:18 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -6320,18 +5567,11 @@ the solution is easy: compile all dependent constructors in a single Axiom image, using apropriate order. The [[guess-pkg]] target ilustrates this method. - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:52:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQ4NEvHdXpZqGRRIe6b9R05/SHYAAKfseA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Martin, @@ -6352,21 +5592,13 @@ go away this extend? Excellent documentation, Waldek. Thanks! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Date: 07 May 2007 19:56:38 -0500 -Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Martin, | @@ -6384,18 +5616,11 @@ to be of necessity at the lowest level. So, you could start with just the simple data structure Integer with few operations and extend it as you go. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:05:39 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. -Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:05:39 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceRC8BIdcL64CpORAyhWsIc/j0HmAACIueg -Cc: list On May 7, 2007 8:57 PM Gaby wrote: > Bill Page writes: @@ -6425,21 +5650,14 @@ In particular, I do not see how the bootstrap mechanism described by Waldek (or the original approach implemented by Tim Daly) would be obivated by extend. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 May 2007 08:15:14 +0200 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > Many of the categories and friends dragged in by Integer do > > not seem to be of necessity at the lowest level. So, you @@ -6470,20 +5688,13 @@ Plus( <> } - -Martin - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 May 2007 02:25:49 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On May 7, 2007 8:57 PM Gaby wrote: | > Bill Page writes: @@ -6518,20 +5729,14 @@ I don't know what a mutual recursion between extensions mean, but definitely mutual recursion between domains is needed for natural expressions of domains. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:54:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 05/08/2007 09:25 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | > Many of the categories and friends dragged in by Integer do > | > not seem to be of necessity at the lowest level. So, you @@ -6580,16 +5785,11 @@ I also don't understand how mutual recursion and extend should work together. Surely, it should be possible to extend any domain, no matter how it is defined. Bill, can you give an example of what you mean? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 10:45:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list > I'm trying to reconcile that idea with an "Axiom Journal" style of > writing where people may do shorter papers on a single topic. @@ -6742,17 +5942,11 @@ UVW So noweave even adds chunk numbers which one can ignore in the .sty file. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 04:00:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46402CC2.6020301@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -6809,18 +6003,11 @@ In Haskell (or Boot), I could write: What would be a "natural" and concise expression of that in Spad? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:08:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46402CC2.6020301@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list > I want distinct domains for literals, fields, types, expressions, etc. @@ -6830,20 +6017,11 @@ http://www-sop.inria.fr/cafe/Manuel.Bronstein/algebra/ do? I guess you'd need domains for mutual recursion in the grammar, right? -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 04:14:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46402CC2.6020301@hemmecke.de> - - <46403E27.4060203@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -6859,16 +6037,11 @@ I insist on distinct domains for distinct notions present in the C language. yes. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Weird errors -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:50:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Weird errors Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6905,18 +6078,11 @@ BTW: in revison 513 I have fixed all errors that showed during build with safety 3 (except for above mentioned running out of memory). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:23:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Weird errors -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -6927,17 +6093,11 @@ That is weird indeed. I'm out of idea for now. :-( --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 04:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -7129,25 +6289,12 @@ already in teTeX but I guess that's unrealistic. I guess I need to think about this one some more, and dig into inverse search. -Cheers, -CY - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:31:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceROEJOZxJIkSYvSK2MrsUzAkToggAOs0Rw -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On May 8, 2007 2:15 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -7207,21 +6354,13 @@ normally call "dependent types" since L would appear to be a free parameter of some kind. Isn't there a way to write this that does not use such an exotic definition? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 May 2007 08:49:12 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On May 8, 2007 2:15 AM Martin Rubey wrote: | > @@ -7278,16 +6417,11 @@ I'm not sure I would qualify those of "trivial". Huh? What is "normally calle 'dependent types'"? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:51:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list > I still think the most promising direction for the "read the source > code and find definitions and where they are used" is to use the @@ -7430,20 +6564,14 @@ So you don't want to require something like axiom.sty? But then you put all the style information into your weave program. That doesn't sound like the right way to do. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:47:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87odkvs9wn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, although > | > my top priority still is to make types first class objects @@ -7518,13 +6646,11 @@ Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:18:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87odkvs9wn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46408D9C.6050504@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: | On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | | > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, although | > | > my top priority still is to make types first class objects @@ -7600,47 +6726,39 @@ something about programming with Spad) and basis for improvement. I'm looking for ways to express simple and elegantly simple notions. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:25:11 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AceRf+OtYjlvbQ3fT6WwvKCH2ni0XwAAsS8A -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. On May 8, 2007 10:48 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: +> > > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, > > | > although my top priority still is to make types first > > | > class objects and to allow domain constructors like -> > | >=20 -> > | > SPECIES =3D=3D> (L: LabelType) -> CombinatorialSpecies L; -> > | >=20 +> > | > +> > | > SPECIES ==> (L: LabelType) -> CombinatorialSpecies L; +> > | > > > | > Plus( > > | > F: SPECIES, > > | > G: SPECIES -> > | > )(L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) =3D=3D add { -> > | > Rep =3D=3D Union(left: F L, right: G L); +> > | > )(L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) == add { +> > | > Rep == Union(left: F L, right: G L); > > | > import from Rep; > > | > <> > > | > } -> > | >=20 -> > |=20 +> > | > +> > | > > | I don't understand this construction. What is the signature > > | of the function 'Plus'? I think this goes beyond what would > > | normally call "dependent types" -> >=20 +> > > > Huh? What is "normally called 'dependent types'"? ->=20 +> Perhaps I should have said: "goes beyond what **I** would normally call a dependent type". How other people classify this, I cannot @@ -7649,70 +6767,60 @@ prefer to punt (en Fran=E7ais "ponter") on that question for now. > Bill, yes, the L looks like being a parameter. Let me try > another definition. ->=20 +> > Plus1( > F: SPECIES, > G: SPECIES -> ): SPECIES =3D=3D (L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) +-> add { -> Rep =3D=3D Union(left: F L, right: G L); +> ): SPECIES == (L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) +-> add { +> Rep == Union(left: F L, right: G L); > import from Rep; > <> > } ->=20 +> > So > Plus: (SPECIES, SPECIES) -> SPECIES > as an addition of species. ->=20 +> > Does that look simpler? Yes, excellent. That is much better. Now L only appears explicity in the body of the function. Is it equivalent to what Martin wrote? > Of course you can go on and define something like ->=20 -> Plus2: (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES) -> ... =3D=3D -> (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES): ... +-> ((L: LabelType):=20 +> +> Plus2: (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES) -> ... == +> (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES): ... +-> ((L: LabelType): > ... +-> ...) ->=20 +> > But that is probably not what you meant. ->=20 +> > Yes, CombinatorialSpecies is itself a function. http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/people/hemmecke/AldorCombinat/combinatsu16= .ht ml#dt:CombinatorialSpecies ->=20 +> > CombinatorialSpecies: (L: LabelType) -> Category ->=20 +> > The following does (of course) not work. ->=20 +> > Plus3( > F: SPECIES, > G: SPECIES -> ): CombinatorialSpecies =3D=3D +> ): CombinatorialSpecies == > (L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) +-> add { -> Rep =3D=3D Union(left: F L, right: G L); +> Rep == Union(left: F L, right: G L); > import from Rep; > <> > } ->=20 +> > And I somehow need the L, because it is used inside the "add". ->=20 - -Ok. Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - +> \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 17:30:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> So >> Plus: (SPECIES, SPECIES) -> SPECIES @@ -7725,23 +6833,18 @@ Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Yes that compiles and "make check" does not report an error. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: | On May 8, 2007 10:48 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: | > | > On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| > > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > > Bill Page writes: | > | > > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, | > > | > although my top priority still is to make types first @@ -7776,17 +6879,11 @@ I think this is a standard reference Look from page 82 onwards. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -7935,22 +7032,11 @@ thereof.) Right now I don't see it being a problem. I had sort of assumed we would settle on a particular style as the "official" Axiom style, but maybe that's not a good assumption. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Subject: Re: git-svn -To: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 02:02:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: git-svn > Well checkout works and I can make changes. > I just cannot commit changes. I get @@ -7969,21 +7055,12 @@ svn told me that a commit failed when in fact it worked. To avoid confusion in such a case I was doing update (the update proved that commit worked). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 May 2007 22:47:44 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Axiom and Superman - -Hi, - As of revision 536, if you build Axiom build-improvements with Superman disabled, e.g. currently on Windows, you can still install the "axiom" script (through the usual "make install") and invoke it as @@ -7992,15 +7069,10 @@ won't get HyperDoc and friends. built and tested on Windows with msys/mingw. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 00:43:56 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: JavaFX This might be interesting as a way to get a portable @@ -8033,16 +7105,10 @@ graphics API than with the javascript/canvas tag combo. There is no such thing as a simple job. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:27:32 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: git-svn >Are you sure you can't commit. @@ -8053,19 +7119,11 @@ I had the correct permissions. It used the svn client directly. The git-svn connection does everything except commit. I'm still puzzled about it. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:53:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: git-svn - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -8094,15 +7152,10 @@ http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/archives/git/0611/32475.html If your version is older you might try to upgrade. The current verison is v1.5.1.4. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:32:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Issue 351 I wonder what shall we do with issue 351. One "solution" is to @@ -8148,19 +7201,11 @@ R is claimed to be field, but test for unit fails: unitNormalize(squareFree(r) pretend %) ... - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 19:29:48 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list >>>> Try >>>> %---BEGIN aaa.pamphlet @@ -8206,17 +7251,11 @@ toplevel chunk, you simply have a single chunk with its definition spread through the file, with the scan identifying where the pieces are and putting them together. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Subject: Re: Compiler speed -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 02:55:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Compiler speed Martin Rubey wrote: > Unfortunately, I do not have the time to check this now. Maybe you could @@ -8242,12 +7281,6 @@ flag. We can set this flag to nil -- extendLocalLibdb will then return immediately without doing anything. Users needing libdb.text can still set $createLocalLibDb to true get old behaviour. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -8285,25 +7318,12 @@ use yet, so there is some exploring to do. SLIME is worth a look to see how it supports the sb-introspection features in other lisps. CMUCL might be workable as well. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: cl-web v0.7 To: list - ---- Cliff Yapp wrote: - > I'm not sure this really deserves a release, but I may not be able to > work on this for a week so I'll go ahead and put it out there. @@ -8312,22 +7332,11 @@ Oh, here are the links: http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.7.lisp.pdf http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.7.tar.gz - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Never miss an email again! -Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - - \start -Subject: Re: PFE, Complex and INT -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:05:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: PFE, Complex and INT Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear all, @@ -8427,22 +7436,12 @@ which seem to agree with implementation. > normPolynomial: Sup -> SupR > normPolynomial pp == > map(retract(#1@%)::R,pp * map(conjugate,pp)) -> -> - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start +Date: 10 May 2007 08:28:40 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 May 2007 08:28:40 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8480,17 +7479,10 @@ Hm, but if I generate my library using the aldor compiler (externally), index.KAF is *not* created, but HyperDoc (and getDatabase) still finds the docstrings. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Bill Page, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 May 2007 08:53:56 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: indentation on MathAction Dear Bill, @@ -8520,22 +7512,11 @@ In fact, maybe the better version would be to introduce a new enviroment that causes text to be typeset verbatim. But, contrary to the verbatim environment, it should not cause the text to be rendered as a picture... -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 10 May 2007 09:02:34 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: PFE, Complex and INT -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 May 2007 09:02:34 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev - -Dear Waldek, - many thanks for looking into this. Unfortunately, I'm an absolute beginner concerning factorization and number theory, as you probably noticed... @@ -8594,17 +7575,12 @@ therefore... Yes. Maybe, IntegerNumberSystem, though. (I think we want to support factorization in Complex SingleInteger, too. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:22:19 +0200 -To: list From: Frederic Lehobey -Cc: sciences@rmll.info +To: list Subject: Axiom at LSM 2007? +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Dear Axiom developers and users, @@ -8676,7 +7652,7 @@ appreciated. If you are considering coming and submitting a talk, please send us as soon as possible an email at the following address: - sciences@rmll.info + Frederic Lehobey with an English summary of your talk (and a French one if you can, but if not, we will translate the English one). Feel free to send this @@ -8700,98 +7676,11 @@ Thi=E9ry, Nicolas Limare and Simion Pruna (Medicine) already been issued by Simion Pruna in charge of this part. 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Veuillez noter que pour le sous-th=E8me m=E9decine, un appel =E0 -contributions sp=E9cifique a =E9t=E9 diffus=E9 par Simion Pruna en charge= - de -cette partie. Voir : http://atlas.ici.ro/ehto/LSM.htm - - - \start +Date: 12 May 2007 01:16:57 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 351 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 May 2007 01:16:57 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -8826,19 +7715,12 @@ At least, I couldn't find an example, nor could I make up one. :-( -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 01:58:56 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceUWqBGfJeesfwvRFmfDQuChW8GVg== -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf, @@ -8860,19 +7742,12 @@ provide these and similar categorical constructs. I would be most interested in your comments on this approach. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:57:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Bill, @@ -8936,9 +7811,6 @@ sources it is a bad idea to mention "Rep" in an "extend". If this is necessary, then the original (unextended) definition does not have enough functionality. -Ralf - - On 05/12/2007 07:58 AM, Bill Page wrote: > Ralf, > @@ -8959,22 +7831,13 @@ On 05/12/2007 07:58 AM, Bill Page wrote: > provide these and similar categorical constructs. > > I would be most interested in your comments on this approach. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:35:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: categorial rep and per? -Hi Bill, - On http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxLimitsAndColimits @@ -9002,18 +7865,12 @@ relation at all. Mathematically seen, they are objects of different categories. So rep and per would be functors (if anything). But how can such a construction be made functorial. I don't see that. -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:29:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceUc42IdFPr4gCQQMS8YDXOJRfUPQAMXwjQ -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf, @@ -9159,9 +8016,6 @@ functions. You are absolutely right. My example of the use of extend is deficient. I like correct this as soon as I get another hour to spare. - -Regards, -Bill Page. > > On 05/12/2007 07:58 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -9187,17 +8041,10 @@ Bill Page. > > I would be most interested in your comments on this approach. > > - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:13:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceUeNTEh8FhW9VYRCKyjfyyRekDfAANL8xQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: categorial rep and per? On May 12, 2007 5:35 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -9290,22 +8137,12 @@ in RepAndPer that yes rep and per are adjoint functors in a categorical sense. I still think that might be a fruitful point of view. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 May 2007 11:15:00 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Char and DFlo types - -Hi, - The attached patch make depsys buildable with CLISP. string-char is a cltl1 ttype, it is not part of ANSI Lisp. @@ -9493,15 +8330,12 @@ Applied to build-improvements. (defconstant |ArrInit| (the |Arr| nil)) (defconstant |RecordInit| (the |Record| nil)) - - \start Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:14:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, aldor-l , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Bill, @@ -9604,19 +8438,12 @@ instead, one should be able to write x: A := a(p) where p is an element of Record(a: A, b: B, ...); -Ralf - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 May 2007 07:53:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] more character stuff - -Hi, - The previous patch that used the ANSI Lisp character type, in lieu of the non-standard but cltl conformant string-char, misses a few places. Fixed thusly. @@ -9926,15 +8753,12 @@ places. Fixed thusly. ;(define-function 'CVECP #'stringp) - - - \start -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:26:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff +Cc: Camm Maguire > > Hi, @@ -9958,18 +8782,12 @@ enough to work well using character -- we probably should ask Camm if there are any issues making string-char preferable for GCL. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:39:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On Sun, 13 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10017,20 +8835,12 @@ questionable part. Here is my work flow: That sounds reasonable. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 May 2007 08:44:30 -0500 -Cc: +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: vmlisp - -Hi, - I understand the historical need for vmlisp.lisp -- which has now grown out of its original purpose. @@ -10043,16 +8853,12 @@ VMLISP into BOOT, and minimize the size of the current web. Comments? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:01:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On Sun, 13 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10071,15 +8877,11 @@ inappropriate. Camm, do we have good enough support for the ANSI Lisp character type so that we can use it in lie of string-char? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: vmlisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:05:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: vmlisp Cc: list > I understand the historical need for vmlisp.lisp -- which has now @@ -10132,18 +8934,11 @@ I should say stress one point here: simultaneously with moving code around or implementing new functionality we should remove old code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:23:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp -Cc: list On Sun, 13 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10232,17 +9027,11 @@ doing and we can prove/convince each other that removing the old code is the good way forward. I would propose that code removal be subject to discussion so that we have a public record of each others' understanding. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: vmlisp -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10329,21 +9118,10 @@ Agreed. We want to avoid "dead" code and prune it out - it only makes the system harder to understand. Perhaps some of it can be made "live" again but I'll bet a lot of it is dead for good. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:22:33 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: lisp dead code I've been using the method of finding the root of the code tree and @@ -10358,17 +9136,11 @@ will eventually move into bookvol6. Hyperdoc is bookvol7 and graphics is bookvol8. What remains after the tree is walked must either contain a new root or dead code. -Tim - - - - \start +Date: 13 May 2007 16:31:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lisp dead code -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 May 2007 16:31:36 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -10395,14 +9167,10 @@ Lisp. I would encourage people to preserve and improve working Boot codes, and document *why* they are doing what they are doing. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:08:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: sbcl port At: @@ -10473,18 +9241,11 @@ time we execute the test. The is also some clisp code: it is probably not working yet (and it uses paths corresponding to locations on my hard drive...). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: lisp dead code -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:33:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: lisp dead code > I've been using the method of finding the root of the code tree and > walking the branches. At each branch node, the code is collected and @@ -10502,18 +9263,11 @@ Cc: list IIRC bookvol5 also contains dead code. And frankly, concerning readability I find bookvol5 worse than rest of the interpreter. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 13 May 2007 19:04:43 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: lisp dead code -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 May 2007 19:04:43 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -10522,16 +9276,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I have to agree. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 13 May 2007 19:17:26 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: sbcl port -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 May 2007 19:17:26 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -10561,18 +9310,12 @@ Muchnick may be of interest. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=567752.567776 --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: lisp dead code Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:43:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceVtylumYK0NxV5Rh6eqyTitDUC/gAHFtnw -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: lisp dead code +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On May 13, 2007 7:34 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -10620,21 +9363,12 @@ prospect that Boot can now be fully documented and properly maintained, if there is any re-writing to be done, then I think it is in the opposite direction - from Lisp to Boot. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: lisp dead code -To: Bill Page, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis - +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -10711,23 +9445,11 @@ count for much until I show code to back them. Those who do have code, regardless of direction, I wish to say thank you for helping to make Axiom what it is today and what it may become. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 02:05:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 May 2007 02:05:36 -0500 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -10784,17 +9506,11 @@ that to work, there ought to be that the symbols CONSOLE from packages VMLISP (where the function DEFIOSTREAM is defined) and package BOOT (where DEFIOSTREAM is called from) are EQ. They not EQ. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: vmlisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:19:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: vmlisp Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -10924,18 +9640,11 @@ track variables to determine if branch is dead -- usually I do this when the code looks very wrong (say references non existent functions). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:49:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10953,16 +9662,11 @@ latest in effect. At non-toplevel, you have macros.lisp, setvars.boot. Although, the multiplicity should be removed (and that is what I did in my local trees), I don't think my issues are just solved by removing codes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10994,15 +9698,10 @@ Yes. Clearly, it has always looked to me as a temporary hack. Before, removing the dead code, we should understand what was originally intented and why it was not working and prompted the hack. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:57:44 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: common lisp in firefox You can now use standard common lisp to write scripts in firefox: @@ -11015,16 +9714,10 @@ view page source and you can see the scripting language. The home page for the work is at - -Tim - - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:07:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Axiom on clisp I can now report succesful build on clisp. You can find a patch at: @@ -11067,18 +9760,11 @@ same as double-float and allowing numbers comparable to MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT may lead to overflow in double-float computations. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 12:13:13 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom on clisp -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 May 2007 12:13:13 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11091,25 +9777,20 @@ That is a bug in Axiom. The fix is to use double-float everywhere. See my previous postings on the subject. This affect both the interpreter/compile codes, as well as Algebra codes. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: sbcl port -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:24:56 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: sbcl port Le lundi 14 mai 2007 =E0 01:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit [...] -> 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that=20 ->=20 +> 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that +> > relativeApprox(squareDiff8,10**(-3))::Float ->=20 +> > line goes into infinite loop. Does @@ -11123,7 +9804,7 @@ times ago and didn't receive any response. Maybe another report with an example will help (I patch sb-kernel::two-arg-gcd each time I upgrade SBCL). ->=20 +> > Also, currently sbcl spends a lot of time (more than 1 hour) > compiling the function jordanAdmissible? from > AlgebraGivenByStructuralConstants. @@ -11131,20 +9812,11 @@ time I upgrade SBCL). Same thing happens on CMUCL. Compilation time of this function depends greatly on the optimize qualities. -Many thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -To: sciences@rmll.info -Subject: Re: Axiom at LSM 2007? -From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 May 2007 19:48:00 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Frederic Lehobey +Subject: Re: Axiom at LSM 2007? Dear Frederic, @@ -11161,18 +9833,10 @@ it would be quite important for the Axiom project to do some advertising. Please keep us informed, I hope that next year I will be able to come! -All the best, - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:10:58 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Knuth's literate style An interesting reference worth purchasing, checking out from a library, @@ -11206,47 +9870,39 @@ documentation for other programs so we can "compare and constrast". Does anyone know of another example of literate programming? Can we build a biblography of these references? -Tim - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:33:31 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:33:31 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AceWUziiPyHD/ESGTuKmoDzZQOG4PQABdGKw -Cc: list On May 14, 2007 2:11 PM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 -> An interesting reference worth purchasing, checking out from=20 +> +> An interesting reference worth purchasing, checking out from > a library, or stealing from a friend... In any case, it helps > to have looked at it carefully at least once as there are many > features here: ->=20 +> > Knuth, Donald E. "TEX, The Program" Addison Wesley, 1986 > ISBN 0-201-13437-3 ->=20 -> It will help set the baseline for a discussion of literate=20 +> +> It will help set the baseline for a discussion of literate > documentation. This is my current target, modulo using latex- -> compatible chunk syntax to eliminate the WEAVE step.=20 ->=20 +> compatible chunk syntax to eliminate the WEAVE step. +> > The stated plan is to have a literate version of the interpreter, > the compiler, the hyperdoc, the graphics and the algebra. ->=20 +> > Knuth clearly intended that this be a readable document for > someone interested in TEX. Note that the program has survived > and is widely used despite a thousand other ways to typeset. ->=20 -> The fact that TEX lives is interesting. I used another=20 +> +> The fact that TEX lives is interesting. I used another > competing program call SCRIPT, which was the IBM-sponsored > mark-up language. There have been many, many others which > haven't survived. I believe that the documentation (and the > side benefits of cleaning up the program to publish) is vital. ->=20 +> I agree with all that but I think it is relevant to point out that TeX has not really survived the development of the World @@ -11352,23 +10008,13 @@ I wanted to thank you for the effort you've put into Leo. It looks fantastic. I've always though that Literate Programming was a good idea, but the tools were completely un-workable. -- Bob Hustead -Etc. etc. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 May 2007 21:54:52 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > I agree with all that but I think it is relevant to point out that TeX has > not really survived the development of the World Wide Web - and interesting @@ -11403,16 +10049,10 @@ routines. There are excellent sources on the web (especially wikipedia), and certainly documenting the factorization setup (especially the design of the categories) will ease cleaning up those terrible bugs. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:49:58 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Algebra documentation Martin, @@ -11421,16 +10061,10 @@ When I wasn't working on trying to merge the various version I was working on the algebra documentation, in particular, quaternions. See daly.axiom-developer.org/quat.spad.pdf -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:52:16 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Literate documentation Bill, @@ -11440,18 +10074,11 @@ Thanks for the pointers. The key reason Leo does not attract me is that I live in emacs. However, I will download it and try it. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Literate documentation To: Tim Daly, Bill Page -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Literate documentation Does anyone know of something like this movie introducing the SLIME Lisp environment, but for Leo? @@ -11464,11 +10091,6 @@ http://common-lisp.net/movies/slime.torrent for the bittorrent aware. So far I can't really get my brain around Leo :-(. -Cheers, -CY - - - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Bill, @@ -11477,33 +10099,12 @@ CY > > The key reason Leo does not attract me is that I live in emacs. > However, I will download it and try it. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:03:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWYb9eYAo15pltTHuk+rW7Irk7UAADE1zg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style On May 14, 2007 3:55 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -11614,21 +10215,11 @@ provide a good example for newly written code.) How will they obtain appropriate "credit" and peer recognition for this work? What other motivation can we offer them? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:17:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWczxGFINcQRepQfu1vfAHYLo7zgAARabg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly +Subject: RE: Literate documentation On May 14, 2007 6:00 PM C Y wrote: > @@ -11649,20 +10240,11 @@ It's not a movie but you might want to try: http://www.3dtree.com/ev/e/sbooks/leo/sbframetoc_ie.htm -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 May 2007 17:31:50 -0500 -Cc: list - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style If TeX is your gold standard for Axiom, I'm not surprised that Research funding agencies are no longer interested in spending money @@ -11672,17 +10254,11 @@ research funds to Axiom. I use TeX or LaTeX, just like I use Windows these days, only because it is a necessary evil for the immediate constraints. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -To: Bill Page, - Martin Rubey -Cc: list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -11794,25 +10370,11 @@ pathway to me, although it would mean writing at least two papers - one for the Axiom codebase and one for publishing, since those journals generally take copyright... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page -Cc: list - --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -11824,23 +10386,11 @@ Cc: list If you don't mind my asking, why do you say this Gaby? -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -TV dinner still cooling? -Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:07:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -11859,17 +10409,11 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: Is your research funding agency interested in funding a research project that sets TeX as a Gold standard? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 19:37:55 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 14 May 2007 19:37:55 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -11902,25 +10446,10 @@ string-char is currently out of 2.7, but I'll probably put it in as deftyped to character for cltl1 compliance before release. 2.7 appears fully ansi compliant in this regard as far as I can tell. -Take care, - -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:42:30 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Literate documentation Gaby, @@ -11998,21 +10527,11 @@ mathematics than the NSF or NIST management. Thus, the funding issue is WAY above the latex question. - - -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:59:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff - - <54odkn3rjg.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -12027,18 +10546,11 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: That is pretty neat! -Many thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -12060,21 +10572,10 @@ encouraging. I hadn't heard of association with TeX as being a detrimental factor to a project. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:19:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate documentation On Mon, 14 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -12157,16 +10658,11 @@ and for more information: I believe your conclusions are at odd with facts. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:21:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12197,15 +10693,10 @@ But setting TeX as the gold standard: to be blunt, that lacks ambition and vision; I don't see how a research funding agency would be excited funding something like that in 2007. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:01:40 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Literate documentation Gaby, @@ -12226,19 +10717,11 @@ Rosetta, or Doyen cannot be funded under today's machinery as stand-alone projects. At least that's the statement of NSF and NIST program managers. - -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:02:59 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style - -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12304,15 +10787,10 @@ provide the same benefits for mathematical research that the highway system does for national travel. That's just my opinion though - I have no detailed knowledge of the NSF/NIST funding mandates. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:22:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate documentation @@ -12376,18 +10854,11 @@ I'm not questioning what NSF and NIST program managers said. I'm just pointing out at some facts and trying to match those with your statements/conclusions. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:27:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style - - <464906C3.8090001@yahoo.com> -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12397,18 +10868,12 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: Then ask money for the space shuttle. That is what drives you. Not the launch pad -- as necessary means as it might be. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:35:53 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Literate documentation -Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:35:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWgZsSyb0p3HY2Q+mjpJux1sgqoQADlpOw -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On May 14, 2007 7:43 PM Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -12450,16 +10915,11 @@ Sage. http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ack.html http://sage.math.washington.edu - - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 20:37:18 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 May 2007 20:37:18 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -12467,7 +10927,7 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: | > How will they obtain appropriate "credit" and peer recognition | > for this work? What other motivation can we offer them? -|=20 +| | That's a point, actually - has anyone published any papers recently | showcasing work done in/for Axiom? @@ -12479,20 +10939,13 @@ implement a small Axiom library for representing Spad programs (both interpreted and compiled) as typed abstract syntax tree -- which I'm now using in my "toy" Spad compiler written in Spad. That also pressed me to start (earlier than planned) a formal definition of Spad -(not easy). The work will be presented at ISSAC'07.=20 - --- Gaby - - +(not easy). The work will be presented at ISSAC'07. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:47:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWeDYG3fTGENKJQmeaM/6vVJwM/QAGxVPQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style On May 14, 2007 6:36 PM C Y wrote: > ... @@ -12614,24 +11067,13 @@ toward providing a means to "credit" people for their work in a way that means something to both the average university supported researcher and the dedicated open source hobbyist. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:35 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:35 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AceWkYigI2KMmOkIStS2bBPpQlLmdgACjx4w -Cc: list -On May 14, 2007 9:37 PM Gaby wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Jacob Smith, a student of a colleague (Jaakko J=E4rvi), took my > class on symbolic computations last fall. For his class project, > he choosed Algorithmic Differentiation in Axiom. We were able @@ -12641,27 +11083,19 @@ On May 14, 2007 9:37 PM Gaby wrote: > typed abstract syntax tree -- which I'm now using in my "toy" > Spad compiler written in Spad. That also pressed me to start > (earlier than planned) a formal definition of Spad (not easy). -> The work will be presented at ISSAC'07.=20 ->=20 +> The work will be presented at ISSAC'07. +> Excellent! I will be very interested in your publication. Also I am hoping that you and Jacob will be motivated to contribute this work to the Axiom Library and to discuss the work via the axiom-math email list and/or the Axiom wiki. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style To: Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -12833,24 +11267,11 @@ will become possible, and I think it will be important to the future of Axiom. After all, the best way to get new research into the system is to have people do the research using it and contribute it back ;-). -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck -in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -12876,25 +11297,13 @@ Cc: list Indeed, very good news! Darn it, now I'm going to have to figure out some way to get up to ISSAC07... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 May 2007 08:42:50 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > For example, the arXiv accepts other formats then TeX only > > very reluctantly. All the large (math-) publishers use TeX @@ -12962,17 +11371,10 @@ Bounties may help, especially in countries where income is low in comparison with the US or Austria. I think, Russia, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia are prime candidates. I'll advertise Axiom in China this summer. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 May 2007 08:59:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Funding Dear all, @@ -13002,29 +11404,17 @@ Research could be: implement Joris van der Hoevens zero-test for differentially algebraic functions and some others, benchmark and conclude that Joris was right. - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:11:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -Cc: list - - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---8323584-1348317459-1179234673=:29057 On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: | On May 14, 2007 9:37 PM Gaby wrote: -| > ...=20 +| > ... | > Jacob Smith, a student of a colleague (Jaakko J=E4rvi), took my | > class on symbolic computations last fall. For his class project, | > he choosed Algorithmic Differentiation in Axiom. We were able @@ -13034,9 +11424,9 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: | > typed abstract syntax tree -- which I'm now using in my "toy" | > Spad compiler written in Spad. That also pressed me to start | > (earlier than planned) a formal definition of Spad (not easy). -| > The work will be presented at ISSAC'07.=20 -| >=20 -|=20 +| > The work will be presented at ISSAC'07. +| > +| | Excellent! I will be very interested in your publication. Also | I am hoping that you and Jacob will be motivated to contribute | this work to the Axiom Library and to discuss the work via the @@ -13045,17 +11435,11 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: It is my hope that the library will become part of regular Axiom distribution. Jacob will be at ISSAC. --- Gaby ---8323584-1348317459-1179234673=:29057-- - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:47:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list > It's not a movie but you might want to try: > @@ -13120,16 +11504,12 @@ I don't think that I will change too quickly to LEO. Sorry Bill, what are your experiences with LEO? Have you used it for a small project? -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:11:15 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Funding +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin, @@ -13211,20 +11591,12 @@ Alternatively RISC might be able to handle the money for grant funding and use it to "subgrant" to Axiom. I have not explored this funding idea. -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:25:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Funding -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Alternatively RISC might be able to handle the money for grant funding > and use it to "subgrant" to Axiom. I have not explored this funding idea. @@ -13232,15 +11604,10 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis I am not sure that I understand this. Organisational, RISC is an ordinary university institute. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:28:07 -0500 -To: "Dustin Long" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Dustin Long Subject: canvas tag (note: copied to the axiom mailing list) @@ -13273,17 +11640,12 @@ Is your project open source? How is it licensed? Axiom uses the Modified BSD license which basically allows anyone to do whatever they wish with the code. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:43:02 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Funding +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> Alternatively RISC might be able to handle the money for grant funding > and use it to "subgrant" to Axiom. I have not explored this funding idea. @@ -13297,22 +11659,11 @@ institute set up as a consortium arrangement based on industry funding. I don't recall the details. Clearly I misunderstood and clearly I'm wrong. Thanks for the correction. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:14:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceW96c5msF1sy+lT920fGpoDeYMkgAERx0A -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation On May 15, 2007 9:48 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -13437,19 +11788,11 @@ project using Leo yet. What do you say? Are you willing to give it a try with Axiom? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:49:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list >> I used leo-4-4-3-alpha-2 @@ -13539,17 +11882,10 @@ the input language and semantics as small differences. What is LEO's actual realtion to noweb? Can I weave to a .nw file or tangle to get a .nw file. I still haven't come across that information. -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:13:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWch4sKJnjMRHpRPySL5l/xAJKVAAsdAOQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Literate documentation Tim, @@ -13581,21 +11917,11 @@ at address http://www.cwi.nl/~jve/HR Great. Xemacs is integrated into Leo as an external editor plug-in. Let me know if you think I can help. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:32:57 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceXGWlN8IyYS851Sa6bztThy+ErxAACYzcw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation Ralf, @@ -13679,19 +12005,11 @@ I believe noweb is first of all an external format for Leo. To get a noweb file from Leo you use export. Leo does however implement some things that seem motivated by noweb. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Literate documentation -Cc: list >> The key reason Leo does not attract me is that I live in >> emacs. However, I will download it and try it. @@ -13729,16 +12047,11 @@ LEO seems to focus the other way round (program text with comments). But if Axiom code ends looking like that what LeoPy.leo presents, then LEO gets a clear *no* from me. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:59:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list >>> No problem. I think "first impressions" are very important. >> Yes. And for psychology tells that it is hard to change the @@ -13761,17 +12074,11 @@ wouldn't confuse me so much. Yes, yes. Maybe I should further explore LEO's usefulness. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: re: Literate documentation -To: Ralf Hemmecke, - Bill Page -Cc: list --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -13799,24 +12106,11 @@ I am curious about a small, new lisp editor called Able http://phil.nullable.eu/ and whether it could be taught to do what we need for Axiom. Unfortunately it's GPL which can be tricky in Lisp... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:21:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Literate documentation -Cc: list, axiom-legal@nongnu.org > I am curious about a small, new lisp editor called Able > http://phil.nullable.eu/ and whether it could be taught to do what we @@ -13839,19 +12133,11 @@ if I want to program in Axiom? If you had written Aldor or SPAD++ IDE that would count, but still only half interesting, since we need a LP-aware IDE. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Literate documentation To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - - ---- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: +Subject: re: Literate documentation > Another question is why do you believe that I would consider a LISP > IDE if I want to program in Axiom? If you had written Aldor or @@ -13871,22 +12157,10 @@ for Axiom programming. I want to explore the possibility of creating the editor that we would want for Axiom, which would likely combine a Lisp IDE, a SPAD++ IDE, and literate programming. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:18:05 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: lispdoc for those of you who like to use emacs there is a facility @@ -13903,17 +12177,11 @@ be possible to do the same with axiom documentation. see - -t - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:04:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lispdoc -Cc: list see @@ -13933,19 +12201,11 @@ If you have a link to such a conventions page that would help me a bit being able to understand 0.1% more of the lisp code that is floating around here. -Thank you. - -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 16 May 2007 11:20:08 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: lispdoc - <464AC91D.8060803@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 16 May 2007 11:20:08 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -13976,17 +12236,12 @@ Think of a special variable as a global variable. As far as I know this is also a convention, namely for keyword arguments. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: lispdoc Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:18:44 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: lispdoc +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On May 16, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -14056,15 +12311,10 @@ from cl-who (http://weitz.de/cl-who/): (:head (:title "My Homepage")) (:body (:h1 "hello world")))) -Kai - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:09:05 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: lispdoc Ralf, @@ -14117,16 +12367,10 @@ You can see this by: Every symbol has these 5 parts. If the current package is the same as the package field of the symbol then you just use the symbol name. - - -t - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:01:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: ProofGeneral Could someone have a look at @@ -14138,26 +12382,17 @@ http://proofgeneral.inf.ed.ac.uk/eclipse Bill, that is from the answer of Christoph L=FCth whom I asked about the = project http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~cxl/eig/index.html. -You sent me that that link recently in connection with literate=20 +You sent me that that link recently in connection with literate programming in eclipse. -I currently have no time. Is there some stuff in this plugin that is=20 +I currently have no time. Is there some stuff in this plugin that is connected with literate programming? -Ralf - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:40:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: ProofGeneral - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -14224,17 +12459,10 @@ algebra in this sense. In principle I think it would be quite easy to develop plug-ins for both emacs and eclipse based on the example of Proof General. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:01:05 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292" Subject: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) ------=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292 @@ -14267,28 +12495,13 @@ There also doesn't seem to be a repository of programs developed by other users, a "share" directory, if you like, both for seeing examples of Axiom programs, and also to see what's also been developed. --Alasdair - -------=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292 - -I have been following the discussions with some interest, as I am slowly and tentatively dipping my toes into Axiom.

First, I believe strongly that LaTeX is the best tool for the publication of mathematics.  In fact, the best documentation for any CAS that I've seen was the Hyperdvi material which accompanied MuPAD (before it went commercial).  This had the advantages of being lovely to look at, as well as being cross-platform.  As well there was plenty of ASCII documentation to use from a terminal.  HyperDoc is good, but there is a lot missing, in particular examples for every command.  And it's not cross-platform. -

One of the problems in learning Axiom is that it seems more "difficult" than other CAS's, and there's no elementary beginners guide.  There are the books, yes, and wonderful they are, but nobody seems to have produced a smaller "getting started" document, such as exists for every other CAS.  I have programmed in Maple, Mathematica, MuPAD, Maxima, as well as with Matlab and Scilab, and to a certain degree they are all very similar.   So it's just a matter of minor syntactical differences moving from one to the other.  Axiom gives the impression of being the domain of the few, rather than a workhorse for the many.   -This impression is not lessened by reading that Axiom aims to be the "best" CAS in terms of its algorithms and implementation.  This seems to imply that plonkers like me, who are happy if a program just works, should keep away from trying to write code in Axiom. -

There also doesn't seem to be a repository of programs developed by other users, a "share" directory, if you like, both for seeing examples of Axiom programs, and also to see what's also been developed. -

-Alasdair
- -------=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292-- - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 May 2007 19:09:51 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: [...] @@ -14298,20 +12511,13 @@ Cc: list I would think that the directory src/algebra is such a "share" directory. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:06:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Alasdair McAndrew +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Quoting Alasdair McAndrew : +Quoting Alasdair McAndrew: > ... > One of the problems in learning Axiom is that it seems more @@ -14387,11 +12593,6 @@ to contribute to this effort while you learn Axiom. If you have questions about Axiom, there a many people on this list who are willing to help. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -14424,25 +12625,14 @@ PDF here: http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.8.lisp.pdf -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Need a vacation? Get great deals -to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -http://travel.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -To: Alasdair McAndrew , list -Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 May 2007 10:22:41 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) Cc: -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Some of the internal design of MuPad was influenced directly by Axiom, > specifically it's concept of domains (types) and categories. @@ -14512,15 +12702,10 @@ the "share" directory is src/algebra and the stuff in AxiomContributions some day might be integrated into src/algebra. For example, my guessing package moved already. -Martin - - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 May 2007 10:29:55 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: HyperDoc replacement Dear all, @@ -14533,18 +12718,10 @@ better, I need some help: * did anybody try my stuff on MS Windows? Success, failure? -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:02:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceYwJobf7byaJSSS/aLmRGDAMy7LwABIpYg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: FW: [leo - Help] RE: Importing noweb project I recently posted some messages concerning Leo and Axiom to the @@ -14625,22 +12802,10 @@ forums when I do something on the wiki. Such questions are welcome. Please start a new thread for them. -Edward - -______________________________________________________________________ -You are receiving this email because you elected to monitor this forum. -To stop monitoring this forum, login to SourceForge.net and visit: -https://sourceforge.net/forum/unmonitor.php?forum_id=10227 - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:23:17 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: MathEdit? Has anyone looked at this? @@ -14651,55 +12816,43 @@ http://wme.cs.kent.edu/mathedit/ I wonder if this work would be of interest to Axiom? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:57:54 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: mathEdit I cannot reach that website or file. Has anyone been successful? -Tim - - - - \start -Subject: Re: sbcl port -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:58:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: sbcl port Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Le lundi 14 mai 2007 ? 01:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 -> > 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that=20 -> >=20 +> +> > 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that +> > > > relativeApprox(squareDiff8,10**(-3))::Float -> >=20 +> > > > line goes into infinite loop. ->=20 +> > Does ->=20 +> > )lis (gcd 8 most-negative-fixnum) ->=20 +> > return the gcd ? ->=20 +> > If not it's a bug in SBCL (x86_64). I reported it some > times ago and didn't receive any response. Maybe another > report with an example will help (I patch sb-kernel::two-arg-gcd each > time I upgrade SBCL). ->=20 +> Thanks for info. Yes, as of 1.0.4 declarations in two-arg-gcd are blatantly wrong. I must say that it is strange that the code works @@ -14709,25 +12862,16 @@ still there... I remeber that you wrote about SBCL bug, but I supected that you mean that SBCL miscompiles some parts of AXIOM -- build log suggests -that some routines are miscompiled.=20 +that some routines are miscompiled. After patching two-arg-gcd it seems that my private version passes all tests (modulo missing writablep function and fake sockets). - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: sbcl port -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -14746,23 +12890,11 @@ working patch will be likely to catch their attention. Hmm. Do you suspect more sbcl bugs? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:49:46 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list > I believe noweb is first of all an external format for Leo. > To get a noweb file from Leo you use export. Leo does however @@ -14815,18 +12947,11 @@ to use LEO in order to produce an article+code about some mathematical idea. LEO is, in my eyes, very code focused. Am I wrong? -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:12:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceZdPPdEplwD8HzRP62ZfgZQjFaXQAIQ6Gw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation Ralf, @@ -14939,20 +13064,11 @@ I think you are right. It is apparently viewed by many people who use it as a kind of high level integrated development environment (IDE) that supports literature programming. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:46:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list Hi Bill, @@ -15085,20 +13201,11 @@ powerful as Eclipse+TeXmacs+LEO+(Emacs). I think one of my next tasks is to investigate what TeXmacs misses. -Good night - -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Literate documentation -To: Bill Page, - Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -15177,23 +13284,10 @@ integrated with a powerful CAS. My opinion is "hyperlinked research paper". But that's one opinion. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:33:47 -0400 -From: Dustin Long +From: Dustin Long To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <464E45EB.20002@stevens.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: canvas tag Tim Daly wrote: @@ -15235,14 +13329,10 @@ Kamen Lisp is currently offered under the MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license. I'm not too familiar with the Modified BSD, but I believe using the MPL will allow the two to be combined. -Dustin - - - \start -To: list Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 03:58:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: boot notes NAG cdrom contains file called boot.notes describing Shoe. Another @@ -15260,18 +13350,11 @@ I must say that IMHO this file would loose much of its utility if somebody tried to chunkify it with corresponding code, so probably the best place for it is doc subdirectory. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: list Subject: Re: MathEdit? -To: Axiom-Developer Sorry about yesterday, these links work for me now. @@ -15286,33 +13369,12 @@ CY > http://wme.cs.kent.edu/mathedit/ > > I wonder if this work would be of interest to Axiom? -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - \start +Date: 18 May 2007 21:25:40 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: boot notes -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 May 2007 21:25:40 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15336,18 +13398,12 @@ Please could you put it on the build-improvement branches too? I've very short and outdated material about Shoe on the web, and I would be interested to complete it. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:24:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceZptfze4OQepqdQ+aKg2Zt/DO2owAFJxqA -Cc: edreamleo@charter.net, list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation +Cc: Edward Ream Ralf, @@ -15643,34 +13699,20 @@ http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyxWithRThroughSweave Maybe what you want is something like Leo+Lyx? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 23:52:27 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Linus on Git http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 Linux Torvalds talks about Git at Google. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:28:55 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Leo Well, I've looked at and tried Leo. @@ -15705,16 +13747,10 @@ like it to be and is not a good example yet. But I leave the debate about Leo to everyone else. -Tim - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 May 2007 12:44:45 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: fixing SPAD Dear Gaby & Waldek, @@ -15738,19 +13774,12 @@ and only. (Please check this, I'm not entirely sure.) Do you think it would be difficult to fix this? I do not see a workaround, unfortunately. -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:34:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: edreamleo@charter.net, list +Cc: Edward Ream >> I know that the "clone" idea is powerful. Without clones LEO >> is just a fancy way of showing the table of contents and @@ -15980,18 +14009,12 @@ Let's see how this works out in our Axiom experiment. ;-) Oh thanks for that hint and yet another evaluation work. ;-) -Ciao -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: fixing SPAD -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:01:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Gaby & Waldek, @@ -16034,18 +14057,12 @@ I belive that we should add to Complex something like the snippet below error "Field given to Complex already contains square root of -1" --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 19 May 2007 16:19:58 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 19 May 2007 16:19:58 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -16066,18 +14083,12 @@ linear combinations of 1 and %i, where %i^2 = 1. (That's also roughly what the doc says.) Do you see a different interpretation for the 'Complex' constructor? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:31:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16118,18 +14129,12 @@ a good way forward: Therefore, I believe this is an issue that should be given thought. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 May 2007 16:47:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16158,20 +14163,12 @@ is irreducible in F. I guess, your answer (whether it would be "easy"), is "no"... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:09:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD